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Rough. Sorry to hear :\. I think some of the worst spills of hookahs that I have seen in the past year or two were... This had to of happened at least a couple times, but about a year ago when six of my buddies were living together (we called it the Animal House for good reason). My friend Max would just leave his hookah at their place because he was always over there and everyone seemed to enjoy a good smoke session and such. One of the times that I was hanging out on one of the couches my buddy Geoff got himself entangled with the hose of the hookah (he was trying to say what up to some chick or something) and tugged the hookah straight over. The coal went sailing to the floor and burned a good gap into their rug. Next my buddy Jordin's quick instincts, maybe not the brightest decision, picked the coal up with his bare hand. He just sat there for a second and I was in serious questioning of his reflexes, but a second more came a YELL of pain and he flung the coal away somewhere on the table. haha. Long story sorry. Just pretty much Jordin put a good burn into his hand while the rest of us laughed at his bad decision to pick up the coal bare handed. Another sad story of mine. I brought my hookah over to my friend jaime's a couple weeks ago. She was putting the hookah outside of her house when the rest of us were done with it. The three of us chimed in and told Jaime to keep a good handle on the bottom of the vase. Well seeing that she made a huge mistake took her hand away for a second (for some unimportant reason probably) and a moment later ended with the smashing of the vase of my hookah. sigh. It REEKED of hookah smoke and broken glass was everywhere. Sorry to hear buddy.

QUOTE (AKammenzind @ Apr 8 2007, 02:54 PM) Well, our govt. is corrupt, and the majority of the populace are stupid... (a large percentage think oil doesn't run out and global warming is a liberal propaganda story because they believe that the earth is about 6,000 years old and there's an invisible man watching out with a will to fix anything their foolishness can muck up.) so it's no surprise that we have a problem. Personally I welcome it, one way or another we'll have to change... and not to sound like a sadist but if we delay in dealing with our oil addiction and many people suffer when we finally run out of cheap oil because they didn't want to listen I'm going to thoroughly enjoy their pain. I had to quote from earlier posts, sorry. Just need to make a point. I was just wondering if he was advocating that a large part of our society believes that oil will not run out and that global warming is a liberal propaganda story, which explains why our majority of people are stupid and the government is corrupt? I am just trying to make sense of what AK said. One thing for sure I won't make this thread into a debate about global warming, but I do believe strongly that global warming is fabricated. I will stop there though. Another thing. Oil will not run out, sorry to burst your bubble. Just something that I have learned from my Economics class. This was a question during one of our first weeks in the class. [size="2"][/size]Question 21 - Oil Use your knowledge of economic theory to predict when the Earth will run out of Oil. Answer: General Economic Question 21 As oil becomes relatively scarcer the price will increase. As the price increases, given a downward sloping demand curve, consumers will find substitutes and the quantity of oil demanded will decrease. As the price increases entrepreneurs will assume risk, organize resources and develop alternative sources of energy. The answer to question 21: NEVER! When I was in college in the 1970s, during the OPEC created “energy crisis”, my sociology, political science, and other professors warned that oil would disappear by the 1990s. My economics professors said not to worry, markets would take care of the energy problems and oil would last forever. Wall Street Journal Letter to the Editor Demand/Supply Lesson Any first-year economics student could tell you that unless 1970s-style price controls are instituted, there is no chance that the demand for oil will "outstrip" supply ("Oil Demand Could Outstrip Supply by Late Next Decade," Sept. 9). In the event that oil becomes more scarce over time, reversing trends of the past 140 years, prices will rise, quantity demanded will fall and consumers will continue to get all the oil they want. Roy Cordato, Ph.D. Vice President for Research and Resident Scholar The John Locke Foundation Raleigh, N.C. I don't really see oil running out anytime soon .

QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Apr 18 2007, 09:10 PM) I don't like the idea of students carrying firearms to class. It sounds like and accident waiting to happen. But I am all from the profs carrying them. Even if not all profs carry them there would always be one at least in a reasonable distance so if something did go down they could get there before the cops. When that crazyass crashed his truck into the Luby's here in Texas and calmly walked around executing people it would have been nice if someone would have put a bullet in the guys skull before he shot all of those people. To me guns are a pandoras box that was open a long time ago. In a perfect world there would not be any. But in the real world criminals will always have access to them. That is just a sad fact of life. We live in an imperfect world though. From an Economic standpoint we assume people are rational. Rationality assumption: This is the assumption that persons act as if they are rational. This means that they would not intentionally make decisions that would leave them worse off. My professor for Economics addressed the issue of teachers carrying firearms in their classes. The one problem with that is if the teacher acts out of spite or becomes angry enough with a student, etc. that gun could seem quite tempting. I am not for further gun control. Not one bit. But you do have to weigh the benefits and costs to having guns on campus, just saying if we did. There will certainly be consequences to that too.

