Hookah Company

[tkato]

the low price is due to the fact it's not made from high-quality steel, you can even see that it's not made with high-quality stuff... the base is the only thing worth getting since it's very decorative but the hookah it self should cost 10-20$, this hookah will not last for long nor provide alot of smoke.

[MAKCuMG]

the low price is due to the fact it's not made from high-quality steel, you can even see that it's not made with high-quality stuff... the base is the only thing worth getting since it's very decorative but the hookah it self should cost 10-20$, this hookah will not last for long nor provide alot of smoke.

What gives you that impression? So I know what to look for and what to avoid?

[Bean]

it sort of looks like a knock off MYA. However, Hookah company is very reliable, just make sure you choose a quality product.

[MAKCuMG]

it sort of looks like a knock off MYA. However, Hookah company is very reliable, just make sure you choose a quality product.

So these Khalil Mamoun pipes are really worth the money huh?

[tkato]

the low price is due to the fact it's not made from high-quality steel, you can even see that it's not made with high-quality stuff... the base is the only thing worth getting since it's very decorative but the hookah it self should cost 10-20$, this hookah will not last for long nor provide alot of smoke.

What gives you that impression? So I know what to look for and what to avoid?

Actully it's a matter of exprience... in israel there is alot of low-quality hookah's, they last for like a few months, smoke bad and just suck, you can see it in the price, normaly you'll have to knock on the stem of the hookah to hear if it's hollow or solid, hollow means low quality and solid means high, since i can't do it in a picture you have to look first at the price, the design and so, for example, 40$ for a hookah? most hookah's in the USA cost atleast 100$, there's a reason it's been sold for 40$.
second the large stem looks cheap and ugly, the huge round parts tell you that it's ow quality metal and the overall texture of it aswell... as i said it's a matter of exprience with this things.
But don't be foolished, america very pricy hookahs, a normal good hookah outside of the us should cost you 20$ for 100$ you can get an amazing hookah and not a solid mya... i recommend as always importing from israel or turkey since they got amazing hookahs for very chap.

[MAKCuMG]

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Actully it's a matter of exprience... in israel there is alot of low-quality hookah's, they last for like a few months, smoke bad and just suck, you can see it in the price, normaly you'll have to knock on the stem of the hookah to hear if it's hollow or solid, hollow means low quality and solid means high, since i can't do it in a picture you have to look first at the price, the design and so, for example, 40$ for a hookah? most hookah's in the USA cost atleast 100$, there's a reason it's been sold for 40$.
second the large stem looks cheap and ugly, the huge round parts tell you that it's ow quality metal and the overall texture of it aswell... as i said it's a matter of exprience with this things.
But don't be foolished, america very pricy hookahs, a normal good hookah outside of the us should cost you 20$ for 100$ you can get an amazing hookah and not a solid mya... i recommend as always importing from israel or turkey since they got amazing hookahs for very chap.
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Thanks a bunch. The shipping from israel/turkey would probably end up costing as much as getting it here.

Does anyone have one of the Khalil Mamoun hookahs from HC? Are they as good as they are rumored to be?

[Gaara]

I just bought one (the Blue Mangolia) and the water was leaking. When I look under, the base had a small crack. Hopefully, I'll be able to get a replacement when I call them. Edited May 22, 2007 by Gaara

[cypherkk]

I've suggested and had friends get hookahs from hookah company. Don't know about the quality so they may fail after a few months but so far so good.


But, in the end, you get what you pay for.

[Bean]

KMs are great if you want a traditional egyptian hookah. However, MYAs are great aswell. There are many well made hookahs aswell as many low quality ones. Social smoke, MYAs, Khalils, you cant go wrong with. just stay away from something that looks cheap. Just because the price is low doesnt always mean a bad hookah. QTs are under $100 but some of the best hookahs on the market for the size.

[HAHkoo]

Actully it's a matter of exprience... in israel there is alot of low-quality hookah's, they last for like a few months, smoke bad and just suck, you can see it in the price, normaly you'll have to knock on the stem of the hookah to hear if it's hollow or solid, hollow means low quality and solid means high, since i can't do it in a picture you have to look first at the price, the design and so, for example, 40$ for a hookah? most hookah's in the USA cost atleast 100$, there's a reason it's been sold for 40$.
second the large stem looks cheap and ugly, the huge round parts tell you that it's ow quality metal and the overall texture of it aswell... as i said it's a matter of exprience with this things.
But don't be foolished, america very pricy hookahs, a normal good hookah outside of the us should cost you 20$ for 100$ you can get an amazing hookah and not a solid mya... i recommend as always importing from israel or turkey since they got amazing hookahs for very chap.

wow you presume a lot of things from just one picture, but hey all stems are hollow. And yes everybody wants a quality pipe but if you want something thats cheap and looks fancy i say go for it. As long as you have your method down anybody should actually be able to get a good smoke even from the most shittiest pipe.

