I Was Thinking

[racemyghost]

Apparently, tangiers smokes best with a phunnel w/o the mod. Why? because its really wet and the juices collect.

Non-tangiers smokes best with phunnel w/ mod. Why? THATS WHERE MY IDEA COMES IN.

Brands like Al Fakher and Layalina (cant claim others because i only smoke those 2 brands) are extremely wet. I dont see how everyone can connect the 2 together.

Tangiers = Wet. Juices collect and smoke is great
AF or Layalina = Wet. Juices ALSO collect and smoke is great.

Why is a mod needed if all above brands are wet as hell? (i can understand why a mod would be useful with Nakhla and other dry brands)

Just something to think about and possible put an end to this whole misconception.

[MechAnt]

Well you have to also consider, using the phunnel and mod will save one LOTS of shisha. You can smoke with relatively little shisha in it and still get clouds and great flavor. Tangiers you have to load up otherwise you'll get nauseated and stuff

[racemyghost]

the difference with the amount of shisha you are saving is very minimal.

You do not have to fill up with non-tangiers but smokes even better when you do.

[Sonthert]

Well, you use the mod if you don't like filling the bowl up all the way. If you fill the bowl up, no matter what the brand, a mod isn't that necessary, as I understand how those infernal contraptions work. Also, the juices vary between brands. Some juices are watery (from water), Tangiers tends to be thicker (more glycerine). Edited August 16, 2007 by Sonthert

[racemyghost]

Thats true, but Al Fakher is definitely not watery. Its rather thick and sticky. I usually do fill up to the top. So in my case, a mod is not needed?

[MechAnt]

Nope. Its all up to you.

[SafeSearchOff]

 Some juices are watery (from water), Tangiers tends to be thicker (more glycerine).

don't you mean liquidous?

also, i use my mod for everything but tangiers, just cuz it seems to make more sense. it "forces" the air to flow through the tobacco first.

[racemyghost]

so why wouldnt you want to "force" the air through tangiers?

[oggie505#2]

I have 2 glass mods, but do not even use them anymore. I have come to the conclusion the whole air passing through the shisha with the mod is a farce. What makes the smoke is the heat from the coals and the warming of the bowl. The reason I have some to this is once I put no holes directly over the shisha and the phunnel still smoked fine

[ReverieForest]

I put no holes directly over the shisha and the phunnel still smoked fine

As in you only put holes over the phunnel hole? Please clarify.
I'm curious: due to the fact that I've never smoked with my phunnel without the mod, is the principle to making it work to pull the foil as tought as possible to prevent the coals from pressing down and creating a seal between the phunnel hole and shisha?

[Halon2]

I put no holes directly over the shisha and the phunnel still smoked fine

As in you only put holes over the phunnel hole? Please clarify.
I'm curious: due to the fact that I've never smoked with my phunnel without the mod, is the principle to making it work to pull the foil as tought as possible to prevent the coals from pressing down and creating a seal between the phunnel hole and shisha?

Yes, to the best of my knowledge that's exactly what the mod does. I've never used a mod, tho. Before I poke holes, I push the foil down in the center of the phunnel. If you do it hard enough, you'll get a circular impression of where the phunnel comes up in the middle. I poke holes all along this circle, and if done properly it creates a gap on both sides of the inside rim so the ever-so-common seal cannot be made.
Seems to work well every time. You do need to pull the foil tight again after creating the indent, tho.


TYLER

[Johnny_D]

The MOD does offer one usefull thing is nothing else.

It helps lift the coals from the tobacco. I often found that because of the sheer size of the mod
that when you add your coals it naturally drops down.

the MOD helps prevent this and helps give a little clearance from tobacco to foil.

JD

[ReverieForest]

I'll give that a try...see how it works. Thanks for the explanation, Halon.

[NoDeadBodies]

The MOD does offer one usefull thing is nothing else.

It helps lift the coals from the tobacco. I often found that because of the sheer size of the mod
that when you add your coals it naturally drops down.

the MOD helps prevent this and helps give a little clearance from tobacco to foil.

JD

word

it prevents burning just the top layer of shisha while the bottom would remain moist....with the mod it helps air flow through the bottom aswell plus there is no need to load a whole bowl just to get air flow (i used to have to wedge a toothpick under the foil over the whole to get air to flow, i guess i could have poked a hole...im rambling

[Gaara]

Well you have to also consider, using the phunnel and mod will save one LOTS of shisha. You can smoke with relatively little shisha in it and still get clouds and great flavor. Tangiers you have to load up otherwise you'll get nauseated and stuff

But to get enough flavor and clouds with a phunnel, you have to pack the Shisha.

On top of that, you waste a lot of money on coals. You have to use more on a phunnel to get clouds instead of using just one 3K on a traditional bowl.

People think that you save money because the Shisha lasts longer but don't put the added coal use and Shisha packaging into the equation. You actually lose money with the Phunnel IMO.

[racemyghost]

Well you have to also consider, using the phunnel and mod will save one LOTS of shisha. You can smoke with relatively little shisha in it and still get clouds and great flavor. Tangiers you have to load up otherwise you'll get nauseated and stuff

But to get enough flavor and clouds with a phunnel, you have to pack the Shisha.

On top of that, you waste a lot of money on coals. You have to use more on a phunnel to get clouds instead of using just one 3K on a traditional bowl.

People think that you save money because the Shisha lasts longer but don't put the added coal use and Shisha packaging into the equation. You actually lose money with the Phunnel IMO.

that may be true about losing money but the flavor is just not the same when you compare your traditional bowl to a phunnel.

Ask yourself this when you smoke, do you want to enjoy the smoke or just smoke it because...

[NoDeadBodies]

i find it way easier to manage heat on the phunnel, but its all personal preference, there is no truly better bowl between the two

[thirdking]

I was wondering about this, because I recently got a medium phunnel with the mod from hookahcompany, and I find that it's really hard to get smoke at all when I use the mod.

At first I thought that I was putting too many holes in, but in a another session I put less in and it got so hard to pull that it was useless. After that I tried just using the phunnel, and putting a circle of toothpick holes all the way through the shisha, one hole in the center, and 2 33mm 3king coals. I it works pretty well, but you have to use 2 coals and a lot more shisha than I'm used to. It feels like a waste. I'm almost ready to go back to my regular bowl.

If anybody knows anything I could try I would really appreciate it.

[hookah hippie]

The point about wasting money on coals
Would you still waste money if you used pricer shisha such as Fumari or Starbuzz
Because you would save more of the expensive tobacco and the bowl would last longer
and also if you use cheaper coals it doesn't seem like you would lose much money if any

[Allia22]

Bleh, things like coals are things you have to splurge on. That or else you pay the price. (Rolland QLs, anyone?)

[racemyghost]

I stand behind my whole theory.

Past 2 nights, i did an experiment. My friends were the guinee (sp?) pigs (dont tell them that,lol). First night, i packed AF mango with the mod. 2nd night, i packed AF mango without the mod. First night, good hits, good flavor, didnt last as long. 2nd night, excellent hits, full flavor, and damn, after 2hours of smoking, it was still moist and red. Asked them which session was better, they all agreed to the 2nd night.

I packed it just like you would with tangiers. I mixed the shisha in the tub, packed it to the rim, let it accimlate (in the bowl) and started the session. Took about 5-10mins for it to properly start cooking and hitting like crazy.

Now my new question is, what shall i do with the mod? lol