Obama Signs Tobacco Bill - Goodbye Cloves (possibly Shisha?)

[yashman19]

Haven't posted in a very long time, but I'm still smoking hookah daily, and when I read about this article, thought I would stop back by the ol' forum and see what people are saying about the bill.

The article in question: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/0...nstobacco-bill/

Clove cigarettes are officially history. So are "light" cigarettes and your favorite Marlboro billboard next to KinderCare.

Monday in the Rose Garden, President Obama signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, a bill that gives the Food and Drug Administration the responsibility to regulate tobacco products.

Before signing the bill, Obama said that tobacco-related illnesses are the leading cause of preventable death in the United States, and he detailed all the ways that kids get hooked on smokes before they turn 18. He ought to know, he said, because "I was one of these teenagers, so I know how difficult it can be to break this habit when it's been with you for a long time."

Is the prez still taking drags while nobody's looking? He wouldn't say, but he did say what's in the new law:

* FDA regulations will supersede weaker state laws, a major expansion of federal power;
* The bill bans the words "light" or "mild" in tobacco advertising, as well as any words that give the impression that one cigarette is less dangerous than another;
* It bans flavored tobacco products, like clove or cappuccino cigarettes (yes, they exist);
* It requires companies to submit a complete list of ingredients in the tobacco, paper, filter and other components, and allows the FDA to require the removal of any additive it says is dangerous;
* It requires this list of ingredients to be placed on all labels, which will itemize chemicals added to tobacco products;
* It restricts tobacco marketing to children, such as tobacco billboards near schools.

Finally, the legislation applies to all tobacco products, not just cigarettes, and it passes all of the additional costs of new regulations back to the tobacco companies.

Before we consign the tobacco bill to history, however, let's take a quick look back at the House floor debate that gave us the words from Republican Steve Buyer of Indiana, never-before spoken in the history of Congress: "Go ahead and you smoke your lettuce!"

Now I understand shisha isn't directly mentioned in the article, but a few things caught my eye that made me wonder if shisha might not be far off in the future for the chopping block.

"It bans flavored tobacco products, like clove or cappuccino cigarettes (yes, they exist);" specifically.

I'll be the first to admit I really don't know politics very much. But when something arises that could influence something I partake in, I try to do some reading. Maybe someone else more fluent in these types of things can elaborate and give their thoughts on what they think might be in store for us smokers in the future, or if you think shisha will be exempt from this bill.

I checked to see if this is a re-post, if it is please forgive me, like I said I haven't been around in a while. Howdy to all the familiar faces!

[Zinite]

The consensus is that shisha falls under pipe tobacco and will not be legislated against.

[HellCat]

Fuck that shit!

Maybe the government can stay the FUCK OUT OF OUR BUSINESS??? It is our fucking choice if we want to smoke shisha!

Right?

[yashman19]

Now I don't want people to think I'm posting an article that's saying shisha IS being banned along with cloves/flavored ciggs, I honestly don't know. Just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention as it seemed to be in the same ballpark, and I was hoping to hear other people's views on what they think this might mean for hookah related smoking, so don't get too worked up so soon Hellcat

[HellCat]

Another thing...

Why would they ban flavored tobacco, and not tobacco itself,,, what is the fucking difference???!

[ColibriDon]

Don't you watch TV?!

Everyone knows Cigarette companies ride around in ice cream trucks to lure children and when they ask for blueberry ice cream, they say "Well, we don't really have ice cream but we do have these blueberry flavored cigarettes. Try one. "

Obama is a hero to the children!

...amirite?

[yashman19]

Another thing...

Why would they ban flavored tobacco, and not tobacco itself,,, what is the fucking difference???!

It's my understanding that they are trying to get rid of flavored stuff because they think a non-smoking young adult will be more inclined to try a flavored cigg as apposed to a regular cigg, hence the removal of smoking banners/billboards located around schools.

I don't know about most everyone here, but how often do you see adults 30+ smoking cloves, and then how many high school kids do you see? I don't want to generalize too much, but that was my understanding from the intent of this bill, save the kiddies!

[twoapplesplease]

Ahh I don't really care if they ban the flavored stuff or not.I'll sure miss two apples nakhla.Yea the flavored stuffs including shisha is attracting alot of youths with over candied fruit flavored shisha.Theres been a huge exposion of hookah bars around colleges.Personally I think a person should be able to smoke what ever he or she wants.But all the flavorings and sugars mask whats really there.
Just means we'll have to man up and smoke Zagoul.