And buying a pipe from israel or turkey in my eyes be pointless... ima pay 20 bucks for a quality pipe and pay 50 dollars on shipping, its just not logical.

[MAKCuMG]

So I called em up...Really liked the "sangria" vase and was wondering if they could switch the stems...no way jose, these guys aren't MYA...the rep told me they don't even offer that vase as a separate item. i.e. i'd have to buy both hookahs if i wanted the KM stem and the HC vase.

I'm sure some other vendors wound have no problem substituting one vase for another, they just told me I have to buy the hooka "as seen on website".

I'm pretty sure that their parts are interchangable, plus since they sell their (HC) stems separately, its not like the'd have to toss the stem or smthing. I dunno, I dunno....

I'm probly just expecting too much of them, I just figured if other places could do it, why cant they.

[sambookamax]

I have the 28" Amer Khalil Mamoun Hookah, and I LOVE it! I got it from HC, you can read my review about them, they provided me with excellent service!

[Officer Rod Farva]

As a manufacturer/distributor, I would like to add the following comments:

1. I know the pipes in question, the distributors/importers they come from, they are of medium quality, not bad for the price, but I would lean towards a 27".

the low price is due to the fact it's not made from high-quality steel, you can even see that it's not made with high-quality stuff... the base is the only thing worth getting since it's very decorative but the hookah it self should cost 10-20$, this hookah will not last for long nor provide alot of smoke

2. What is high quality steel? You are deciding what constitutes good quality steel from a picture? There is no difference in steel. Middle Eastern steel is all crap, galvanized, plated crap.

3. That is a reasonable price for a hookah of that quality. Just because you can buy it in Damascus for $6 US doesn't change the fact that it has to be shipped here and everybody from the importer to the distributor gets a cut. Its wholesale is admittedly about $20, but like I said previously, retailers lean towards making a chunk on the hookahs and then cutting their profit margins on the repeat business of charcoal and tobacco. Right or wrong, thats the marketplace here in the US. Lets say somebody did the opposite, sell their hookahs cheap and the tobacco expensively. People would buy a hookah from them and the tobacco from another vendor...you made $10. Big deal. The guy who does it the forward way can compete and maybe get return customers.

4. In fact, the jar makes up about 20% of the wholesale. Egyptian gorp. The hose is worth almost that much.

5. Its not a MYA ripoff...quite the opposite...if there are MYAs that look like that, they are ripping off hollow Egyptian pipes...the MYAs are newer than the Egyptian style ones...anyhow, the construction of them is considerably different.

So these Khalil Mamoun pipes are really worth the money huh?

6. New Khalil Maamons suck nuts too...HC may be selling some of their old ones...I'm not sure. The old ones are very good. The new ones run-of-the-mill crap.

Actully it's a matter of exprience... in israel there is alot of low-quality hookah's, they last for like a few months, smoke bad and just suck, you can see it in the price, normaly you'll have to knock on the stem of the hookah to hear if it's hollow or solid, hollow means low quality and solid means high, since i can't do it in a picture you have to look first at the price, the design and so, for example, 40$ for a hookah? most hookah's in the USA cost atleast 100$, there's a reason it's been sold for 40$.
second the large stem looks cheap and ugly, the huge round parts tell you that it's ow quality metal and the overall texture of it aswell... as i said it's a matter of exprience with this things.
But don't be foolished, america very pricy hookahs, a normal good hookah outside of the us should cost you 20$ for 100$ you can get an amazing hookah and not a solid mya... i recommend as always importing from israel or turkey since they got amazing hookahs for very chap.

7. I agree with the point that hollow ones are inferior, unfortunately, the American market doesn't support expensive, solid hookahs...they are too expensive here owing to the high mark-ups. As far as hookahs go, I've seen many hookahs, I've never examined a hookah from Israel or Turkey that was even worth importing...let alone buying. Syrians, in my opinion, are the best, with Egyptians lagging far behind. Aren't you trying to sell people Israeli/Turkish hookahs? There may be good ones I haven't seen, but I'll stick with a good Syrian any day.

