1 Session = 100 Cigarettes

[PerznPerversion]

AHHHHHHH I <3 u Middle east!!

[GordonMac]

My opinion on all of this is that Hookah smoking is becoming very popular in America now and the cigarette companies know this. I think that they are trying to scare people away from hookah to keep their customers because hookah is a much much better alternative to cigs.

[hookah hippie]

100 ciggerettes X long session lets say 4 bowls over about the course of the day

gee on days where I smoke a lot I smoke 2 cartons of ciggerettes

hmm. doesn't seem right

[random]

1 session = 100 cigarettes

found here:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/a...hookah0505.html

Apparently, our affinity for truthful news, or even plausible news, has ended. This is not even ANYWHERE NEAR realistic, obviously, even if you vaporized all the tobacco in a bowl at 2000 degrees, let the smoke cool, and consumed all of it, you would still not be consuming anywhere near 100 cigarettes. It's a simple question of volume. Even a huge 50g bowl is nowhere close.

yeah for once i wanna find the truth in these things!

[PerznPerversion]

100 ciggerettes X long session lets say 4 bowls over about the course of the day

gee on days where I smoke a lot I smoke 2 cartons of ciggerettes

hmm. doesn't seem right

"Smoking a hookah is worse than smoking a cigarette, according to the World Health Organization, because more smoke is inhaled over a longer period of time. During a typical 45-minute session, a water-pipe user may inhale as much smoke as he would consuming the volume of 100 or more cigarettes, the agency says."

The article is misleading, if you would to skim over its possible that you would think that one session of hookah=100 cigs.

but its really saying 1 session of hookah has as much smoke as 100 cigs.

[mgcsinc]

I don't really have time, but I'll respond to a couple things. I'd suggest that people use the search to find old debates on this issue. One example is the thread I started, http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?showt...tual+scientific .

Anyway, here are my two cents on these latest issues:

- Every time people hear numbers like '100 cigarettes' or '20 cigarettes' (a more accurate number, if you're talking tar content), they use common sense to conclude that the study is flawed without looking at the data or making actual comments on the methodology. Common sense has little place in a scientific debate. What one is failing to realize when one says 'oh, but if I smoked 20 cigarettes, I'd feel like shit' is that there is a differentiation between tar content and nicotine content. It's the nicotine that makes you feel sick, but it's the tar that will make you die of cancer. What these studies typically find is that the tar content of a shisha session is similar to that of 20 cigarettes, but the nicotine content is much lower. As it is, the human body is great at titrating nicotine intake, and you would never take in more nicotine than you could handle without trying.

- The primary neurotransmitter involved in addiction is Dopamine. This is established neuroscience dogma.

- I have not taken the time to review Kamal Chaouachi's claims in his response to Maziak et al.'s great review article, but I will point out that Chaouachi has been partially discredited for refusing to declare conflicting commercial interests (he has a patent on a hookah-related device) and has been disallowed from submitting further responses to Tobacco Control. Additionally, "in such circumstances, it is Tobacco Control’s policy to inform offending authors’ institutions of such conduct. Dr Chaouachi would appear to not be currently working for any institution."

[Sonthert]

As we mgc and I have bounced back and forth, I will repeat what I said in a previous thread. The technical definition of tar would mean sheesha has tons of tar, many dozens of times what a cigarette would have. Since sheesha cooks at a far lower temperature, the tar production is quite low. Data has been established for some time that the amount of carcinogens produced goes down with ignition temperature.

People learn to become addicts, its not inborn. Modern psychobabble says its not their faults, its genetic, bull. Anecdotally, Although Japanese drink, on average, about the same or more alcohol than Americans, their incidence of alcoholism is almost unknown, that is zero. Japanese -Americans, people born of Japanese parents, but raised in this country have higher rates of alcoholism than Japanese do. By the third generation, like in so many things, their alcoholism rates have become commensurate with Americans incidences. If it was inborn, their alcoholism rates would remain low. There are other studies I have read about anecdotally, again, that trace people whose parents were from another country that different rates of alcohol usage/alcoholism than this country, they vaguely represented the rates to change to American standards. It would have to be social.

[mgcsinc]

As I've said before, Sonthert is right in re the carcinogenicity of shisha tar. Although I don't know of any specific tests that have been done on shisha 'tar', it is VERY likely the case that it is of lower carcinogenicity than cigarette 'tar'. However, the count of tar that goes on cigarette packages is based on the technical definition of tar, i.e. non-nicotine particulate matter produced when smoked. Under that definition, shisha does not contain '0.00% tar', as many packages claim. The definition of tar content on packages should be universal across products, so unless shisha manufacturers start using another phrase like 'carcinogenic tar', it is unconscionable that they continue to claim that there is no tar in their products. It is, simply, a lie.

I don't know of a single nature/nurture debate (except for specific genetic disorders) that has been won by one of the two sides. As Sonthert points out, cultural influences play a MAJOR (some would say nearly exclusive) role in addiction. If 'modern psychobabble' refers to the disgusting glut of pop psych out there, then yes, it has way overstated the case for genetic influences. If you were referring to actual academic psychology, then you clearly haven't read the current literature. Very few academic psychologists are claiming that 'its not their faults, its genetic'. However, to claim that there is no genetic influence at all, you're gonna have to refute a lot of very carefully-conducted genetic research. Adoption and twin studies (look up the methodologies) show that tenancy toward addiction has an undeniable genetic basis. Again, I'm not making any claim about the relative importance of genetic and environmental influences, but simply pointing out that a genetic influence does exist. Furthermore, this influence has been traced to specific genes coding for dopamine receptors in the brain.

As we mgc and I have bounced back and forth, I will repeat what I said in a previous thread. The technical definition of tar would mean sheesha has tons of tar, many dozens of times what a cigarette would have. Since sheesha cooks at a far lower temperature, the tar production is quite low. Data has been established for some time that the amount of carcinogens produced goes down with ignition temperature.

People learn to become addicts, its not inborn. Modern psychobabble says its not their faults, its genetic, bull. Anecdotally, Although Japanese drink, on average, about the same or more alcohol than Americans, their incidence of alcoholism is almost unknown, that is zero. Japanese -Americans, people born of Japanese parents, but raised in this country have higher rates of alcoholism than Japanese do. By the third generation, like in so many things, their alcoholism rates have become commensurate with Americans incidences. If it was inborn, their alcoholism rates would remain low. There are other studies I have read about anecdotally, again, that trace people whose parents were from another country that different rates of alcohol usage/alcoholism than this country, they vaguely represented the rates to change to American standards. It would have to be social.

[shisha fan]

how do they make this stuff up?! you would be completely exhausted and coughing all the time if this was true.