Boomhauer Being Immature To The Last.

[sznapsy]

I agree with sympton CY, but I think this is dead and beaten with a hammer, I have expressed this and there is no point. It is 100% clear that it isn't the mods fault at all, and this is completely out of there hands. They have done us an awesome job keeping these forums consitant and clean. We are starting to get hostile towards the mods when its clearly not there fault. I bet you some of the mods have even purchased from PYH, its just not up to them in this situation, so they are getting sick of hearing everyone bitch (excuse my french) about something they have absolutely no control over.

[Johnny_D]

Why would it be locked? The closest it's come to being uncivil is mushrat telling people to shutup and JD's prejudicial suggestions...

Well I guess the original post was a little off, but it was just too funny...

If anything this should be moved to the serious discussion forum... aka THE DRAMA MINE.

Hold on.

My WHAT?!

I thought it was fairly resonable and thought out.

JD

edit :- I forgot i added that line. Yes That was probably a bit out of order. I think I was trying to make a point... I think I missed the mark.

[symptom CY]

Sorry JD, I didn't mean to suggest that you were out of line -- I meant that it could be taken that way by someone struggling to find something "uncivil" about this thread. I was referring to the comment about Americans being dumb... and yeah I did read it carefully enough to realize that even if you were being entirely serious, you only went so far as to say that this thread would support that stereotype. And actually, I agree.

sznapsy: I guess I'm most interested in finding out why mushrat seems to agree with PYH being banned. I get that it might be unavoidable, but why agree with it? Edited August 24, 2007 by symptom CY

[samildanach]

I like Persian Perversion shat all over the forum... and then came back to respond to someone pooing on him. Teehee.

At least Johnny D and I can defend the Zionist Regime opposition-free now.

+5218562482461452 to Calcartman's concluding sentences.

dont be too sure.. lol

[DrunkenWizard]

Damn, it's that time of the month already???!!!! Seems like drama comes around a lot these days. You may not like the rules, but if you wanna be here you got to follow them.

[mushrat]

OY!

[hookah hippie]

Well I am not going to through my two cents in on this topic. Instead I will offer all people of the forum some free advice. Why don't you spark up a bowl and forget about this pretty pointless thread.

[EvansLight]

Wow im gone dealing with drama in my life and i come back to this XD I don't even know what happened, but from what ive read on it what happened happened. From what i know about it HK had there reasons for banning PYH, plus are we forgetting how much he screwed everyone over? I mean yea he came back eventually said bad things happened, and blah blah blah. But i like the idea of keeping past offenders at arms reach just in case things go bad.

Either that or the alcohol ive been consuming through the day is making me ramble on about random crap. But the situation was taken care of.

And time for EL's personal opinion not to be taken as what the mods think and agree on, but just my ramblings while tipsy:

This is a forum for discussion of hookah, that has evolved into much more. But the bigger we get the more we tend to have problems. I agree with JD that the biggest problem is from the vendors and the rules not being crystal clear. I personally think we should redo how the vendors work on the forums. How i dont know, im too tipsy to think for sure.

*TAKE THIS POST LIGHTLY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EL HAS BEEN TIPSY IN A FEW YEARS!! YES I CAN DRINK ALCOHOL AGAIN!! WOOT!!*

[ASUSEAN1]

This is a forum for discussion of hookah, that has evolved into much more. But the bigger we get the more we tend to have problems. I agree with JD that the biggest problem is from the vendors and the rules not being crystal clear. I personally think we should redo how the vendors work on the forums. How i dont know, im too tipsy to think for sure.

How about a vendor section. where vendors can post whatever they want in it, and not allow them to post anywhere else.

[lilbrownindian]

This is a forum for discussion of hookah, that has evolved into much more. But the bigger we get the more we tend to have problems. I agree with JD that the biggest problem is from the vendors and the rules not being crystal clear. I personally think we should redo how the vendors work on the forums. How i dont know, im too tipsy to think for sure.

How about a vendor section. where vendors can post whatever they want in it, and not allow them to post anywhere else.

+1 that would def make this place a happy one

[symptom CY]

I think it would be fine if vendors had to pay for a vendor account -- it would work pretty much how the premium accounts work now. Under "Group" it would say "Vendor" or "Vendor Affiliate" or something like that. I'm not really for placing too many restrictions on the vendors... I'd rather take steps to encourage members of the forum to realize that a particular member is a vendor and judge their posts for themselves. Actually, a vendor section would be nice for strictly promotional announcements and the like, but I don't think I would restrict vendors from chiming in in other sections. Overtly labeling them as vendors should be sufficient, I'd think.

