1 Session = 100 Cigarettes

[nofrendo]

1 session = 100 cigarettes

found here:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/a...hookah0505.html

Apparently, our affinity for truthful news, or even plausible news, has ended. This is not even ANYWHERE NEAR realistic, obviously, even if you vaporized all the tobacco in a bowl at 2000 degrees, let the smoke cool, and consumed all of it, you would still not be consuming anywhere near 100 cigarettes. It's a simple question of volume. Even a huge 50g bowl is nowhere close.

[jeeps613]

That is definetly one of those "dangers of smoking articles" that is published to scare people away from smoking. I agree entirely that it is impossible for one session to equal 100 bloody smokes- the volume as you said speaks for itself. Freakin' anti-tobacco people and their soiled attempt to steer me away from something that has less nicotiene than my old cigarettes and far less chemical additives. Did you also notice how when describing a small hookah pipe they compared it to that of a small crack pipe to give a very subtle negative conotation throughout the whole article... I don't get people but yeah I guess that is just me. Besides- it is up to the user to make the choice to smoke or not. Addiction is mental which is a hard habit to break but if people want to they can- it might be hard but if you are true about something the complicated can be accomplished. Will power... I am still pretty aggrevated about the biast and lack of backing sources in that article. A very poor argument if I might add. But that is just me.

[PersianPride]

Had have to see the proper scientific methodology to analysis the 100 cigarettes claim. But I can say that the water definately does filter something, the question is whether what it filters is of any significance to your health. Any one who does basic sciences knows that if you pass smoke or anything through water the components of that smoke that are hydrophilic (i.e are attracted to and soluble in water) will enter the water rather then the eventual human.

What has to be down is to find out whether the really harmful stuff in tobacco smoke are hydrophilic.

[staygone]

Yeah, smoking a carton of cigarettes per session. I'm suprised I can make it out of my house without having withdrawls from nicotine. You would be such a wreck if you weren't smoking a hookah 24-7 with that type of an addiction.

Ridiculous article.

QM

[cafesaden]

hahahhaha. i challenge anyone to smoke 100 cigarettes in 1 sitting. instant yak / health problems

[web250]

Hoorayyy bad science.

[Sonthert]

Actually, from the standpoint of tobacco content, 100 cigarettes is a little high. For the average hookah lounge bowl, it would probably be closer to 12 cigarettes worth of tobacco...and the tobacco content is quite high...but can we evaluate risks of cigarettes, or smoking hookahs as pipes with burning pipe tobacco in the same way as this modern hookah? Nobody wants to address that question, they just mention the scope of the experiment and let anti-smoking Nazis misapply the study. There was that one study I thought was interesting, dealing with modern hookah smoking, but it dealt largely in heavy metal content. That one guy I used to ping-pong discussions back and forth with...he posted it up some time ago, like March.

Nicotine is still not listed as a carcinogen, last I checked.

The water does filter out some stuff...not much, probably not making it safer at all, thats true.

[nofrendo]

Right, at least you don't get all that stinky stuff in your lungs though

Hookahs will probably be banned because of our reluctance to be skeptical. I mean, society's as a whole.

Example: Global Warming

WTF???

I just say GET OUT AND VOTE!!!

Because otherwise, old people will control our futures

You know? Whenever I go to the polling booth, I see mostly old people. This is not a random cross-section of our society... The AARP has a very wide influence over society, because a very large percentage of old people vote.

Just a thought, I don't want old people telling me what I'm allowed to put in my body and where

[Sonthert]

As William Burroughs put it, the world can be divided into two classes of people, the Shits and the Johnsons.

The Shits are the know-it-all, I'm better than you, butt their nose in other people's business, I know the best way for other people to live their lives kind of a deal. The Johnsons are the people who believe in live and let live and mind your own business.

[nofrendo]

I'm into the whole live-and-let-live thing. I'm a libertarian...

