Herbal Molasses Really Ok?

[NeedBetterAlias]

Would be interested to hear from anyone who smokes herbal molasses, and who can confirm that it isn't addictive? Have very reluctantly had to quit shisha because of nicotine addiction and don't want to get hooked again, but miss the 'experience'...can I safely smoke the herbal variety?

[xDizzyGuyx]

...You actually got a nic addiction from shisha? Were you smoking washed or unwashed?

And I've heard that herbal stuff isn't all that hot... and you don't know exactly what "herbal" substances are in there.

And that wasn't a drug reference, just saying that you don't know what's in it because it's a secret or some crap

[symptom CY]

I don't know of anyone who smokes it regularly...

What kind of tobacco were you smoking before that you think you got addicted to? Was it washed or unwashed?

[mushrat]

Well, has far as the "herbal" in soex goes, there are no herbs, The first ingredient is actually in Pig Latin and it translates to "sugar cane bagassey" which is the fiber left over when you roll all the sugar water out of sugar cane. Its what's left. My experience has been that if its going to have a good taste at all it will last about 15 to 20 minutes, then it tastes like wood chips. Here's the link to one of the threads...

http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?showt...&hl=ugarsay

Try "soex" in the search engine for more.

Nothin gin it that should be addictive.

[Øskorei]

This seems to be a thread that might be patched into another one.... but anyway. As a cafe smoker seriously looking at importing a couple of hookahs + shisha from the US, I look at the wide selection from (for example) hookahcompany in that they don't mention 'tobacco' in most products, only molassas. I assume these are actually genuine blends, and not tobacco-free varieties. Can someone validate this ?

This is important to me, as my countries customs only allows 250grams tobacco importation - and the shipping on that is over $10US (about $14AU)

So is non-tobacco shisha rare, or common ?

[Scoop]

i tried to make my own mix from green tea leaves...super fail lol. the leaves had a disgusting taste when they burned.

[Uni.]

just purchased some soex water melon and it is nothing compared to the real thing, the flavour wasent really there
and the actualy mix wasent nearly as juicy as it ought to be. but if your bent on not nicinated(spelling= my bad) stuff then
thats the way to go

[ghostofdavid]

Like Mushrat sat, but with my own twist... herbal "tobacco-free" shisha tastes too bad to ever become addictive.

It probably isn't any safer than regular shisha.

[Wyvernis]

herbal molasses can be quite nice, it is helping me stop smoking which is a plus too, but it is simply crushed sugar cane fibres mixed with fruit juices that are reduced down to a syrup. and you can mix in cheap rolling tobacco for a nicotine rush. In England(I'm English BTW) it is cheaper too, £5.50 for 100g ($11 for 100g) when tobacco from the shops costs £13 for 50g ($26 for 50g). If you want to make it yourself follow what i said earlier (even cheaper that way). it is pretty safe too except you get a lack of oxygen to the brain whilst smoking it (but that is obvious and non-life threatening). Edited June 13, 2007 by Wyvernis

[Mapexdrumboi]

herbal molasses can be quite nice, it is helping me stop smoking which is a plus too, but it is simply crushed sugar cane fibres mixed with fruit juices that are reduced down to a syrup. and you can mix in cheap rolling tobacco for a nicotine rush. In England(I'm English BTW) it is cheaper too, £5.50 for 100g ($11 for 100g) when tobacco from the shops costs £13 for 50g ($26 for 50g). If you want to make it yourself follow what i said earlier (even cheaper that way). it is pretty safe too except you get a lack of oxygen to the brain whilst smoking it (but that is obvious and non-life threatening).

Dude where do you buy your shisha from, thats well expensive for 50g, i can get 250g of afzal for £5.95 and can get 250g of nakhla export for £9.99. Just search around on google.co.uk and you will find some shisha at good rate.
Happy Smoking

[Mapexdrumboi]

herbal molasses can be quite nice, it is helping me stop smoking which is a plus too, but it is simply crushed sugar cane fibres mixed with fruit juices that are reduced down to a syrup. and you can mix in cheap rolling tobacco for a nicotine rush. In England(I'm English BTW) it is cheaper too, £5.50 for 100g ($11 for 100g) when tobacco from the shops costs £13 for 50g ($26 for 50g). If you want to make it yourself follow what i said earlier (even cheaper that way). it is pretty safe too except you get a lack of oxygen to the brain whilst smoking it (but that is obvious and non-life threatening).

Dude where do you buy your shisha from, thats well expensive for 50g, i can get 250g of afzal for £5.95 and can get 250g of nakhla export for £9.99. Just search around on google.co.uk and you will find some shisha at good rate.
Happy Smoking

[Mapexdrumboi]

herbal molasses can be quite nice, it is helping me stop smoking which is a plus too, but it is simply crushed sugar cane fibres mixed with fruit juices that are reduced down to a syrup. and you can mix in cheap rolling tobacco for a nicotine rush. In England(I'm English BTW) it is cheaper too, £5.50 for 100g ($11 for 100g) when tobacco from the shops costs £13 for 50g ($26 for 50g). If you want to make it yourself follow what i said earlier (even cheaper that way). it is pretty safe too except you get a lack of oxygen to the brain whilst smoking it (but that is obvious and non-life threatening).