[EvansLight]

The problem really comes when vendors try and side step this and do things like create dummy accounts to try and push there product.

That, and the occasional reason the mods can't indulge for whatever reason (request of the people involved, inside info, or something were not even supposed to know, or something that would give away some of the tactics we use to keep this place from having to deal with that).

But for the most part, i think theres not much that can be done to fully fix this. No matter what new rules we make, or take away, drama is going to happen here. Its human nature to disagree. From reasons people are banned, to inter forum drama, no one subject is going to escape drama when people differ in opinions. No matter where you go drama will follow.

[ASUSEAN1]

This is a forum for discussion of hookah, that has evolved into much more. But the bigger we get the more we tend to have problems. I agree with JD that the biggest problem is from the vendors and the rules not being crystal clear. I personally think we should redo how the vendors work on the forums. How i dont know, im too tipsy to think for sure.

How about a vendor section. where vendors can post whatever they want in it, and not allow them to post anywhere else.

+1 that would def make this place a happy one

exactly. and el, i can see how it wouldn't completely fix the problem but it sure as would help.. and we might as well step in the right direction

[symptom CY]

The problem really comes when vendors try and side step this and do things like create dummy accounts to try and push there product.

That, and the occasional reason the mods can't indulge for whatever reason (request of the people involved, inside info, or something were not even supposed to know, or something that would give away some of the tactics we use to keep this place from having to deal with that).

But for the most part, i think theres not much that can be done to fully fix this. No matter what new rules we make, or take away, drama is going to happen here. Its human nature to disagree. From reasons people are banned, to inter forum drama, no one subject is going to escape drama when people differ in opinions. No matter where you go drama will follow.

If the aforementioned changes were implemented, how would this be any more or less a problem than it is now? We already have ways of dealing with dummy accounts and I don't see why we'd have to handle things any differently if there was a vendor account system. It'd be pretty much the same as it is now, except members identified as vendors would be clearly labeled as such and made to pay for the privilege of advertisement.

And seriously people... what is up with all this talk about drama? It's become some kind of internet catch-phrase criticism for putting down any kind of discussion involving firm ideas and convictions. The obsessions and complaining surrounding this label brings about even more drama than the discussion at hand. It's one thing for people to become over-emotional when it comes to these kinds of things because it can degrade the quality of the discussion, but are we all really so accustomed to living in apathy that a serious discussion of the innerworkings of this forum is somehow condemnable as "drama?"

For the record, I'm not engaging this issue simply because I'm angry that Billy is no longer a part of the forum. Actually, I have no real reason to stick up for him -- he screwed me over as much as he did John. He hired me to do graphics for the website, and when I finished he just kinda disappeared without delivering the promised compensation for my two weeks of work. But this has nothing to do with that... I'm simply trying to figure out how things work here because I love hookah and thus highly value the online community that I believe has much power to bring about various positive transformations of the scene. I realize it's a hookah forum and hookah is all about relaxing and of course I agree -- there shouldn't be an atmosphere of hostility and tension in this place. But when some things need to be taken seriously, which they often do, it doesn't mean that there has to be "drama" and tension to go along with it.

[EvansLight]

I dont mind discussion. what im talking about is people taking what happens here too seriously and they start making grandious claims of leaving, or because they broke the rules and got banned they start something, or other users that are there friends start things.

That and things getting blown up bigger then they should be is what im talking about in terms of drama. Trust me if you have seen some of my rants before the forum got updated, i was one all for change, and i still am. But change made in haste will only temporarily solve the problems. I say start a new thread, and let the forum throw around ideas. I promise if the forums come up with some good ideas for vendors, that would make as many people as possible happy, youll have me back it all the way. Ill push it to the other mods and HK as well.

And the reason i brought up dummy accounts was for those talking about just letting vendors post in one section. Even though we can usually catch the dummy accounts, some have been harder then others. We can't check every new user and make sure there who they say they are.

And i agree, i wish there didn't need to be drama attached to it, but there is.

Oh and as for his ban, i have not been around for a while due to drama(yea i hate that word.... hmm from now on instead of drama, ill say 'bad llama joojoo'... that works for me) in my life, i did not take part in that one. Im weighing in this thread now just to give my opinion, cause i like letting people know mine, especially when im not sober... like i was when i first replied XD

[kornkitten42]

I enjoy this forum,and enjoy the topics here. *edited to add* I love this forum and what it does for the community. It brings us together. I think that all things considered it may have it's issues but who doesn't??

