wayne

Hi again, I would imagine if any Member read the below they would resize that a full blanket ban is not the way to go, please note Spain, and that all other bans backfire in every way. New Zealand smoke more after the ban http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0612/S00091.htm Italians smoking more despite national ban http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/2...y-smoking-.html Spain: Spaniards knuckle under to new smoking curbs and there are 1/2 million less smoking http://www.tobacco.org/news/239087.html New York has a bar smoking ban, so Smoker Numbers Rise, http://www.nysun.com/article/39753 Ireland Has Almost 20 000 More Smokers after the ban, http://freedom2choose.co.uk/news1.php?id=39 Smoking rates up in Scotland, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...cnsmoking01.xml Children are victims of smoking ban, says study, <A href="http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=663&id=341192007" target=_blank><I>

Hi there all, I have posted here before only once or twice; http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?showt...84&hl=wayne As you know more and more Country's are trying to stop us smoking in public, that is why our group is taking the UK Government to the High Courts, we ask only for separate smoking rooms with ventilation and filtration, if we win, and with all the studies we have against passive smoke, and we have the UK Law freedom act which we are acting on, we are very confident we will, and if we win it will must have an effect on all other Country. We have made contact with the organizer of the Shisha Bar campaign here in the UK, which hit the news last week. We are getting together early next week to try and pool resources as he has also instructed council to go for a JR on their behalf. He had never heard of us and was very excited by the prospect of fighting this together. I hate when people ask me for a donation on the Internet, but we are all in this together and think everyone should help, if you feel the other way about this, and do not want to help, I take that as your judgment and honers you for that, we have the best solicitors in the Country, http://www.ormerods.co.uk/index.htm Please have a look around our site, and join if you like. Wayne

QUOTE (mushrat @ Dec 29 2006, 07:42 PM) QUOTE (wayne @ Dec 26 2006, 08:27 PM) QUOTE (mushrat @ Dec 24 2006, 10:54 PM) Good of you to join us wyane... You smoke hookah by any chance? Hi Mushrat, No I never have, but "always" wanted to, I just must try in the new year. Wayne That's cool. Remember this is a Hookah forum..... Thank you for the PM. Yes your right there Mushrat, but all the Hookah bars in the UK will have too cose down, thats why I shink we should all stick together, and it's as you know not just the UK, it's lots of other places, so if we can stop this one there will be a chance for all. respect you for what each person thinks of this, but it’s more than just about the smoking ban, it’s about freedom of choose, the Government is trying to rule us, next you will have to smoke 10 yards from the pub, and not be allowed to smoke in parks, this is all ready happening in some stats in America, we need to stop it now, next it will be drink, then they will un-relax the cannabis laws again, please see the fill below last link, this country is turning into a communist country, with id cards on the way, cameras every where. This email is being circulated to all who have pledged a donation, Please please please a £1, £10, £50, or even a £1000000, come on people let’s stop this ban and put one over on the Government Anyone who wants to join our forum please do, www.thebigdebate.org As you may all ready know we have consulted with solicitors for the Judicial Review, Jaswinder Gill of Ormerods. "Mr Gill is a Judicial Review specialist who have said that our case merit and have agreed to take it on, that was back in August. If you want a full write up, on anything in particular, please say. We will be going to see the solicitor again later in January and will, therefore, need to have the donations all cleared through the bank by that date in order that we can add to the client account. Well, it is crunch time now guys and I need you to get your cheque books out or phone Bob with your debit/credit card numbers as soon as possible. Bob's details are as follows:- Bob Feal-Martinez will be accepting and accounting for all monies received. You will be able to donate either by Credit or Debit Card ( with the exception of Amec or Diners Card) by phoning Bob on 01793 822997. Or please go to our new site and pay by Paypal, http://freedom2choose.co.uk Please say who you are and which site you are from, we can then thank you, if so some reason we can’t, I will now thank you in advancement, thank you Alternatively, you can post cheques, made payable to R.Feal-Martinez or Jaswinder Gill of Ormerods at:- The Carpenters Arms Motel Old Vicarage Lane South Marston Swindon Wiltshire SN3 4ST Many thanks to you all - without you we could not have got this far. Here is some interesting reading, as people all over the country are stating to see the Government are using the smoking as a cover up, as the rise in cancer is diesel and the pollutants in the air, http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/displayN...;pNodeId=126190 This is also about freedom of choice, see this, it, very frightening. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...ng+your+freedom, Nearly forgot, the Government are going to spent over £50million on this, and it should be used to save real lives, and to buy new machines for hospitals Wayne

QUOTE (mushrat @ Dec 24 2006, 10:54 PM) Good of you to join us wyane... You smoke hookah by any chance? Hi Mushrat, No I never have, but "always" wanted to, I just must try in the new year. Wayne

Hi there all, I am representing "The Big Debate", an unfunded volunteer group of licensees and members of the public who feel that the Government has lied to them on the smoking ban issue by not carrying though the promises made in its manifesto. Even more concern is now breeding since the Health Minister, Lord Warner, declared that there is a possibility of the ban extending to outside areas. Not sure if I can do this, but we are all smokers and it is for a good reason, we are taking the Government to court because they are trying to ban smoking in public areas, and we know you Hookah smokers love to smoke in your Hookah bars, and chat to each other, and if it goes you would be very sad, like us who smoke in bars. Please moderators, please check our site out, we are really doing what I say but need help. We have worked out that not one person has died from passive smoke and no one has been harmed, they are making the whole thing up, and the smoking rates are up, yes up in Ireland New Zealand and Scotland since the bans, if you want hard evidence of this please ask. We have so much evidence, like smoking rates are down but cancer is on the rise, it's far more lightly to be the diesel in the air and other pollutants. http://freedom2choose.co.uk www.thebigdebate.org Our new site is up and running, please please please could you donate, it would make our day, a £1 £10 £100, or even a £1000000 pounds, I hate asking for donations, not sure if I can on this site, sorry if I can't, but it is for a great thing, it's for the Judicial review to stop the UK Government from implementing the smoking ban in pubs and clubs, come on all lets put one over on the Government, lets show them ass's up, we actually had an amendment put in the house of Lords, it was for smoking rooms in pubs and good ventilation, 70 Lords voted for, but 215 against, when we win we will then help every country. Here is a little bit from, http://www.smokersclubinc.com/module...ticle&sid=3374 Speaking exclusively to the MA, their leader and spokesperson Robert Feal-Martinez said, "We had a full consultation meeting last week with Swindler Gill of Omero's. "Mr Gill is a Judaical Review specialist and has indicated that we have a number of key areas on which to challenge the Government. "We have devised an action plan and are currently collating the evidence ready to refer to our Barrister" He went onto say that Mr. Gill has consulted with Richard Gordon QC a top civil rights Barrister who is keen to take on the case. The man for us Martinez said: "Obviously we are delighted with this news, we identified Mr. Gordon early on as the man for us, and hopefully this will be the case." Freedom to Choose now needs to raise the money for the case and would ask that any group, company or individual who can financially assist gets in touch. Martinez said, "We have been writing to individual members of various trade bodies as we feel the executives of the main organizations have let their members down. We are getting more and more support." He concluded by requesting that trade leaders now get involved, "Surely it's better for Pub's and brewers to donate a few thousand to our fight rather than spending millions which in the end we believe will not be necessary. Our legal team are confident we can win. So are we." PLEASE SPREAD THIS AROUND TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW, AS WORD AND MOUTH IS ONE OF THE FASTEST FORMS OF TRANSPORT. Wayne