Haha I saw this thing today, in the Daily Show book, AMERICA The Book: A Citizen's Guide To Democracy Inaction

It was a tombstone for the libertarian party

It read: We should have worn our seatbelts

LOL

[insidius]

Freakin' anti-tobacco people and their soiled attempt to steer me away from something that has less nicotiene than my old cigarettes and far less chemical additives.

I wouldn't be so sure they're anti-tobacco.

Tobacco lobbyists can be pretty clever. I wouldn't be surprised if the cigarette companies themselves were campaigning against hookah smoking in the form of these 'articles.'

[teox]

thank you for smoking-style.

[PerznPerversion]

about the 100 cigerattes.. i think they just mean smoke wise, not tobacco wise.

i agree there is alot of smoke in a hookah

[3rooker]

Addiction is mental which is a hard habit to break but if people want to they can- it might be hard but if you are true about something the complicated can be accomplished. Will power... I am still pretty aggrevated about the biast and lack of backing sources in that article.

Yeah, smoking a carton of cigarettes per session. I'm suprised I can make it out of my house without having withdrawls from nicotine. You would be such a wreck if you weren't smoking a hookah 24-7 with that type of an addiction.

Ridiculous article.

QM

First of all, jeeps, addiction is not mental. You are born an addict. I used to have drinking problems. The science of addiction is lower levels of seratonin in the brain. For me, alcohol brought up my seratonin levels to what was "normal" for everyone else. Some people need alcohol, some cocaine, it all depends. The hightened seratonin levels makes you feel happy and like everyone else does all the time. It does take will power. But I went from alcohol, to cigars, and now I'm on occasional drinking. Your habit and addiction is directed towards other things.

QM, 100 cigarettes=1/2 a carton. And if you did smoke 5 packs of cigarettes in an hour or two, I'm pretty sure you would feel like you just ran 20 miles. You wouldn't be able to breathe too easily. I don't feel that way after smoking hookah.

The water does filter out things. But the fact is, our bodies were not made to smoke stuff. Therefor, you still run a risk of lung cancer and gum disease. The smoke irritates tissues. U.S. white male non-smokers still have a 1% chance of lung cancer. U.S. white male lifetime smokers only have an 8% chance of lung cancer. Forgot what website that came off of, but those are the facts. Agreed, it is one's decision whether or not to smoke. Understanding the risks of smoking, you can choose to or not. The fact that shisha has no tar says a lot. There's not as many additives, if any, in shisha. It is a cultural activity in the Middle East. It is not an addiction. That said, it probably goes to show you that it is meant for cultural/spiritual purposes, not to get people addicted to something for life, like cigarette companies do here in the United States. I know this is only my opinion. Some of this information is scientific fact. But everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. I think most of us here, seeing that we all smoke shisha, are probably on the same page. We do it because we want to and we all think that there is less harm. No one can say for sure that shisha is worse than cigarettes, because there is virtually no data on it. It hasn't really been a concern or issue to conduct much testing. It is starting to though because of the growing popularity and concern of health problems caused by smoking. Like I said, we are all probably on the same page here, you don't see people posting "DON'T SMOKE!! DON'T SMOKE!! DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S HORRIBLE FOR YOU?! YOU'RE STUPID FOR SMOKING!!!" on these pages. That's my side.

[Soeffinblack]

they can say what they want we all know were not stopping anytime soon, I finally found somthing I enjoy from time to time rather than every 20 minutes like how I used to be when I smoked cigarettes for 7 years. I always thought to myself for 3 years after I quit smoking "man I miss the whole relaxation part of smoking from time to time" and i can have that with my hookah and just relax when its nessacary or whe n I feel like I want to rather than having a drug tell me I want somthing. it is all mental if you ask me. I dont see how its as bad as 100 cigarettes, theres no way, and if there is, is he simply stating we should all smoke cigarettes rather than a hookah? I swear theyll say anything to try and get you to stop doing somthing, its like bible thumpers except with tobaccy.