8. I have yet to see a solid MYA...all hollow from what I've seen and made of aluminum, but generally heavily weighted at the bottom of the shank.

9. Gaara...call them...they'll want to make it right, I should think.

10. MAKcuMG...the problem is that often, as in the case of these red Egyptian jars, they often buy the shanks and the jars as a set. This seems to be cheaper to go this route. Otherwise, retailers/distributors hog up all the good selling colors/styles and drive up the price. Still, sometimes they buy shanks and jars separately. If they buy them as a set, as is probably the case here, they are reluctant to break up the set because selling a shank without a jar is difficult. They would then have to put a different jar on it. Then they would have to photo and put up a single item...a real pain in the ass...expensive to have a web-guy put it up after he photographed it for one piece. Minimizing the choices keeps the prices down. Good or bad, thats how it seems to work most of the time. MYA is indeed quite shrewd for buying and selling the shanks and jars separately. Its a great idea that seems to be coming of age as this thread should demonstrate.

Thats just my thoughts/observations on the matter...

Sonthert

[tkato]

Actully it's a matter of exprience... in israel there is alot of low-quality hookah's, they last for like a few months, smoke bad and just suck, you can see it in the price, normaly you'll have to knock on the stem of the hookah to hear if it's hollow or solid, hollow means low quality and solid means high, since i can't do it in a picture you have to look first at the price, the design and so, for example, 40$ for a hookah? most hookah's in the USA cost atleast 100$, there's a reason it's been sold for 40$.
second the large stem looks cheap and ugly, the huge round parts tell you that it's ow quality metal and the overall texture of it aswell... as i said it's a matter of exprience with this things.
But don't be foolished, america very pricy hookahs, a normal good hookah outside of the us should cost you 20$ for 100$ you can get an amazing hookah and not a solid mya... i recommend as always importing from israel or turkey since they got amazing hookahs for very chap.

wow you presume a lot of things from just one picture, but hey all stems are hollow. And yes everybody wants a quality pipe but if you want something thats cheap and looks fancy i say go for it. As long as you have your method down anybody should actually be able to get a good smoke even from the most shittiest pipe.

And buying a pipe from israel or turkey in my eyes be pointless... ima pay 20 bucks for a quality pipe and pay 50 dollars on shipping, its just not logical.

It seems you are set to flame me, Actully yes all Stems are hollow but that's not what i meant, the nosie from HOLLOW METAL and SOLID METAL is diffrent, this means it's LOW QUALITY metal that could rust easily and brake like a twig.
Having your method is great but the truth is that it's not the only thing that matters, if you want to buy a cheap hookah that dosen't look very good (like this one) go ahead but it's easy to estimate your hookah life span since it will get hurt badly from little falls not like solid stems that don't tend to brake easily.
A Cheap hookah is a cheap hookah, don't expect more.

Plus, im surprised to see that you actully would pay for a cheap low quality hookah but resist the idea of importing high-quality original hookahs for cheap, it seems that you don't really have much exprience since almost every regular hookah smoker i talked with was excited about getting an authentic hookah that smokes great for cheaper than USA's Hookahs.

[kornkitten42]

hhahahhahah i'm not trying to be mean dude.......

but you're talking to the man who has brought new innovation into hookah smoking....

I'm pretty sure that tangy knows what he's doing, what he's talking about and has plenty of experience.

Maybe you should do a bit more research......

[Officer Rod Farva]

Low quality metal vs. high quality metal?...what kind of metal is it made of? Steel? Like I said, Middle-Eastern steel is all crap. There is no difference in the quality of the metal. Everything is in the quality of the construction. Thick steel will rust the same as thin steel.

I only use the most solid hookahs that can be found, when possible, brass, preferably. I recently discovered some massive Egyptian ones, that are solid brass (except for the bell area of the shank, of course). They're out there...nobody wants to import them, distributors don't want to carry them and retailers don't want to sell them. Selling them to people with the price of brass the way it is is the problem. How many people want to spend $120 for a 34" solid brass hookah? Anybody? Not enough to ship a pallet anyways. Solid steel hookahs are only slightly better than the crap the foist off on people currently...brass is the way to go. No offense, but there have been other people that have come along and said "I can save you $20...I can get them directly from..." If you dance off with the loot, where does that leave the buyer? I've never seen one of these deals that didn't end up with several people left upset or short money.

