Rapmaster Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Even though I wash my hose before and after every use, it's too scummy. I run water through it until it is clear, then bend the hose in 1 inch segments (you hear a cracking) and about 20x more ash comes out. I do that about 8 times and ash still comes out. The icky taste will not go away. Is there anything else I can do? Like maybe a cleaning solution? Or do I need a new hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Not sure about a solution, but firstly, was that hose made to be washable? Because if not, might as well throw that sucker away. I think that nasty flavor gets absorbed into the pleather type material when water gets through it, and won't go away. I have heard some people use alcohol to rinse it, then let it sit out and dry for a few days, then they bang it around on the floor and blow it out but I just don't know if it will get rid of that taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOKE~N~BUBBLZ Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 You seem to have a lot of crap in your hose, try to "crack" it or hit it against something then blow it out, do this behore adding water because then you are helping it stick more. From what you are telling us i recomend a new hose. And you should blow it out and clean it more often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapmaster Posted June 18, 2005 Author Share Posted June 18, 2005 I do think I need a new hose, but am currently broke How often should I clean it out? I clean it before and after, I thikn I maybe just got lazy once before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 [quote name='Rapmaster']I do think I need a new hose, but am currently broke How often should I clean it out? I clean it before and after, I thikn I maybe just got lazy once before.[/quote] I have an idea. If you want a new hose on the cheap, may I suggest going to Home Depot, go into their plumbing isle, and if you can't find the tubing, just ask someone. But look for a rubber/plastic type of clear tubing. They have different sizes. I believe mine is 3/4" in diameter or something. The nice thing about using this is that its extreamily easy to wash it out. No ash will get stuck in this tubing, and you can buy it in 10' or 20' increments. I like to buy the 20' hose, chop it into 7' sections and use that for about a month, then just toss it and use a new section. The 10' section of hose costs only $2.99. This is just what I do, since I too destroyed a few $20.00 hoses and needed another one on the cheap. I haven't used anything since. I'll post a picture of the hose in my hookah so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about, and the way I put it in the hookah hose nozzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 If not wash your hose out with some lemon juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 The lemon joice works great on my hoses. I plug the end, pour in the lemon joice, plug the other end and swish it back and forth for a while. Run plenty of water through it. wring it around outside to remove excess water and hang to dry. As for the crap in your hose. Didn't i read around here someplace that the non-washable hoses have metal springs in them to give them shape? Is it possible that you are rusting out the springs and THATS whats producing all the crap thats coming out of your hose? Probably give the foul taste as wel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapmaster Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Thing is, I'm fairly certain it's washable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Well, that sucks. I'd try a little of everything then. Smack it around to loosen up the caked on crud, then hit it with the lemon juice. I've been thinking (a dangerous thing for me) about the possibility of getting a thin steel rod, afixing some sort of cord with little knots in it juuuust big enough to fit into the hole and using that as a hose reamer. Kinda like an old gun cleaning cord. Hmmm.... Good luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 hey, hookendo has a point in his "tips" topic. If you are washing the hose BEFORE you smoke it may be causing the smoke particles to stick to the inside of your hose. This MAY be part of your build-up problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bintang Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Yashman19']I have an idea. If you want a new hose on the cheap, may I suggest going to Home Depot, go into their plumbing isle, and if you can't find the tubing, just ask someone. But look for a rubber/plastic type of clear tubing. They have different sizes. I believe mine is 3/4" in diameter or something. The nice thing about using this is that its extreamily easy to wash it out. No ash will get stuck in this tubing, and you can buy it in 10' or 20' increments. I like to buy the 20' hose, chop it into 7' sections and use that for about a month, then just toss it and use a new section. The 10' section of hose costs only $2.99. This is just what I do, since I too destroyed a few $20.00 hoses and needed another one on the cheap. I haven't used anything since. I'll post a picture of the hose in my hookah so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about, and the way I put it in the hookah hose nozzle.