[staygone]

First of all, jeeps, addiction is not mental. You are born an addict. I used to have drinking problems. The science of addiction is lower levels of seratonin in the brain. For me, alcohol brought up my seratonin levels to what was "normal" for everyone else. Some people need alcohol, some cocaine, it all depends. The hightened seratonin levels makes you feel happy and like everyone else does all the time. It does take will power. But I went from alcohol, to cigars, and now I'm on occasional drinking. Your habit and addiction is directed towards other things.

So your saying that people are born drug addicts? You make the choice to do _____,not the other way around. Also, there are many drugs that are mentally, physically, physically/metally addictive.

Where did you come up that the science of addiction is based on serotonin? I would like to see this because addiction can be based on many different biochemicals, such as dopamine.

Yeah, 100 cigarettes in one sitting would make the toughest stomach purge like Mt. St. Helen.

QM Edited May 10, 2007 by QuiltedMaple

[nofrendo]

I feel pretty shitty after even smoking 1 cigarette... Hookah is great though

[nofrendo]

The fact that shisha has no tar says a lot. There's not as many additives, if any, in shisha.

I don't know why all the shisha companies put this 0% tar crap on their product. No tobacco has any tar in it, the tar is formed when it burns. And I can assure you that the amount of tar in hookah smoke is not 0%

[3rooker]

First of all, jeeps, addiction is not mental. You are born an addict. I used to have drinking problems. The science of addiction is lower levels of seratonin in the brain. For me, alcohol brought up my seratonin levels to what was "normal" for everyone else. Some people need alcohol, some cocaine, it all depends. The hightened seratonin levels makes you feel happy and like everyone else does all the time. It does take will power. But I went from alcohol, to cigars, and now I'm on occasional drinking. Your habit and addiction is directed towards other things.

So your saying that people are born drug addicts? You make the choice to do _____,not the other way around. Also, there are many drugs that are mentally, physically, physically/metally addictive.

Where did you come up that the science of addiction is based on serotonin? I would like to see this because addiction can be based on many different biochemicals, such as dopamine.

Yeah, 100 cigarettes in one sitting would make the toughest stomach purge like Mt. St. Helen.

QM

The fact that shisha has no tar says a lot. There's not as many additives, if any, in shisha.

I don't know why all the shisha companies put this 0% tar crap on their product. No tobacco has any tar in it, the tar is formed when it burns. And I can assure you that the amount of tar in hookah smoke is not 0%

QM, I know dopamine and other things can play in affect too, but when you feel down because of those low chemical levels, you resort to choosing to use drugs. They make you feel good and you are addicted. I got that from a substance abuse specialist.

Nofrendo, if tar comes from tobacco being burned, then why wouldn't shisha have 0%? Shisha is not burned. It is heated. It is not truly "burned" like a cigarette. And tar is all the chemicals and other crap in cigarettes. If shisha does in fact have tar, it is VERY little. Like I said, there is virtually no data on the dangers/affects of smoking from a water pipe. Studies haven't been done. It will be years before conclusive studies will yield results that can be published. Nofrendo, if you can assure me that shisha does not have 0% tar, than you must be able to tell me how much it really has, seeing as how you know and all.

[nofrendo]

First of all, jeeps, addiction is not mental. You are born an addict. I used to have drinking problems. The science of addiction is lower levels of seratonin in the brain. For me, alcohol brought up my seratonin levels to what was "normal" for everyone else. Some people need alcohol, some cocaine, it all depends. The hightened seratonin levels makes you feel happy and like everyone else does all the time. It does take will power. But I went from alcohol, to cigars, and now I'm on occasional drinking. Your habit and addiction is directed towards other things.

So your saying that people are born drug addicts? You make the choice to do _____,not the other way around. Also, there are many drugs that are mentally, physically, physically/metally addictive.

Where did you come up that the science of addiction is based on serotonin? I would like to see this because addiction can be based on many different biochemicals, such as dopamine.

Yeah, 100 cigarettes in one sitting would make the toughest stomach purge like Mt. St. Helen.

QM

The fact that shisha has no tar says a lot. There's not as many additives, if any, in shisha.