[twoapplesplease]

Ahh I don't really care if they ban the flavored stuff or not.I'll sure miss two apples nakhla.Yea the flavored stuffs including shisha is attracting alot of youths with over candied fruit flavored shisha.Theres been a huge exposion of hookah bars around colleges.Personally I think a person should be able to smoke what ever he or she wants.But all the flavorings and sugars mask whats really there.
Just means we'll have to man up and smoke Zagoul.

[vickstephanie]

I just heard about this today when I went to a tobacco store in Boston, they had all these signs up saying the cloves would be gone in Sept! They told me it was just in MA but apparently it's nationwide, ugh. I'm probably going to order as many cartons of Djarum Lights (DOUBLE BAN on my cigarettes...flavored and light! whooo) that I can afford after I work next weekend

[HellCat]

But why ban tobbacco altogether? It is legal, and ALCHOHOL is much worse b/c it actually IMPAIRS people. omfg

[jellywerker]

Cloves are actually a little worse than normal cigarettes at least from my limited experience (personal and friends). They have nicotine still (thus addiction potential, they aren't 100% clove) and mimic the cigarette smoking action, but because of the eugenol in them, they numb your throat allowing you to take larger puffs/ignore the heat and roughness and can really let you hurt your throat and lungs. I had a friend cough up blood after smoking a few a day for about a week.

Edit: Also, they are banning the word "lite" on tabacco products, not light cigs themselves. You will still be able to get those but they will have to call them something else, fluffy or airy or thin or weak or something. I am sure they will figure it out. The only good I see in this bill to be honest is the fact that cig companies have to say everything that they treaty the tobacco with. Edited August 25, 2009 by jellywerker

[Tom1]

No tobacco here, just a nice bowl of molasses I'm smoking.

Pretty soon the cops will hassle people smoking in public by asking if they're smoking flavored tobacco. =/

Seriously though, I don't think the FDA will come after shisha, kids can't setup a hookah behind a middle school and have it.

[digitalhifi]