Dude where do you buy your shisha from, thats well expensive for 50g, i can get 250g of afzal for £5.95 and can get 250g of nakhla export for £9.99. Just search around on google.co.uk and you will find some shisha at good rate.
Happy Smoking

[lazria]

it is pretty safe too except you get a lack of oxygen to the brain whilst smoking it (but that is obvious and non-life threatening).

Last time i checked you need O2, a serious lack of can be leathal.

But as to the Herbal... I had a small sample of Soex strawberry.... I finally guessed I would give it a whirl to see how it tastes first hand.

OMG - I thought i was gonna be sick. I've never had shisha make me this ill feeling, that fast. Tasted NOTHING LIKE Strawberry, I can't even begin to polietly describe what it did taste like. *shutter*

You'd have to be smoking ALOT of standard shisha, daily to gain a true nicotine addicition - and then possibly for years!

If you have to give up hookah smoking due to a "nicotine" addicition, then give it up entirely - don't waste money w/ the herbal.

[Sonthert]

I would postulate that a large amount of the health risks associated with smoking hookah come from burning charcoal. So, unless you convert to solar powered-hookah, its health risks remain real.

[Calcartman]

I would postulate that a large amount of the health risks associated with smoking hookah come from burning charcoal. So, unless you convert to solar powered-hookah, its health risks remain real.

Hmm, perhaps i could simply take my torch and heat the bowl...

Or maybe run some hot wiring through the bowl, and connect it to a power supply, and thus heat the bowl from the inside.

[Scoop]

inhaling anything that burns is a health risk. the smoke kills antibodies in your saliva and obviously can manipulate the dna in your cells to create cancerous cells.

[Sonthert]

But, hookah tobacco doesn't burn. Cigarettes and cigars burn, they are reduced to ash. Their structure has been destroyed and what remains is broken down base elements. Hookah tobacco, although dried out, isn't ash...unless you smoke your tobacco differently than I mine. Nor would herbal sheesha. They have electrical heaters for hookahs that work for shit. Its a control problem...how are you going to control your electric wires...how are you going to moderate the heat?

[Allia22]

In theory it doesn't sound like it'd be that hard to do, but many on the forums have tried and failed

[Wyvernis]

smoke doesn't manipulate your cells unless it is a carcenagetic material and herbal mollases has no carcenagetic materails. Making herbal mollases is harder than it sounds. If i was going to make an electrical heating system the best way would be open wiring at high voltage (still pretty stupid in my eyes though), then using a extreme heat proof mat with holes in it above the tobbacco, hopefully the heat would pass through the holes to create a source of ignition for a good smoke Edited June 16, 2007 by Wyvernis

[Johnny_D]

smoke doesn't manipulate your cells unless it is a carcenagetic material and herbal mollases has no carcenagetic materails.

Care to site sources Wyvernis?

How would anyone really know - tobacco has been smoked for centuries. We pritty much know what the effects can be.

Can't say the same for Sugar Cane?

JD

[oggie505#2]

Care to site sources Wyvernis?

How would anyone really know - tobacco has been smoked for centuries. We pritty much know what the effects can be.

Can't say the same for Sugar Cane?

JD

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[tj154906]

I've smoked herbal shisha only once, and I can confidently say that I'd like to keep it that way. It tasted like dookie and made me feel sickly. I avoid it at all costs.

[Sonthert]

A number of foods...maybe even most of things we eat on a regular daily basis contain carcinogens, poisons and heavy metals...yet we don't die. If it isn't bitter it isn't likely to kill you. Assume things are safe until people who scientifically study things say they aren't safe. Don't just assume everything is dangerous until its proven safe. You can't do that alot of times. Nobody can really prove that aspirin is safe...we assume it to be so because most people don't get sick from it and its been around for more than 100 years.

Edit:in fact, there is no way to scientifically prove something is safe...we can only fail to prove the opposite, i.e. we fail to show its its dangerous...thats whay implies its safe. Science operates on rejecting the hypothesis and failing to reject the hypothesis.

If you said..."We don't know its safe", "It contains carcinogens or heavy metals", and you didn't eat/drink it, you would starve to death...a little after you died of thirst. Its almost all "contaminated" in some way. A little doesn't do much, a lot will kill you. Toothpaste contains fluoride, which is a deadly poison. Cooked meats contain carcinogens, Vegetables, fruits and water contain heavy metals. Organically grown stuff is bullshit too...the most dangerous things to the human body are still there...it contains no growth hormones and isn't genetically manipulated...but yet we don't die...consuming carcinogens and poisons at every meal! Every time we drink water...even bottled water.

Here's a primer for living. Experience is the best teacher. If alot of people eat it, its probably safe to eat. If someone tells you something, disbelieve it until they can prove it clearly.

If we assume smoking hookah is bad for you, then we would assume (perhaps incorrectly) that the most chemically active area is the genesis of carcinogens and poisons...the charcoal...hottest, most chemically active its chemically changing. In cigarettes, since we actually burn tobacco, the burning tobacco is the most active area. If thats true, herbal sheesha or tobacco makes no difference, the charcoal is the offending party. On the other hand, we might highly question whether herbal cigarettes are safer, because the active chemical area is different...in herbal and tobacco sheeshas...its the same. Edited June 17, 2007 by Sonthert

[Wyvernis]

my sources are my own, if sugar cane was higly dangerous we would have died long ago as the sugar we eat is covered in sugar cane smoke as they use the used cane to heat the places. but if i die from it i will let you know