John Deere Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 After all this talk of filling the bowl to the top, I decided to give it a shot. I filled the bowl all the way to the top, and I covered it with foil and poked holes in it haphazardly. I put one peice of quicklight charcoal on it, just like they did the first time I had a smoked a hookah at the middle eastern restaurant. It is not burning AT ALL. The smoke is as thick as ever, and it even tastes better than usual. There is no harshness at all. I am astonished. as soon as I finish it, Ill let everyone know how long it lasted. this is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 The Leboneese restaraunt I go to overfills theirs. I usually dont have any problems either. At home I dont do so because I use Nour and it tends to roll off. Quicklights and natural coal work great in that type of set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 2 hours with 2 quicklights. I think this is pretty good, considering how little effort I put forth. I didnt even touch the coal except to put on a new one. Didnt burn at all, and the ma'assel cake was fused to the foil, so I dont understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alen Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 think i got something to do tonight -thanks for the advice sounds well worth to try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runride Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 how tight did u pack the bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidal105 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Nice! I will definitely try it myself now cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAP Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Waste too much ma'assel this way. You only get like less than half of what you would normally get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 It doesnt waste it, I put double the amount as usual, and got double the time, so its hardly wasted. About the packing, I packed it enough to stay together,but loose enough for air flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Yeah, when I heard EVERYONE on this forum pretty much only packs the bowl a little more than halfway, I was sort of amazed. My friend taught me how to pack a bowl a few years ago, and I've been filling it all the way to the top ever since. I make sure I pack it loosely. I don't keep packing it down, and it has always worked for me. I understand peoples reasons for thinking that the coals will burn the tobacco much easier than if you leave a nice gap, but it never came up for me. Ohh well. Guess this might be a growing trend now huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I got a bowl that packs about 20-25 grams to the top of it and I get about 2.5 hours of smoke. I wont overfill that baby. I dont need any longer than that. But for some of the smaller bowled people that could work out. Just try and see if you like it. If you do then you are set. If not then oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 Yeah, I don't think I could do much more than 2 hours. I have this "party bowl" and If I overfilled that.....I'd be here all day. But the regular sized head works good for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Bubble Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Knew a fellow in Egypt named Georges (pronounced Gerges) who would do that with Nakhla double apple. He would then make huge rips in the foil with his tongs and lay 2 round quick light style coals on it. It didn't burn, but it did create a vey hot feeling smoke and the liccorice would turn sour in you throat and then the buzz was amazing! I'm doing a Gerges style double apple right now and it is a trip down memory lane! I'm blinded in a "white-out" with all this thick smoke! MR Bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alen Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 well it worked out well here too and about how much you pack your tobacco well you can always do the (blow the bowl trick) then you allways knows if you have the right airflow-keep up the good work i think its great with ppl going in for trying different methods when it comes to smoking the hookah -there is allways things to learn and this was new to me thanks alot J.D Alen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookaman Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 [b]CRAZY IDEA![/b] you guys, i know this is going to sound crazy, lol, but what would happen if you dont poke any holes in the foil? I mean, i know the holes are to let air in or something, but has anyone ever thought of only poking 2-4 holes or none at all? And how would it affect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 No holes = no air flow. You need at least some sort to be able to puff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Deere Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 Your welcome alen. Its working out really good for me. I'm going to have to experiment with this some more. As for no holes, lets not get TOO crazy. If your hookah is airtight, which it should be, then no air is coming out of that hose without holes, and especially not smoke. Air has to pass through the head (via the holes) to collect smoke. Sorry to burst your bubble hookahman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookaman Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 lol so does that mean if i put more holes, ill get more smoke? or i was thinking too much then dry air will mix with the smoke and affect the flavor, and too little wont produce enough smoke, am i right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 [quote name='hookaman']lol so does that mean if i put more holes, ill get more smoke? or i was thinking too much then dry air will mix with the smoke and affect the flavor, and too little wont produce enough smoke, am i right?[/quote] Just think that if you poke MORE holes, then more heat and air will flow through. If you poke too many holes, it will almost be as if you are putting the coals directly ontop of the tobacco. Too many holes will let too much heat in. This isn't rocket science. Just experiment with your bowl. Somewhere along the lines, you will find what works best for you. Not everyone is going to be exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seandoo Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I read that the ma'assel fused to the foil and crisped to black when packing the bowl pretty full, correct? With my experience last week using GS AF Esk (my fav now ) I was getting massive massive clouds though it was only about halfway to 3/4 full. My bowl is wider than a lot that I've seen (but not massive), holds about 20-25 grams, so maybe this has something to do with something. When I broke down the hookah after using it for a good hour or so and trying to see each other at the poker table through the thick, pure-white smoke, the bowl had a nice round clump of shisha (is that word interchangable with ma'assel? I've seen it used that way so many times) that was like a thick, wet pancake mushed together at the bottom that wasn't black or crisped to anything at all. I don't know if it's the quality and wetness of the AF GS shisha or if it's because the coal wasn't too close, but it definately wasn't burned. My two cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seandoo Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Would the pure white smoke attribute to the quality of the ma'assel or the way the bowl is packed? I know I've packed a few relatively full bowls of Nakhla (a lower grade brand to me, though not to all) and Saet Safa, where the smoke was tinted slightly brown. Not sure if it's because of the stuff itself or how it's being evaporated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Oh I dont know about the light brown thing. It could either be your coal or tobacco or a combo of both. All I know that I am happy with AF and with a thick white cloud with nour coal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mo Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 If you get black tobacco stuck to the foil, then it will mess up. Most shisha places I go to will fill it up, and you will get a great smoke etc etc, but you'll have to mess with it alot more to try to get the best out of it. It is not a consistent smooth smoke. You will get harshness alot more, and you certainly won't get the flavour that you will get if the bowl is filled about 3/4. I fill my bowl quite high, but literally just below the rim. With experience, you'll find that very little, if not tobacco will stick to the foil when you remove it at the end. This gives optimum flavour and amazing smoke. I totally disagree with filling the bowl too much. It is a waste of tobacco. One time I was in a shisha place, when they bought me the shisha before the coals, I removed about half the tobacco and kept it on the side, when the first batch was done, I removed the burnt stuff, and put in the fresh stuff. I got literally far better flavour, and a longer net smoke than my friends who didn't do it. It was a pretty cheap-ass thing to do , but I don't see why I should pay for a shisha that will not be as good as it could be. when you make the head, have a bunch of tobacco in your palm, then using your thumb and 2 fingers, feed the tobacco from your palm into them, and seperate the tobacco in a sprinkling manner all around the head. Once you're almost to the top, make sure there are no tobacco bits protruding, so you can push them down a little, but you'll get the optimum smoke. on a side note, I'll be posting today to all the people I PMed, sorry about the delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alen Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 yeah thank mo man- little off topic maybe but i also have a q for you and maybe you can help me -my bossman has bougt some tumbeki in turkey i know its a very strong tobacco without any molasses -do you know anything about that ? i mean i must atleast give it a try when i got it but i dont know sh*t how to ? rince it with water -no screen -do i need a special bowl all help would be great Thanks Alen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I thought the bowl that you use is the one with the big hole down the center as opposed to the one we use with regular ma'assel, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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