Wow this is a long thread...hmm. Here is just an article of interest by Walter Williams: JWR Murder at VPI By Walter Williams http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | The 32 murders at Virginia Polytechnic Institute (VPI) shocked the nation, but what are some of the steps that can be taken to reduce the probability that such a massacre will happen again? A large portion of the blame can be laid at the feet of the VPI administration and its campus security personnel, who failed to warn students, faculty and staff. Long before the massacre, VPI administration, security and some faculty knew Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer, had mental problems. According to The New York Times, "Campus authorities were aware 17 months ago of the troubled mental state of the student. . . ." More than one professor reported his bizarre behavior. Campus security tried to have him committed involuntarily to a mental institution. There were complaints that Cho Seung-Hui made unwelcome phone calls and stalked students. Given the university's experiences with Cho, at the minimum they should have expelled him, and their failure or inability to do so is the direct cause of last week's massacre. But there is something else we might want to look at. There's a federal law known as the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 (FERPA). As VPI's registrar reports, "Third Party Disclosures are prohibited by FERPA without the written consent of the student. Any persons other than the student are defined as Third Party, including parents, spouses, and employers." College officials are required to secure written permission from the student prior to the release of any academic record information. That means a mother, father or spouse who might have intimate historical knowledge of a student's mental, physical or academic problems, who might be in a position to render assistance in a crisis, is prohibited from being notified of new information. Alternatively, should the family member wish to initiate an inquiry as to whether there have been any reports of mental, physical or academic problems, they are prohibited from access by FERPA. Of course, the student can give his parent written permission to have access to such information, but how likely is it that a highly disturbed student will do so? FERPA is part of a much broader trend in our society where parental authority is being usurped. Earlier this year, San Francisco Bay Area Assemblywoman Sally Lieber introduced a bill that would prosecute parents for spanking their children. Because of widespread opposition, the assemblywoman withdrew her bill. Schools teach children sex material that many parents would deem offensive. Texas Gov. Rick Perry issued an executive order mandating that every 11- and 12-year-old girl be given Gardisil HPV vaccination as a guard against a sexually transmitted disease that can cause genital warts and even cervical cancer. Last February, the Commonwealth of Virginia's legislature unanimously passed a law, the first of its kind in the country, that bans universities from expelling suicidal students. Such a law suggests that the Commonwealth's legislature is more concerned about the welfare of a suicidal potential murderer than the lives of his innocent victims. As such, those legislators might consider themselves in part culpable for VPI's 32 murder victims. There is a partial parental remedy for governmental and university usurpation of parental rights through the power of the purse. Prior to writing out a check for a child's college tuition, have a legal document drawn up where the child gives his parents full and complete access to any mental, physical and academic records developed during the child's college career. While such a strategy might not be necessary for every parent, it should at least be considered by parents whose child has an unstable mental or physical history. ___________________________________________________________ One other article that addresses this issue. This is one by Thomas Sowell. JWR Aftermath of the 1960s? By Thomas Sowell http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | Someone recently said that mass shootings, such as those at Virginia Tech or Columbine High School, are largely a phenomenon of the 1960s and afterwards. If so, these tragedies can be added to the long list of disastrous consequences of the heady notions and extravagant rhetoric of that decade. What was there in the 1960s vision of the world that could possibly lead anyone to consider it right to shoot at individuals who had done nothing to him? Collective guilt is one of the legacies of the 1960s that is still with us. We are still seeing a guilt trip for slavery being laid on people who never owned a slave in their lives, and who would be repelled by the very idea of owning a slave. Back in the 1960s, it was considered Deep Stuff among the intelligentsia to say that American society — all of us collectively — were somehow responsible for the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King. During the 1960s, the idea spread like wildfire that whatever you were lacking was someone else's fault — society's fault. If you were poor, whether at home or in some Third World country, you were one of the "dispossessed" — even if you had never possessed anything to dispossess you of. The urban ghetto riots that swept across the country during the 1960s were all blamed on society. This view was formalized in a much-hailed report on urban violence by a national "blue ribbon" commission headed by Governor Otto Kerner of Illinois. President Lyndon Johnson likewise blamed urban violence on social conditions, saying: "All of us know what those conditions are: ignorance, discrimination, slums, poverty, disease, not enough jobs." This sweeping and heady vision made it unnecessary to stoop to anything so mundane as hard facts — which would have included the fact that urban riots struck most often and most violently when and where this collective guilt vision prevailed. Southern cities, where at that time discrimination and poverty were more pronounced than in the rest of the country, were not nearly as often or as hard-hit as cities outside the South. Detroit, which suffered the most deadly of all the ghetto riots of the 1960s, with 43 deaths, had an unemployment rate among blacks of 3.4 percent — which was lower than the national unemployment rate among whites. Chicago, where Mayor Richard J. Daley was not buying the liberal guilt trips of the time, was one of the few big Northern cities to escape the wave of riots that swept across the country in 1967. The kinds of mass urban riots that occurred all across the country during Lyndon Johnson's administration became virtually unknown during the eight years of the Reagan administration, which projected a completely different vision of the world. But, then as now, facts often came in a poor second to heady visions and sweeping rhetoric. If other people are somehow responsible for whatever is lacking in your life, lashing out at random against individuals who have done nothing to you personally can sound plausible to many people. Whether or not the latest mass killings at Virginia Tech were a result of medically verifiable insanity, there have always been insane people but there have not always been mass killings with the frequency we have seen since 1960. Nor is gun control the magic answer, as often suggested by the same kind of people who believe in collective responsibility instead of individual responsibility. Since murder is illegal everywhere, why would someone who is unwilling to obey the law against murder be willing to obey a law against getting a gun — which is easy to get illegally? One of the many hard facts that get overlooked by those impressed by \visions and rhetoric is that mass shootings almost invariably occur in gun-free zones like schools, workplaces, or houses of worship. When has a mass killer opened fire on a meeting of the National Rifle Association or fired on a group of hunters? Instead of banning guns, maybe we should rethink 1960s dogmas.