Well this is the list of allowed ingredients in cigarettes as stated by the bill:
* Acetanisole
* Acetic Acid
* Acetoin
* Acetophenone
* 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
* 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
* 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
* Acetylpyrazine
* 2-Acetylpyridine
* 3-Acetylpyridine
* 2-Acetylthiazole
* Aconitic Acid
* dl-Alanine
* Alfalfa Extract
* Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
* Allyl Hexanoate
* Allyl Ionone
* Almond Bitter Oil
* Ambergris Tincture
* Ammonia
* Ammonium Bicarbonate
* Ammonium Hydroxide
* Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
* Ammonium Sulfide
* Amyl Alcohol
* Amyl Butyrate
* Amyl Formate
* Amyl Octanoate
* alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
* Amyris Oil
* trans-Anethole
* Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
* Anise
* Anise Star, Extract and Oils
* Anisyl Acetate
* Anisyl Alcohol
* Anisyl Formate
* Anisyl Phenylacetate
* Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
* Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
* 1-Arginine
* Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
* Ascorbic Acid
* 1-Asparagine Monohydrate
* 1-Aspartic Acid
* Balsam Peru and Oil
* Basil Oil
* Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
* Beeswax White
* Beet Juice Concentrate
* Benzaldehyde
* Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
* Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
* Benzoin Resin
* Benzophenone
* Benzyl Alcohol
* Benzyl Benzoate
* Benzyl Butyrate
* Benzyl Cinnamate
* Benzyl Propionate
* Benzyl Salicylate
* Bergamot Oil
* Bisabolene
* Black Currant Buds Absolute
* Borneol
* Bornyl Acetate
* Buchu Leaf Oil
* 1,3-Butanediol
* 2,3-Butanedione
* 1-Butanol
* 2-Butanone
* 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
* Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
* Butyl Acetate
* Butyl Butyrate
* Butyl Butyryl Lactate
* Butyl Isovalerate
* Butyl Phenylacetate
* Butyl Undecylenate
* 3-Butylidenephthalide
* Butyric Acid]
* Cadinene
* Caffeine
* Calcium Carbonate
* Camphene
* Cananga Oil
* Capsicum Oleoresin
* Caramel Color
* Caraway Oil
* Carbon Dioxide
* Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
* Carob Bean and Extract
* beta-Carotene
* Carrot Oil
* Carvacrol
* 4-Carvomenthenol
* 1-Carvone
* beta-Caryophyllene
* beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
* Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
* Cassia Bark Oil
* Cassie Absolute and Oil
* Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
* Cedar Leaf Oil
* Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
* Cedrol
* Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
* Cellulose Fiber
* Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
* Chicory Extract
* Chocolate
* Cinnamaldehyde
* Cinnamic Acid
* Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
* Cinnamyl Acetate
* Cinnamyl Alcohol
* Cinnamyl Cinnamate
* Cinnamyl Isovalerate
* Cinnamyl Propionate
* Citral
* Citric Acid
* Citronella Oil
* dl-Citronellol
* Citronellyl Butyrate
* itronellyl Isobutyrate
* Civet Absolute
* Clary Oil
* Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
* Cocoa
* Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
* Coconut Oil
* Coffee
* Cognac White and Green Oil
* Copaiba Oil
* Coriander Extract and Oil
* Corn Oil
* Corn Silk
* Costus Root Oil
* Cubeb Oil
* Cuminaldehyde
* para-Cymene
* 1-Cysteine
* Dandelion Root Solid Extract
* Davana Oil
* 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
* delta-Decalactone
* gamma-Decalactone
* Decanal
* Decanoic Acid
* 1-Decanol
* 2-Decenal
* Dehydromenthofurolactone
* Diethyl Malonate
* Diethyl Sebacate
* 2,3-Diethylpyrazine
* Dihydro Anethole
* 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
* Dill Seed Oil and Extract
* meta-Dimethoxybenzene
* para-Dimethoxybenzene
* 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
* Dimethyl Succinate
* 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione
* 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
* 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
* 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One
* 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One
* 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
* 2,4 Dimethylacetophenone
* alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
* alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
* alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
* 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
* 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
* 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
* Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
* delta-Dodecalactone
* gamma-Dodecalactone
* para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
* Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
* Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
* Ethyl Acetate
* Ethyl Acetoacetate
* Ethyl Alcohol
* Ethyl Benzoate
* Ethyl Butyrate
* Ethyl Cinnamate
* Ethyl Decanoate
* Ethyl Fenchol
* Ethyl Furoate
* Ethyl Heptanoate
* Ethyl Hexanoate
* Ethyl Isovalerate
* Ethyl Lactate
* Ethyl Laurate
* Ethyl Levulinate
* Ethyl Maltol
* Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
* Ethyl Myristate
* Ethyl Nonanoate
* Ethyl Octadecanoate
* Ethyl Octanoate
* Ethyl Oleate
* Ethyl Palmitate
* Ethyl Phenylacetate
* Ethyl Propionate
* Ethyl Salicylate
* Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
* Ethyl Valerate
* Ethyl Vanillin
* 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
* 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
* 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
* 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone
* 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
* 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
* 4-Ethylguaiacol
* para-Ethylphenol
* 3-Ethylpyridine
* Eucalyptol
* Farnesol
* D-Fenchone
* Fennel Sweet Oil
* Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
* Fig Juice Concentrate
* Food Starch Modified
* Furfuryl Mercaptan
* 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
* Galbanum Oil
* Genet Absolute
* Gentian Root Extract
* Geraniol
* Geranium Rose Oil
* Geranyl Acetate
* Geranyl Butyrate
* Geranyl Formate
* Geranyl Isovalerate
* Geranyl Phenylacetate
* Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
* 1-Glutamic Acid
* 1-Glutamine
* Glycerol
* Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
* Grape Juice Concentrate
* Guaiac Wood Oil
* Guaiacol
* Guar Gum
* 2,4-Heptadienal
* gamma-Heptalactone
* Heptanoic Acid
* 2-Heptanone
* 3-Hepten-2-One
* 2-Hepten-4-One
* 4-Heptenal
* trans -2-Heptenal
* Heptyl Acetate
* omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
* gamma-Hexalactone
* Hexanal
* Hexanoic Acid
* 2-Hexen-1-Ol
* 3-Hexen-1-Ol
* cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
* 2-Hexenal
* 3-Hexenoic Acid
* trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
* cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
* Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
* Hexyl Acetate
* Hexyl Alcohol
* Hexyl Phenylacetate
* 1-Histidine
* Honey
* Hops Oil
* Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
* Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
* 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone
* 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
* 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
* 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
* 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
* 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
* Hydroxycitronellal
* 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
* 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
* Hyssop Oil
* Immortelle Absolute and Extract
* alpha-Ionone
* beta-Ionone
* alpha-Irone
* Isoamyl Acetate
* Isoamyl Benzoate
* Isoamyl Butyrate
* Isoamyl Cinnamate
* Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate
* Isoamyl Isovalerate
* Isoamyl Octanoate
* Isoamyl Phenylacetate
* Isobornyl Acetate
* Isobutyl Acetate
* Isobutyl Alcohol
* Isobutyl Cinnamate
* Isobutyl Phenylacetate
* Isobutyl Salicylate
* 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
* alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
* Isobutyraldehyde
* Isobutyric Acid
* d,l-Isoleucine
* alpha-Isomethylionone