[/quote] Hey, not a bad idea - I was needing to replace my old hose and decided to check out Lowes. I ended up getting a length of tubing (1/2" outside diameter) and a connecter to turn my single hose hookah into a double. Hookahnstein: She's not a looker, but it works better than I expected, and at under $4, it was cheap and effective There was a slight "plastic" taste to it towards the end, but it wasn't overpowering. On another note does anyone know if there's any reason (health-wise) not to use vinyl tubing like this? If not, I think I'll be sticking with this - easy to clean (or see when it needs to be cleaned), no need for a grommet, adaptable (can easily be used as a single or a double), and decidedly cost effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 As a matter of fact, I know for sure that there are serious health risks with vinyl, and many other types of plastics. The chemicals leach out of the plastic especially when introduced to heat, and other substances. the plastic taste you are experiencing is probably said chemicals. I wouldnt use the plastic hose. After all a good mya saray hose is only 5$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='John Deere']As a matter of fact, I know for sure that there are serious health risks with vinyl, and many other types of plastics. The chemicals leach out of the plastic especially when introduced to heat, and other substances. the plastic taste you are experiencing is probably said chemicals. I wouldnt use the plastic hose. After all a good mya saray hose is only 5$.[/quote] So what kind of heat reaches your hose? I know my coals are a good 2 feet away from my hose. And I don't remember ever tasting a "plasticey" taste when I use my hose similar to that one in the pic, so maybe they are made with different materials. Just saying that I do agree with you in that when putting heat on a hose like that, yes it might be releasing harsh as hell chemicals, but heat never has a chance to reach the hose. I think we should be safe at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 There is not enough heat reaching the hose to separate the chemicals. If the smoke is that hot by the time it reaches the hose you will definately feelt the hotness in your mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I never said the heat was reaching the hose. I simply stated that "heat and other substances" released chemicals from plastic. I was just giving examples. If you want to play with fire, thats all you. I have done a lot of research on plastics, and some can be dangerous for eating and drinking from, and smoking out of them, I think, would fall under the same catagory. Vinyl, PVC, and polyurethane are among those plastics which chemicals can be leached from. Thats why your not supposed to reuse water bottles, and thats also why they dont use plastic pipes for water transportation, which by the way, last time I checked, tap water didnt come out warm. All I'm saying Is that I know there wont be any chemicals coming out of a leather hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='John Deere']I never said the heat [i]was[/i] reaching the hose. I simply stated that "heat and other substances" released chemicals from plastic. I was just giving examples. If you want to play with fire, thats all you. I have done a lot of research on plastics, and some can be dangerous for eating and drinking from, and smoking out of them, I think, would fall under the same catagory. Vinyl, PVC, and polyurethane are among those plastics which chemicals can be leached from. Thats why your not supposed to reuse water bottles, and thats also why they dont use plastic pipes for water transportation, which by the way, last time I checked, tap water didnt come out warm. All I'm saying Is that I know there wont be any chemicals coming out of a leather hose.[/quote] I don’t know what kind of extensive research you have done but apparently you have been told wrong. PVC and CPVC are used for water pipes in a house and yes people do drink out of them. CPVC can carry hot water that is 200 F i guess if you wanted to you could try to drink it but you might get burned. The reason yall don’t use pvc up there in Michigan is because its so damn cold. Plastic does not have the strength that metal does. Up there you all have to worry about pipes freezing. Polyurethane, well people use that to put as a clear coat on their kitchen tables and eat off of it. Maybe you don’t use Tupperware in the microwave, or even saran wrap but the FDA says its safe. There is that turkey in the bag thing that you can put in the oven and cook it. The only way plastics are harmful is if a solvent dissolves it (I would be more scared of the solvent than the plastic), an acid dissolves it, or it is melted. Now if you ingest plastic chips that might be harmful but that is not what we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='John Deere']The chemicals leach out of the plastic especially when introduced to heat, and other substances. I wouldnt use the plastic hose.[/quote] [quote name='John Deere']I never said the heat was reaching the hose. I simply stated that "heat and other substances" released chemicals from plastic.