I was surprised to see my thread back up and running. Thanks again guys for the tips . I am just sorting out (hopefully) a purchase in the making at the moment. I will post some pictures once I get a hookah.

Aw ok. I have still yet to visit WSU/Pullman, but I do have a bunch of friends who go there for college. Damn, well hopefully the Washingtonians come back around. The Rabbit Hole is a really chill scene if you are looking for a place to smoke while you are in Sea-town. They also ask you to sign in (just once) and show your I.D. right afterwards. Then after that you are good to order.

That is a bummer. Hooters + Hookah doesn't sound like a bad combo at all. People just need to stop letting the "unknown" effect them so much. Good luck with that. Someone needs to set up there own restaurant for wings and hookah...

QUOTE (OPR234 @ May 1 2007, 08:40 PM) I'm from Washington too, my local hookah bar loopholed the indoor smoking law by setting up a "private hookah club" or something. Basically it costs 4 bucks to join the "club", and once you pay and sign your name on the list you can order your hookah (this is also how other private organizations get around it). Also they only serve hookahs after 6-7PM, there was a reason for it but I can't really remember at the moment. Also with the 25 foot rule, people pretty much don't care about it, and cops drive by the bars all the time with people smoking right next to the door and they have never done anything about it. I don't mean I havent seen it happen, I mean it hasn't happened here because the cops have better things to do, even when they're looking for someone to bust for something, and all you have to say is "I'm drunk and I forgot, my bad" and they can't really do anything. I also think the indoor smoking ban is great because I hate the smell of cigarettes and I can still hit up the local hookah bar with no problems. Oh damn. Which part of Washington? Yeah I remember when some clubs went private and such. What hookah bar do you usually hit up? The one I used to go to was the Rabbit Hole in the U district and before that the one downtown in between 1st/2nd and Cherry.

QUOTE (The King @ May 1 2007, 07:40 PM) I'm only 17, I've just always been really into politics...but it leads to a lot of arguementsa with teachers True true. I have a strong stance for diversity of thought in schools (having both liberal and conservative views without penalizing the student for their own). Sometimes it is not worth it though to mention your political stance in class because with it can go your grade haha.

Perhaps libertarian and radicals too. I am mainly moderate, but I do lean to the right for now. My Economics class is a big help too with certain issues. I'd rather have capitalism and free markets rather than socialism and oppression (ouch). Just making a point that I support free markets is all. I am still pretty naive when it comes to politics (I am only 20), but maybe in the next couple years I will understand a bit better. Though I feel that there are some weaknesses to our political system in the United States. I need to keep up with my studies before I make too many value judgments.

Here are two articles of interest which I grabbed from my Economics class. Economics and Smoking Phony Science and Public Policy Just an interesting excerpt from the second article: " You say, "Okay, Williams, the science is bogus, but how do we nonsmokers cope with the nuisance of tobacco smoke?" My answer is that it all depends on whether you prefer liberty-oriented solutions to problems or those that are more tyranny-oriented. The liberty-oriented solution has to do with private property rights, whereby the owner of property makes the decision whether he will allow smoking or not. If one is a nonsmoker, he just doesn't do business with a bar or restaurant where smoking is permitted. A smoker could exercise the same right if a bar or restaurant didn't permit smoking. Publicly owned places such as libraries, airports and municipal buildings, where ownership is ill defined, presents more of a challenge. The tyranny-oriented solution is where one group uses the political system to forcibly impose its preferences on others. You might be tempted to object to the term "tyranny," but suppose you owned a restaurant where you did not permit smoking and smokers used the political system to create a law forcing you to permit smoking. I'm sure you'd deem it tyranny." I'd much rather take a liberty-oriented solution over tyranny. But hey that is just me. I have heard that New York has some pretty stringent rules about smoking.

Awesome pictures mayne.

I was wondering the same exact thing. I am not sure if it is worth it to just buy one to test for results and such.

Thanks a bunch guys for the help . I will definitely check out those sites in just a moment. Mainly I am looking for a hookah with just one hose opposed to two hoses (had that last time and I wasn't as impressed). At this point I am liking the MYA hookahs a lot.

QUOTE (PerznPerversion @ Apr 30 2007, 07:35 PM) I heard good things about all those sites, but i just ordered a new syrian hookah from Nazarhookah and i got a great deal. Customer service was great, Mahir is an awesome guy. Id check that site out too How much did you end up spending? Cost isn't so much of an issue for me as is just finding a decent hookah that actually lives up to what I am paying for. Mrah..I just would rather not buy on a hunch and have better information about hookahs.