I've seen solid stems that are poorly constructed and very-well constructed hollow stems...I agree it is obviously hollow...but that doesn't lead you to the automatic assumption it is poor quality or a solid one is good quality. I've seen some solid, uncoated steel crap (From Syria, no less) that I wouldn't take as a gift.

If you are so confident that these pipes you have to sell are great, buy twenty of them or so, get twenty prospective buyers and send them to them, free of charge. If they agree that they are good quality, I'm sure they'll send you the money for them. If they don't, then you collect nothing unless you want to pay for them to be shipped back. I mean, you want the members of the Hookah Forum to trust a complete stranger, so I'm sure you can do likewise and trust them...right? If those 20 work out, buy 20 more and do it again. So...OK you won't have a problem selling them, I should think. So, how many people are on board for a guy to send them a free hookah and then they send him they money if they like it and keep it for free if they don't? Who's on board for this one?

Edit: Thanks K.K. You're beautiful...if the thing with your fiancee doesn't work out...give me a call... ;0 Edited May 26, 2007 by Officer Rod Farva

[ghostofdavid]

Having purchased an Egyptian hookah from Sonthert's very own hookah lounge, I will definately say that he knows what he is talking abut. The hookah I received was high quality, but I personally treasure it because a friend bought it from Sonthert (who is also another I would call friend)!

[Officer Rod Farva]

Having purchased an Egyptian hookah from Sonthert's very own hookah lounge, I will definately say that he knows what he is talking abut. The hookah I received was high quality, but I personally treasure it because a friend bought it from Sonthert (who is also another I would call friend)!

Oh, you're sweet! Actually, the hookah you bought from me is average quality and from the same distributor as the one that is being bounced back and forth, here. Probably same manufacturer. Different jar, and yours is a 27".

I hope we can meet like real people one day and shake hands like men are supposed to do (women, too!).

[kornkitten42]

i'll jump in on that deal..... if he's up for it....but i doubt he will.....


BTW tangy- i'll def keep that tid bit in the back of my mind..... you know.... just incase

[Allia22]

How many people want to spend $120 for a 34" solid brass hookah?

If I knew FOR SURE it was a hookah that could easily stand the test of time, I'd be all over that... once I got the fundage. Just gimme 2 weeks If you can't tell, I'm sitting here praying to God, Allah, Buddha, AND Shigeru Miyamoto that HC sold me an older KM >.<

[rootdown]

the "Hafa" KM i bought sucks balls

good luck

[lazria]

I would also pop $120 hands down for a brass pipe. My old orginial pipe was SOILD brass inside, with steel outside. It's slowly dying, but I would kill to get the same stem again from ANYWHERE! From this thread, I've removed the KM from my list of new hookahs; they look nice, but I want lasting power and performance over looks anyday.

PS: I have 2 syrians as well - LOVE THEM TO PIECES! I could litery kill somone with them if I hit them with one of the stems - AND i don't think the stem would even be hurt! LOL! I paid out the bum for them and never doubted myself once!

[MAKCuMG]

OK I'm a bit lost.

The past few weeks KM became the next hookah to get on everyones list. Supposedly the one's sold by HC hit like no other hookah on the market and actually required wide hoses to open up their true "potential".

First everyone praises the "hafa" and the "amer", now, suddenly, they apparently "suck balls", and have been "sucking balls" this whole time.

So are the KMs sold by HC a good investment or not?

[rootdown]

well i wish i could get my money back on this terrible hookah, i'll stick to my other hookahs(older egyptian, a syrian, 2 MyaSaray acrylics, and a Mya QT)

your choice if you want to risk it

[L'Oignon]

OK I'm a bit lost.

The past few weeks KM became the next hookah to get on everyones list. Supposedly the one's sold by HC hit like no other hookah on the market and actually required wide hoses to open up their true "potential".

First everyone praises the "hafa" and the "amer", now, suddenly, they apparently "suck balls", and have been "sucking balls" this whole time.

So are the KMs sold by HC a good investment or not?

Seems about right to me. 6 months - 1 year ago people were buying QTs by the fistful, and now you hardly ever hear anyone talking about them. When you do, it seems people are saying something negative.