[/quote] Sorry, I'm not trying to annoy you but I just want to make sure you realize what you did say. If we are talking about his plastic hose which he uses to smoke from, and you say the chemicals leach out of the plastic especially when introduced to heat, doesn't that mean your are talking about his plastic hose getting heat? Thats why you are telling him you wouldn't use it? Cause the chemicals will be released due to some heat? Really, I don't mean to beat a dead horse, just looking for clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Actually...SOME plastics DO outgas "natuarally". Tupperware may be ok to microwave because its designed to be, but not all other plastic containers are. Many plastics outgas when exposed to light. PVC is one of these I believe, thats why you BURY your pipes or set them in your wall. When exposed to light, especially sunlight, they outgas, which changes their chemical structure and they break. Also pvc and vinyl get brittle with age. Thats why your vinyl hoses get stiff after a while, they have outgassed certain chemicals and changed chemically. If you happen to be sucking on them while they are slowly ageing, guess where these chemicals are going friends. [url="http://www.drlindaberry.com/news_articles/microplastic.html"]http://www.drlindaberry.com/news_articles/microplastic.html more relivant: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_chloride"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_chl...yvinyl_chloride[/url]://http://www.drlindaberry.com/news_ar...yl_chloride[/url]://http://www.drlindaberry.com/news_ar...yl_chloride://http://www.drlindaberry.com/news_ar...yl_chloride [url="http://www.ejnet.org/plastics/pvc/%5b/url"]]http://www.ejnet.org/plastics/pvc/[/url]://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvi...astics/pvc/ Remember...they used to use LEAD in your pipes at one time and told you they were safe....[img]http://www.hookahforum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif[/img] Then again we are SMOKING. So why worry about a little plasitc fumes. [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif[/img] $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bintang Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Well that sucks I may wait until this contraption wears out and then ditch the plastic. My brother's (real) double-hose hookah should be arriving today anyways, so I guess it's not that big of a deal...I'll just get a "proper" single for mine eventually. Thanks for the information all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 And for a more reader friendly source: Has to do with why your vinyl garden hose has a "do not drink from" warning. [url="http://www.ems.org/nws/pf.php?p=779"]http://www.ems.org/nws/pf.php?p=779[/url] a quick quote: Lead leaching into hose water can come from the vinyl (PVC) material used to make hose or from brass nozzles on hoses. In producing PVC, lead is often added as a stabilizer. In sunshine, lead in hose water is a particular concern, as heat can cause hoses to leach even higher levels of lead. I think some folks owe ole JD an appology... (never get a research type historian on a mission ) $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Exerpt from: [url="http://www.ems.org/endocrine_disruptors/pr/hcwh.00.07.13.pdf"]http://www.ems.org/endocrine_disruptors/pr...wh.00.07.13.pdf[/url] The chemical is DEHP (di-ethylhexyl phthalate) and it is used to make polyvinyl chloride (PVCor vinyl) medical products soft and flexible. In addition to use in the manufacture of medical products, the chemical is used in other vinyl products; including floorings, wall coverings,furniture, luggage and children's toys. The threat of exposure is high from some medical procedures because DEHP leaches from vinyl medical products because it is not chemically bonded to the plastic. HCWH’s report focuses on critically ill infants as the most threatened population because multiple medical interventions may require using devices that have been shown to leach DEHP. Higher exposure for sick infants comes from neonatal intensive care units filled with vinyl products. Blood bags, respiratory masks, [color="#990033"]oxygen tubing, IV bags and tubing, feeding bags and tubing, mattress covers, examination gloves, and patient identification bracelets are among the many products commonly manufactured that use DEHP to soften the vinyl.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Thanks mushrat. Occasionally, I do know what I'm talking about. And actually here in michigan, FYI we DO use PVC pipes for water transportation.....but its the water that ends up in the sewage system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Well, in my case it would be the septic field in the front yard, because we dont live in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Over here PVC is used for drinking water. Not only in homes but also some water mains. The point i was trying to make was specifically toward the drinking water. But if we are going to be more specific about plastics and their harmfullness how many people cook on teflon coated pans. Have yall ever read the wanings when you buy the pan. As far as drinking from a water hose, I think I would be more worried from a bacterial or a viral infection then the minute traces if lead that might come out of the brass fittings. But if you think about it, if you have copper pipes in your house there are brass fiting on it. Some if not most faucets have brass fitings on it too. If we are going to worry about every little things that would or could cause harm to the body we might as well shoot ourselvse. The things we eat, the air we breathe, the water we drink. The list is neverending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I give up. </discussion> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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