I would like to say we encourage all vendors to post and get involved with their customers. If you envolve your customers in your daily postings, or donate items for contests or other offers you get more customers. It's a good business move on thier part and as customers it's a win/ win for all. * just want to throw that in there* Edited August 25, 2007 by kornkitten42

[ioannisds]

I enjoy this forum,and enjoy the topics here. *edited to add* I love this forum and what it does for the community. It brings us together. I think that all things considered it may have it's issues but who doesn't??

I would like to say we encourage all vendors to post and get involved with their customers. If you envolve your customers in your daily postings, or donate items for contests or other offers you get more customers. It's a good business move on thier part and as customers it's a win/ win for all. * just want to throw that in there*

[SafeSearchOff]

wow man. i have a really good habit of missing WTF goes on. missed the whole smiley debacle, and i go to help my brother move into his new hose for 3 days, come back, and shit hit the fan like 5 times.

for the record, i have no clue wtf happened. but here's my take from what i heard. the mods/HK have/has fucking spoken. i fully trust the decisions of the mods and the admins. for f***s sake man, they were elected for a reason, and everything is up to their discretion. don't agree? thats fine, but it doesnt matter. Mush, Eric, Erica, etc., are all fooking good at this man, and if your don't like the outcome of their board control, thats fine, you can leave.

also, HookahForum owns the board, they have executive control over it. they are pretty loose in terms of letting vendors post on THEIR site, effectively bleeding their business. there has to be a line somewhere, and it was drawn at the fact of PYH selling shit 1/3, 1/4 of the average retail price on all other sites.

so if you don't like it, you can leave man. i'll be staying. everything is well controlled here, and while sometimes it might not be "fair", SHIT GETS DONE. for the most part, its always kept civil, and its a great place to be. but everyone has there own opinion, and if your opinion is "this shit sucks", why stick around and bitch? pull a Martin Luther. Leave.


edit: also. whats that i read about yash leaving...? Edited August 25, 2007 by SafeSearchOff

[Allia22]

I think it would be fine if vendors had to pay for a vendor account -- it would work pretty much how the premium accounts work now. Under "Group" it would say "Vendor" or "Vendor Affiliate" or something like that. I'm not really for placing too many restrictions on the vendors... I'd rather take steps to encourage members of the forum to realize that a particular member is a vendor and judge their posts for themselves. Actually, a vendor section would be nice for strictly promotional announcements and the like, but I don't think I would restrict vendors from chiming in in other sections. Overtly labeling them as vendors should be sufficient, I'd think.

I agree this is a good idea, having a separate section for the vendors. It should clear up a lot of the problems that have gotten past vendors banned. But as far as I know, PYH stayed within his thread as far as promoting his own site went, and when he posted on other threads it was to give input. The only thing that got him in real trouble was his prices... right?

[The King]

I'm sorry, i missed why PYH was banned, but is it seriously for fuckin low prices? I can't believe that, he must've have done somethin like constant ads or somethin right?

But anyways, from readin this I just wanna say I definately wouldn't limit vendors. Look at hookah life, granted I haven't been on here too much because of internet problems the last month or two. HL has a thread about their specials, but he also gives input on peoples questions about hookah. I remember someone asked for a reccomendation for a hookah and he gave a few not one of them was even from his site. I think a vendor section is a great idea, but not somewhere where vendors can just spam a shitload of new ads. Make a thread for each vendor who asks for one, and let them post in it they're monthly specials and what not. But don't limit them mto that, if they choose to contribute in the forum good, but just make it clear that they shouldn't come into every thread and try to make a sale

I would love to have more vendors like HL on here, allows people to find the best deal out there.

But back to my question please, what did pyh really do besides have low prices

[symptom CY]

But back to my question please, what did pyh really do besides have low prices

There have been two threads with multiple pages and I'm afraid that's the only "offense" anyone has been able to identify. Now I could be wrong, but I get the sense that there has been some attempt to stretch the truth and force other charges against him to publicly legitimize the banning which, as far as we know, was simply an order from Hookah Kings.

Shucks, I guess I'll never be getting my old premium member account back now... Edited August 25, 2007 by symptom CY

[The King]

Mush? I'm just curious, what else did he do? don't need a long story just you know, too much ads or what?

[ioannisds]

Mush? I'm just curious, what else did he do? don't need a long story just you know, too much ads or what?

He. Did. Nothing. Maybe AFTER the banning there was a little trouble, but to get banned... nothing against the rules.

[symptom CY]

I've been pretty active here consistently and as far as I know, it's like Allia said. He's conducted himself properly as a vendor lately.

[mushrat]

Not to sound like a broken record. But if you read what's been posted already, you'll know continuing to ask this question isn't going to get you anywhere. I think the time has come to get on with life.