ZenSilk Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Damn.... i wonder if those are any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share Posted October 13, 2007 They definitely LOOK good. I'm torn between Social Smoke's Syrians and JandR's offerings. AHHH!!!! So many choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Ask social smoke some questions.1. Numer of holes in the shank (2 or 4)2. If the downstem is brassThat's all i think i'm gonna ask. The bases may be agytpian... but the look alright. And for about 15-30 bucks cheaper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2Hookah Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Their shanks all have 2 Holes, not 4. None of them disassemble. All their vases look like crap imho; JandR\'s look much nicer. It\'s up to you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hmm, so it's tradiotional, but Jimmy's Syrians just look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share Posted October 13, 2007 Why is the four shank better than the two shank? Or is the two shank better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Jimmy says he compared them face to face, smoke to smoke, same circumstances and shisha and coal and foil. The Syrian with 4 holes smokes better. I suppose it pulls more smoke in cause there are more holes (3 to pull in smoke 1 to purge i guess?). But then wouldn't that make it a common chamber (with holes) hookah like a Mya? Unless three of those holes all had a tube each consolidating into one tube leading to the single hose? I'm not quite certain. I'd say that the 2 holed heart would smoke better because you don;t have to pull as hard to get more smoke. The smoke is lead in through one single larger hole, and it doesn't space out inside the heart, it just goes straight up a tube into the hose. The surface area in the single tube of the heart is much less, pulling more amounts of thicker smoek straight from the vase, instead of from the inside of the hollow heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share Posted October 13, 2007 I see. Very enlightening, thanks. I'm now leaning toward SS's marble Syrians now. They look great! Some of them even have the more traditional Syrian bases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hey, if you buy one, tell em how much you love/hate (most likely not) it. I really want a Brass stemmed Syrian, an right now Jimmy has my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2Hookah Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 \"\"I\'d say that the 2 holed heart would smoke better because you don;t have to pull as hard to get more smoke. The smoke is lead in through one single larger hole, and it doesn\'t space out inside the heart, it just goes straight up a tube into the hose. The surface area in the single tube of the heart is much less, pulling more amounts of thicker smoek straight from the vase, instead of from the inside of the hollow heart.\"\"Actually 4 Holes have much less restriction than 2 holes. And you\'re right, they allow much larger volumes of smoke, but at a lesser effort. You were half way there. I also think, however, that the amount of smoke is directly related to the amount of heat, etc. More heat = more smoke.Also, to the other member, ask J & R about their syrians, they can answer all the questions for you quite quickly. He also, as Iv heard, has some marble syrians. Let us know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Smoke Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I might be way off, but New2Hookah sure does sound like he's working for J & R Hookahs... As I have said before, if anyone has specific questions about any of our products please do not hesitate to call or PM and I will get you the honest answer without speculation. As far as the debate between 2 and 4 hole stems is concerned. For a 1 Hose hookah to have more than 2 Holes means that the hose port chamber is hollow. The main problems with this are:1. clearing out the smoke chamber in the base is next to impossible with a hollow hose port chamber because when you blow back into the hose, the air simply clears out the smoke in the hose port chamber and all the smoke in the base stays.2. cleaning out the stem fully is also next to impossible as there is no way to brush or fully rinse out the hollow chamber.For the absolute best smoke possible time and time again a hose port chamber can not be hollow. PERIOD This is why out of all the hookahs that we have in stock and that we have carried over the years I along with every single social smoke employee use a 2 hole stem hookah as their personal hookah.The main reason 4 hole stems even exist on the market is because they are cheaper and easier to manufacture than if they only had 2 holes that are directly connected to the hose port and air release valve. So in reality the 4 hole stem might be considered downgrade or maybe even a slightly inferior design, but for sure it is not an upgrade like New2Hookah is claiming. If air flow is a concern, the truth is 99% of the time the most restrictive part of a hookah is the hose. If anyone does not believe me, wash your hookah thoroughly and smoke directly out of the hose port of the stem. You will notice an amazing improvement in air flow over when you smoke with your hose. Therefore 99% of the time the size and the flow through the hose ports is not of any importance. The reason I say 99% of the time is that there are some poorly made 2 hole stems on the market that either have improper sized or shaped holes, or have weld or junk that can cause a restriction in flow.As a disclaimer, we have many stems in stock with 2 and 4 holes, so I am not trying to hype up the 2 hole stems for financial reasons. It makes absolutely no difference to us. I am simply trying to make sure that anyone reading this post has unbiased and accurate information on which they can use to make educated decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) Thanks SS. That clears up A LOT of things. The common chamber is indeed the biggest downside to my MYA. Hard to clean and purging never REALLY clears it out unless i blow, inhale a little to bring smoke up, blow again, etc.EDIT: Some quick info from question asking SS. The down stem is stainless steel while the rest of the stem is pure brass. Some are plated with chrome. Edited October 15, 2007 by MechAnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookah Master Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 they def look to be of great quality syrian is def gonna be my next hookah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2Hookah Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 You were way off...I have nothing to do with JandR...As far as the Syrians, I am no expert, you may be, I wouldn\'t no. But there are certain things that do make sense and dont make sense. The difference between 2 and 4 holes and whether or not 4 holes makes a difference in the draw. Facts are facts, it just makes sense that 4 holes makes the draw easier. The \"negative\" part about 4 holes being the almost \"impossible\" way to clean it, doesn\'t seem so negative. If it does have 4 holes direct to a chamber, than how hard would it be to put water in there and flush it out. Again, who knows, I dont own one, but everything seems self explanatory. Also, I thought the MYA\'s with the open hearts didnt have down tubes. The syrians