* 2-Isopropylphenol
* Isovaleric Acid
* Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
* Kola Nut Extract
* Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
* Lactic Acid
* Lauric Acid
* Lauric Aldehyde
* Lavandin Oil
* Lavender Oil
* Lemon Oil and Extract
* Lemongrass Oil
* 1-Leucine
* Levulinic Acid
* Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder
* Lime Oil
* Linalool
* Linalool Oxide
* Linalyl Acetate
* Linden Flowers
* Lovage Oil And Extract
* 1-Lysine]
* Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
* Magnesium Carbonate
* Malic Acid
* Malt and Malt Extract
* Maltodextrin
* Maltol
* Maltyl Isobutyrate
* Mandarin Oil
* Maple Syrup and Concentrate
* Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
* para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
* Menthol
* Menthone
* Menthyl Acetate
* dl-Methionine
* Methoprene
* 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
* 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
* para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
* 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
* 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
* 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
* Methoxypyrazine
* Methyl 2-Furoate
* Methyl 2-Octynoate
* Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
* Methyl Anisate
* Methyl Anthranilate
* Methyl Benzoate
* Methyl Cinnamate
* Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
* Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
* Methyl Isovalerate
* Methyl Linoleate (48%)
* Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
* Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
* Methyl Nicotinate
* Methyl Phenylacetate
* Methyl Salicylate
* Methyl Sulfide
* 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
* 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
* 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
* 5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde
* 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
* 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
* 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
* 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
* 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
* 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
* 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
* 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
* 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
* Methyl-alpha-Ionone
* Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
* 4-Methylacetophenone
* para-Methylanisole
* alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
* alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
* 2-Methylbutyraldehyde
* 3-Methylbutyraldehyde
* 2-Methylbutyric Acid
* alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
* Methylcyclopentenolone
* 2-Methylheptanoic Acid
* 2-Methylhexanoic Acid
* 3-Methylpentanoic Acid
* 4-Methylpentanoic Acid
* 2-Methylpyrazine
* 5-Methylquinoxaline
* 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
* (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)
* 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde
* Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate
* 2-Methylvaleric Acid
* Mimosa Absolute and Extract
* Molasses Extract and Tincture
* Mountain Maple Solid Extract
* Mullein Flowers
* Myristaldehyde
* Myristic Acid
* Myrrh Oil
* beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
* Nerol
* Neroli Bigarde Oil
* Nerolidol
* Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal
* 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol
* gamma-Nonalactone
* Nonanal
* Nonanoic Acid
* Nonanone
* trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol
* 2-Nonenal
* Nonyl Acetate
* Nutmeg Powder and Oil
* Oak Chips Extract and Oil
* Oak Moss Absolute
* 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
* delta-Octalactone
* gamma-Octalactone
* Octanal
* Octanoic Acid
* 1-Octanol
* 2-Octanone
* 3-Octen-2-One
* 1-Octen-3-Ol
* 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate
* 2-Octenal
* Octyl Isobutyrate
* Oleic Acid
* Olibanum Oil
* Opoponax Oil And Gum
* Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
* Orange Oil and Extract
* Origanum Oil
* Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract
* Palmarosa Oil
* Palmitic Acid
* Parsley Seed Oil
* Patchouli Oil
* omega-Pentadecalactone
* 2,3-Pentanedione
* 2-Pentanone
* 4-Pentenoic Acid
* 2-Pentylpyridine
* Pepper Oil, Black And White
* Peppermint Oil
* Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
* Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
* alpha-Phellandrene
* 2-Phenenthyl Acetate
* Phenenthyl Alcohol
* Phenethyl Butyrate
* Phenethyl Cinnamate
* Phenethyl Isobutyrate
* Phenethyl Isovalerate
* Phenethyl Phenylacetate
* Phenethyl Salicylate
* 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol
* 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol
* 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal
* 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol
* 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One
* Phenylacetaldehyde
* Phenylacetic Acid
* 1-Phenylalanine
* 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde
* 3-Phenylpropionic Acid
* 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate
* 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate
* 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran
* Phosphoric Acid
* Pimenta Leaf Oil
* Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
* Pineapple Juice Concentrate
* alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene
* D-Piperitone
* Piperonal
* Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
* Plum Juice
* Potassium Sorbate
* 1-Proline
* Propenylguaethol
* Propionic Acid
* Propyl Acetate
* Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate
* Propylene Glycol
* 3-Propylidenephthalide
* Prune Juice and Concentrate
* Pyridine
* Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
* Pyrrole
* Pyruvic Acid
* Raisin Juice Concentrate
* Rhodinol
* Rose Absolute and Oil
* Rosemary Oil
* Rum
* Rum Ether
* Rye Extract
* Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin
* Salicylaldehyde
* Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
* Sclareolide
* Skatole
* Smoke Flavor
* Snakeroot Oil
* Sodium Acetate
* Sodium Benzoate
* Sodium Bicarbonate
* Sodium Carbonate
* Sodium Chloride
* Sodium Citrate
* Sodium Hydroxide
* Solanone
* Spearmint Oil
* Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
* Sucrose Octaacetate
* Sugar Alcohols
* Sugars
* Tagetes Oil
* Tannic Acid
* Tartaric Acid
* Tea Leaf and Absolute
* alpha-Terpineol
* Terpinolene
* Terpinyl Acetate
* 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline
* 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane
* 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
* 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine
* Thiamine Hydrochloride
* Thiazole
* 1-Threonine
* Thyme Oil, White and Red
* Thymol
* Tobacco Extracts
* Tochopherols (mixed)
* Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
* Tolualdehydes
* para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate
* para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde
* para-Tolyl Acetate
* para-Tolyl Isobutyrate
* para-Tolyl Phenylacetate
* Triacetin
* 2-Tridecanone
* 2-Tridecenal
* Triethyl Citrate
* 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol
* para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol
* 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One
* 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione
* 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan
* 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
* 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone
* 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine
* 1-Tyrosine
* delta-Undercalactone
* gamma-Undecalactone
* Undecanal
* 2-Undecanone, 1
* 0-Undecenal
* Urea
* Valencene
* Valeraldehyde
* Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
* Valeric Acid
* gamma-Valerolactone
* Valine
* Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
* Vanillin
* Veratraldehyde
* Vetiver Oil
* Vinegar
* Violet Leaf Absolute
* Walnut Hull Extract
* Water
* Wheat Extract And Flour
* Wild Cherry Bark Extract
* Wine and Wine Sherry
* Xanthan Gum
* 3,4-Xylenol
* Yeast

