Hookah Causes Cavities?

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"The fatal dose of pure nicotine is approximately 40-60 mg (0.6-1.0 mg/kg, 1-2 drops) i.e. the quantity contained in 2 g of tobacco (equivalent to 2 common blend cigarettes; 15-25 mg of nicotine per cigarette). However, the smoke contains less than 3 mg per cigarette, with smoke of most nonfiltered brands containing 1.2 to 2.4 mg and filtered brands between 0.2 and 1.0 mg."

im sorry for the double post, but at first i thought that was blatently wrong and I agreed with you other guys but then I looked it up and its true, according to 1969 data. Im assuming, though, those 40-60mg must be ingested immediately and directly through injection into the bloodstream (I would assume they werent making rabbits, dogs and mice smoke cigarettes! That is how they derived the data). Since smoking is a more indirect and time consuming process, it must be hard to compare. Although, this is purely off the top of my head, I did hear that you can die if you smoke like so many hundred or some ridiculous amount of cigarettes in a row.

[OPR234]

Ok, I didn't want to reply to this post in the way its been hijacked... but I can't help it at this point.


When comparing shisha to cigarettes, think in terms of dry tobacco. How much tobacco is in that bowl you just packed, and how much dry tobacco is in a cigarette? I know it isn't a perfect comparison, but its the best I can come up with. Also, keep in mind that your body doesn't absorb all of the nicotine from the smoke you inhale, theres some left in what you exhale.


Back on topic in regard to smokings effects on dental health, keep in mind that there is a lot more shit in smoke than nicotine that can be bad for your teeth. I don't know if your friend smokes cigarettes, but ammonia and shit in them can't be good for the teeth. I'm also going to point out that the term 'nicotine burn' is probably just a slang term for the type of damage smoking does to your teeth, not directly what nicotine does to your teeth.

[Skarredmind]

As Tim said, cigarettes are a thing that people latch on to for how should i say, comfort? True, nicotine causes dopamine to be increased in the body (and adrenaline), dopamine leaves people feeling happy or relaxed.
Ironically, so does cocaine.. But cocaine is illegal and nicotine isnt. Heh, crazy government.
But people use cigarettes as a crutch to release their frustration/stress and make themselves feel better instead of using other methods of stress management.
I believe addiction to a cigarette is a mind set. I use to smoke Cigarettes, and one day I was just decided I didnt want to.
Did I throw out the pack of cigarettes to keep myself from smoking them? Nah, they are actually still in my car. I dont smoke them, but oh well.

Congrats on ditching the cigs, but by and large you are a VERY rare breed... Nicotine is the addictive substance in the cigs, otherwise they wouldn't use nicotine patches and gum and other nicotine replacements for people trying to quit. I have several cigarette smokers in my family and it's a real bitch to quit. Almost everyone can walk away from hookah without nic fitting and all the other fun stuff that goes along. Yeah cigs are easier to smoke, but hookah smoking can be a comfort, as can many many other things that in the end aren't addictive.

And I'm not trying to be an ass or get into an argument with you Skarredmind, but who has a 10g bowl??

The smallest bowl I have come across is the Egyptian Shallow Bowl, which holds less then the average bowl, and it holds 12g.

The bowls I smoke out of can hold up to like 80g or so....

[sarcasm]Because THAT was totally my point... not that there is more nicotine per ounce of cigarette smoke than shisha... no I was totally talking about the prevalence of 10g shisha bowls...[/sarcasm] There is no argument to be had here your point is not counter to anything I said, merely a side comment that really has no bearing on the conversation the numbers work out the same if I base them on an 80g bowl or a 300kg bowl, as long as we've using the same amount of cigarette tobacco the division works out the same....

[Skarredmind]

As far as the original topic, yeah its entirely possible for nicotine and smoke to contribute to cavities... both are acidic and when acids are left on teeth they eat holes. Is there a real serious concern here though? No.

Orange Juice is also acidic, and contributes to tooth decay... But on the OJ drinking boards there aren't people carrying on about the DANGEROUS DENTAL RISK of a glass of OJ with your breakfast (though I have been seeing some very stupid assed commercials discussing that very stupid assed idea that we should drink our OJ with a straw and not let it touch your teeth (all those people eating citrus to stave off disease are hosed, SUCKERS! lol)

Of course when we get down to it at the end of the day there is a simple solution... good oral hygiene. If you are really concerned (like has been said numerous times above) a little toothpaste and a brush after a hookah session will solve most of the concerns.

[Stealth]

I went to the dentist a couple months ago for the first time since I started smoking. Before I've had 1 cavity all my life, this time he found 2 more. He asked if I smoked and I told him hookah but he didnt mention about how that may be a cause so i dunno. The first time they didnt have to do the numbing thing tho, this time they did. It hurt like a bitch.

[amnite]

has anyone seen the study of peoples teeth from cigerette smokers and shisha smokers! At the end of the study they found a cigerette smokers teeth had worsened while a shisha smokers teeth remained the same

[Skarredmind]

has anyone seen the study of peoples teeth from cigerette smokers and shisha smokers! At the end of the study they found a cigerette smokers teeth had worsened while a shisha smokers teeth remained the same

LOL either hookah is better than cigs... or we like to brush more who knows lol

[amnite]

yh i think they studied from 30 cigarette smokers and 30 shisha smokers both cleaning there teeth at least once a day lol

[OPR234]

I actually remember seeing a study showing hookah smokers having higher rates of gum disease. It was only a corelational study, and it isnt referring directly to teeth, but there is some connection to it, I think.

I'd like to see the study you're talking about, amnite, because unless the results show a vast difference, that isn't very many people to base a claim like that on.