I don't know why all the shisha companies put this 0% tar crap on their product. No tobacco has any tar in it, the tar is formed when it burns. And I can assure you that the amount of tar in hookah smoke is not 0%

QM, I know dopamine and other things can play in affect too, but when you feel down because of those low chemical levels, you resort to choosing to use drugs. They make you feel good and you are addicted. I got that from a substance abuse specialist.

Nofrendo, if tar comes from tobacco being burned, then why wouldn't shisha have 0%? Shisha is not burned. It is heated. It is not truly "burned" like a cigarette. And tar is all the chemicals and other crap in cigarettes. If shisha does in fact have tar, it is VERY little. Like I said, there is virtually no data on the dangers/affects of smoking from a water pipe. Studies haven't been done. It will be years before conclusive studies will yield results that can be published. Nofrendo, if you can assure me that shisha does not have 0% tar, than you must be able to tell me how much it really has, seeing as how you know and all.

Shisha does not have tar by itself. Neither do cigarettes.

"This strange fact led them to analyse the tar filtering properties of narghile (results: 84mg for 10g of tobacco ; 161mg without water in the vase). As it was not enough to explain the low rates they observed, they discussed, among other matters, the influence of inhalation patterns and the question of temperature."

Tar produced by burning 10g of tobacco: 84mg with water in the base, 161mg without

Source: http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/13/4/327#267

Assured?

Edit: No need to get snotty, of course. I can see how my assertion could seem unreasonable given that I did not immediately back it up with data, but to automatically assume that the data does not exist is certainly no reasonable response. Skepticism vs. Pessimism Edited May 10, 2007 by nofrendo

[staygone]

Yep. The reason why your chemicals are low is because you "super saturated" the amount of biochemicals in your system. You body is used to the higher levels induced by a drug, your body can't make that level naturally, so your body reacts to it (addiction).

I've noticed a similarity between the part that gets burned when smoking a cigar (the black, hard stuff) and the top of my bowl when I'm finished with a session (the hockey puck). You smoke something, your going to get tar.

Tobacco's Tobacco. Sure it is dangerous, but who gives a hoot? I gots years ahead of me before I have to worry. Edited May 10, 2007 by QuiltedMaple

[nofrendo]

Not proof, but what is important is the tar YIELD per gram, not the tar content, as the tar is not produced until the tobacco is burned.

http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/cha/c11567.htm

Of course, the tar yield of shisha is low, and when filtered by water even more so (1.61% and .84% respectively)

But this would not be considered as 0% by any reasonable guideline

I'm saying the packaging is truthful, but misleading

It's just an opportunity to say "AHA! AND THEY MISLEAD YOU TOO!!! THE REAL TAR CONTENT IS 500%!!!", etc.

[girlgeek]

I didn't want to be the one to bring it up but. . .

Could the studies and articles be a reflection of the USA's view of the middle east? Would it be such a stretch to say that the general population thinks of hookah as something, "only those dirty arabs do"

[OrangeLazarus]

I didn't want to be the one to bring it up but. . .

Could the studies and articles be a reflection of the USA's view of the middle east? Would it be such a stretch to say that the general population thinks of hookah as something, "only those dirty arabs do"

You know, I was talking to the guy at my local hookah lounge about this article earlier today and when I was driving home I thought of the exact same thing. This could just be more clever propaganda to make us fear/dislike something because of its cultural connotations. My god, if brown people do it, it must be bad! Ooh, conspiracy!

[AKammenzind]

I didn't want to be the one to bring it up but. . .

Could the studies and articles be a reflection of the USA's view of the middle east? Would it be such a stretch to say that the general population thinks of hookah as something, "only those dirty arabs do"

I think that may well be part of it, but a lot of it is also that hookahs are very similar to the bongs many older people grew up associating with the "evil pinko hippie" types and large cigarette companies wanting to control the market.

I doubt that any anti-tobacco people were much responsible for that article, sounds to me like it's geared towards promoting the notion that hookah is worse than cigarettes rather than that smoking in general causes health problems.