You'll notice, glycerol, honey and many common extracts of hookah flavors are included. So not to worry, even if this bill transfers over to all forms of tobacco, we'll be pretty okay. We could even make some new ones, like yeast...yum! Edited August 25, 2009 by digitalhifi

[Tom1]

Well this is the list of allowed ingredients in cigarettes as stated by the bill:


You'll notice, glycerol, honey and many common extracts of hookah flavors are included. So not to worry, even if this bill transfers over to all forms of tobacco, we'll be pretty okay. We could even make some new ones, like yeast...yum!

Good observation even if you did destroy the page with that list. If worse comes to worse, shisha companys could just sell the unflavored shisha and the flavoring separately.

[Vampy6997]

As per a website I cannot link due to affiliation (and these numbers are annual deaths):

Tobacco....................................340,000 to 395,000
Alcohol (not includeing 50% of all highway
deaths and 65% of all murders).....125,000+

Honestly, kicking out flavored stuff won't alter those numbers enough. Alcohol is 50% as bad (there was another stat that said it was 100,00 direct, and 100,000 indirect deaths due to alcohol...no specific number is given on that site though..at least, not a final #). I'd hate to see everything banned. This country would go to chaos, for sure. So far, it's only flavored tobacco that isn't pipe tobacco though....which is a good thing. If we fly under the radar, we might avoid issues in the long run....or at least for a lil while.

[yashman19]

If shisha is flying under the radar at the moment, hopefully no one will rat us out and say "well what about hookah tobacco, its fruity!?"

[kdkhookah]

Cloves are actually a little worse than normal cigarettes at least from my limited experience (personal and friends). They have nicotine still (thus addiction potential, they aren't 100% clove) and mimic the cigarette smoking action, but because of the eugenol in them, they numb your throat allowing you to take larger puffs/ignore the heat and roughness and can really let you hurt your throat and lungs. I had a friend cough up blood after smoking a few a day for about a week.