do. Also I never said 4 hole was an upgrade, I just said the facts I know; easier draw, more smoke, etc etc. Seems to me its a sales pitch on your side...knowing this is the only topic you responded to. Arent vendors supposed to be a part of this forum and be active? Not only chime in when their name comes up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 SS has been posting in other topics. Yea, im a Forum-ie like that, i read every single post i didn't already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) QUOTE (Social Smoke @ Oct 14 2007, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I might be way off, but New2Hookah sure does sound like he's working for J & R Hookahs... As I have said before, if anyone has specific questions about any of our products please do not hesitate to call or PM and I will get you the honest answer without speculation. As far as the debate between 2 and 4 hole stems is concerned. For a 1 Hose hookah to have more than 2 Holes means that the hose port chamber is hollow. The main problems with this are:1. clearing out the smoke chamber in the base is next to impossible with a hollow hose port chamber because when you blow back into the hose, the air simply clears out the smoke in the hose port chamber and all the smoke in the base stays.2. cleaning out the stem fully is also next to impossible as there is no way to brush or fully rinse out the hollow chamber.For the absolute best smoke possible time and time again a hose port chamber can not be hollow. PERIOD This is why out of all the hookahs that we have in stock and that we have carried over the years I along with every single social smoke employee use a 2 hole stem hookah as their personal hookah.The main reason 4 hole stems even exist on the market is because they are cheaper and easier to manufacture than if they only had 2 holes that are directly connected to the hose port and air release valve. So in reality the 4 hole stem might be considered downgrade or maybe even a slightly inferior design, but for sure it is not an upgrade like New2Hookah is claiming. If air flow is a concern, the truth is 99% of the time the most restrictive part of a hookah is the hose. If anyone does not believe me, wash your hookah thoroughly and smoke directly out of the hose port of the stem. You will notice an amazing improvement in air flow over when you smoke with your hose. Therefore 99% of the time the size and the flow through the hose ports is not of any importance. The reason I say 99% of the time is that there are some poorly made 2 hole stems on the market that either have improper sized or shaped holes, or have weld or junk that can cause a restriction in flow.As a disclaimer, we have many stems in stock with 2 and 4 holes, so I am not trying to hype up the 2 hole stems for financial reasons. It makes absolutely no difference to us. I am simply trying to make sure that anyone reading this post has unbiased and accurate information on which they can use to make educated decisions.I fucking said all this. Psh. I'm just as smart as a retailer. 4 holes = common chamber. I was first to mention that. It only makes perfect sense. It's like a mya with a platform directing smoke through three more holes. *** But hey, my Mya smokes fucking god damn amazing...) ***I say it doesn't really matter anymore. Haha. God i fucking rock. Social Smoke, you didn't mention all my CORRECT ranting about holes in the shank! JK... Kinda. Edit: Ohh, and if you think about it... the smoke density difference really can't be visible. I have a Mya, I have a KM. The Mya smokes just as well (without measurements to the .00000000000000000001) even with 3 hoses connected to it. A Common Chamber i say is MUCH better for Multiple People. It makes sense. There's NO air restriction. But for one person, 2 holes will smoke much better (granted not noticeably). If New2Hookah does have anything to do with JandR, it doesn't matter really... I also reccomend JandR Syrians to anyone who posts anything up. They are just damn good pipes. But so is my KM Amer. And My Mya is just one sexy machine i wanna stick ... ok you know where i'm going with this shit! WHO CARES!The only thing people should care about is Build Quality, Brass Parts, and Base Strength. I'm sure most hookahs for sale on SocialSmoke, JandR, HookahCompany (who jsut keep getting soooooo good adding new shit to their catalogue), Hookah-Shisha, MnHookah... ETC!. Edited October 15, 2007 by ZenSilk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2Hookah Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Lol, thats awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyt Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 OK, honestly, there is not such a big difference between 2 and 4 holes. That should be the very very last thing you should worry about. I honestly think JandR is making a really big deal out of it because its the only thing that sets them apart. Its like the car sales man that talks about the cool cupholders because thats the only thing special about the car. There are things you should look at first before you bother looking at the number of holes: thickness of the vase glass, if its got auto-seal and whether it works well, length of the downstem. All those are so much more relevant to your smoking experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Syrians are Awesome. No Matter where you get 'em from. So are Brass Egyptians. Social Smoke's Syrian stems look just spectacular. Hand Cut Brass. I think this means the whole thing including Downstem is brass?? If that's true.. Bravo. Bra-freakin-O! That's amazing. Also, those new Stargates they have. Solid brass and Chrome plated. Umm, Dayum? The Online Hookah Retailers are really stepping it up a Notch. Or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) SS's downstems are stainless steel. Brass stewing in water for extended periods decreases the time it takes for it to green. Just see my trombone after emptying day old spit Edited October 15, 2007 by MechAnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Wait do you mean it increases the green slimey oxidation goo? ... By sitting water for a long ass time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Hey, don't feel left out, i'm buying a 2 hoser as well. Edit : Wait i lied they dont have a 2 hoser. Edited October 15, 2007 by ZenSilk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm 99% sure its a grommet style.When brass is exposed to both water and air for a period of time it gets the green a lot faster than it otherwise would. It is completely inert but still, doesn't really make smoking appetizing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Yeah, green oxidation in my base water just makes me queezy... this is an eye opener... Those prices are also just so amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oolatec Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 QUOTE (MechAnt @ Oct 14 2007, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm 99% sure its a grommet style.When brass is exposed to both water and air for a period of time it gets the green a lot faster than it otherwise would. It is completely inert but still, doesn't really make smoking appetizingYeah that was my thought as well. I sent SS an PM, so I will see what they say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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