Personally I feel like that was that was your friend's personal reaction. I have been smoking cloves for years without any such effect. I have gotten nauseous before, but I believe that was the combination of 90 degree heat and inhaling a burning stick. Yeah, smart I know. I know about 9 others that smoke clove, and none have had that serious of a reaction. But saying one is worse than the other, I don't know. It's like the hookah vs. cigarette debate. They are both bad for you, but we make our own choices. Well until the government makes them for us.

Pretty soon the cops will hassle people smoking in public by asking if they're smoking flavored tobacco. =/

Where I live, and I'm sure a few others here, I will already get hassled, even fined, for smoking in public.

As far as the ban I feel like it's pointless. How many mommys and daddys that kids steal their cigarettes from smoke cloves? Now compare that to how many are smoking regular and menthol, which neither are affected by the ban. What do you think is the most common type of cigarette in a kids hand? Most likely not a flavored one.

And personally, I can still smoke my clove cigarettes if I want after the ban. After the tobacco tax and they went up to around 8 dollars a pack where I live, yeah I know they are more in other places, I started rolling my own clove cigarettes, which happen to taste better.

Don't get me wrong. I feel like there is a lot of good coming out of this bill as well. But I also feel like a lot was added in. For example, I mean who's not going to sign a bill that says baby killing is wrong, so at the same time other politicians slip in other things into the bill that they want passed.

If hookah tobacco becomes affected by this bill, there will be work a rounds. Selling the tobacco and the flavoring separately is one that comes to mind. I feel like the hookah community would persevere. Because there is no hookah community with out flavored tobacco.

Now let's all join hands and sing, "We shall not, we shall not be moved. We shall not, we shall not be moved. Just like a tree that's standing by the water side, we shall not be moved."

[hookah hippie]

the government is slowly taking over our lives

O well I should stay out of this until It becomes a political debate

[jellywerker]

We could just call it racist. That would stop it in its tracks.

@kdk: maybe it was just his reaction, I kinda liked them but I just don't like smoking cigarette type things. However, I would be up for trying a home rolled clove cig. How do you do yours?

[kdkhookah]

@kdk: maybe it was just his reaction, I kinda liked them but I just don't like smoking cigarette type things. However, I would be up for trying a home rolled clove cig. How do you do yours?

Just go to a grocery store and go the spice aisle. Buy a container of whole cloves. Then either use a manual dicer or hand cut them. You want them a lot smaller but at the same time not like a fine powder. Then just mix them into your rolling tobacco when rolling a cigarette.

I personally use American Spirit tobacco, supposedly chemical free. I tried Drum, which is fine on it's own, but doesn't mix well with clove and also is horrible with a filter. If you want more of a Djarum taste, you may have to order some Indian tobacco unless you can actually find it somewhere.

If you want a filter on your cigarette, I would suggest getting a little cigarette making machine. It cost like 5 bucks and the empty cigarette tubes are like $2.00 for two hundred. This helps if you don't know how or don't want to take the time to learn how to hand roll a cigarette. But it is a way to look super cool in front of your friends before you slowly kill yourself and they tell you to go away cause they can't stand cigarette smoke. But that's okay cause you can easily make new friends by standing around hills. Smokers can usually be spotted "making camp" halfway up the hill to stop and rest with a smoke break.

[jellywerker]

Thank you, I can hand roll, and I'm not into getting the stuff for lots of them, but I have a friend with some American Spirit rolling tobacco, I'll have to chop some cloves and try it.

Very funny about the smokers haha.

[indian_villager]

Well shisha is flying under the radar. When it comes under heat what do you as the smoker plan on doing about it?

[Twisted]

They need to focus more of their energy on obesity, tbh. More and more kids are becoming fat.

[liquidglass]

Well personally i don't see it affecting shisha any time soon, especially because of the whole Nak. was a govt. backed idea. And plus I think they are going after the most harmful/most convenient types of tobacco. Where as we all know hookah is not the most convenient form of smoking. It's not as easy to say hey I want to smoke hookah between classes. Just my opinion though.

To be very honest I'm all for natural selection, if people chose to smoke chemicals, let them. It won't make them crash into someone of the freeway.

But I do see this as a predecessor to helping the Universal Health Care not having to take care of so many people that get cancer from ciggs. But also once this takes place I see a black market opportunity for the ciggs that will be banned. Much like cuban cigars.