Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 You can get 3Kings Coals if you want, but I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE you that you're going to taste a FOWL charcoal flavor. Most everyone here will agree with this. Plus Golden Coals are bigger than 3Kings and they last a lot longer, up to about an hour, whereas 3Kings last about 30 to 40 minutes. TRUST ME...........GOLDEN COALS ARE THE WAY TO TRUE HAPPINESS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Always Remember........the coal needs to be almost REDHOT all the way thru before placing on the bowl. Oh.......and a metal bowl is going to be very small, you won't be able to put very much ma'assel in the bowl, only like a half of a regular sized clay bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 The black bowl is fine to measure the water level with proper light. The Golden coals are horrible, lol. I know all about having a red-hot coal before beginning the session, I've been smoking for years now. The Golden coals do last longer but do not smoke aswell throughout the time it lasts. I've always used 3kings and I never had a fowl taste, but that's because I'm using Al Amir ma'assel, one of the best for exotic flavours! Haha. I've had some bad hookah sessions, but not at my house, since I use the same type of tobacco. Anyways! Happy smoking!Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Hey......they don't call me The Grand Hookah Wizard for nothing, I'm telling you Golden Coals ROCK!!! But, hey, do what you want. If you want to waste your money on 3Kings and taste a lot of charcoal in your smoke, then be my guest. But you'll be making a GARGANTUAN mistake!!! Charcoal isn't cheap. Especially when you're buying Premium Coals. Why are Golden Coals SO expensive...........it's because they BLOW-AWAY the competition. 3Kings SUCK ROYALLY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Bubble Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 [quote name='Mathazar']3Kings SUCK ROYALLY!!! [/quote] Hey Mathazar, still trying to "win friends and influence people" I see. Bye for now. MR Bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Have you smoked through both? I had my hookah started with Gold Coals, the smoke just wasn't as enjoyable as normal so I decided to slap a 3kings and VOILA. I've never, EVER tasted charcoal. If you compared, with the same hookah/ma'assel better yet during the same session and you have a problem with the 3kings, fine, but from my personal experience, having tried both (I don't like to be narrow minded), the 3kings smoke better and have no taste as the Gold Coals do. It's that reason why our premium hookah lounge uses the 3kings and never had any complaints. I'm sure you know your stuff but it's not like I started smoking yesterday, I've tried many different tobaccos, many different types of hookahs/hoses/etc, and different kind of coals. Having tried a different variety of mixes, nothing is better then Al Amir with 3kings. Anyways this is pointless, to each their own.Happy smoking.Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molson Posted August 7, 2005 Author Share Posted August 7, 2005 hahaha wow this forum is amazing.....i joined 2 days ago an allready have so much info... you guys rock....so i get it now. allways buy premium for a few extra bucks and i'll be completly satisfied. so i changed my list a bit to getting less tobacco but the premium kind, umm decided to go with the premium coals (golden coals), i guesse coal dosn't go bad so i'll start off with like 150 pieces. how much coal do i use for 10-15 grams? you guys are actually full of info and if i didnt join i definitly would have made some bad decisions oh and to all you canadians in ontario....tommorow im gonna go and check out some arab stores and see prices so if any canadian has trouble getting i may be able to help u out (u send cash i send tobacco). cuz the duty is ridicoulouse no promises i can get it tho thanks again guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I wasn't trying to insult you, Jon, or belittle your opinion in any way. We just have differences of opinion on the coals Molson, if you're not sure which coal to go with, then get a roll or two of 3Kings along with your box of Goldens. Then you'll know beyond any shadow of doubt which brand you like best. With 10 to 15 grams of ma'assel, I reccommend one to one and half coals. Romman ma'assel lasts longer than say Al-Fakher or Nakhla ma'assel. I think you're just going to have to experiment to see which coal configuration gives you the most smoke and flavor. One more VERY important thing........NEVER/EVER PACK-DOWN YOUR TOBACCO. If you pack it down, even in the slightest bit, you could very likely get a tight draw. Also, go to the store and buy yourself some Regular Reynold's Wrap Aluminum Foil. You're going to need it to cut out squares to cover your bowl with. Also, get some toothpicks to poke the holes with. Frankly, I think a fork works just fine, as a toothpick takes longer, but with a toothpick you'll have more uniform holes. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. You may have noticed that I "Stickied" this thread, so that maybe you'll get some more varied answers from others in the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molson Posted August 7, 2005 Author Share Posted August 7, 2005 i would get 50 of each but hookah-shisha only sells golden coals so i figure go all out on them i noticed the sticky hehe was wondering why to. as for the tin foil is it better to use that or the metal piece with holes that i get with my hookah (supposed to act like tin foil but with less time) and if anyone else has question feel free to jack the thread....might as well (mabey this should be more like a newbie thread?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 All this stuff needs to end. I don't mind if everyone gives recomendations on their experiences with 3kings or Goldens, and that goes for tobacco also, but please, we shouldn't tell people what they should like... I started off on Nahkla and cheap non-name brand quicklights. I liked the Nahkla but changed coals. Then I moved to Al Waha and Nour coals. I've tried many brands out there and just as many coals and have found what I like through trial and error. People have to test things for themselves and find what they like if they want to enjoy hookah. So yes, this forum is all about discussing what we like and don't like, learning about brands and much more, but lets not tell people what they should like and what YOU think sucks, cause I guarentee that someone out there disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I agree with you to a point. But, if I have experience with a tobacco and further experience with different types of coals, then it's only right of me to let people know what I think of those brands. For example, I'm sitting here smoking Nakhla Lemon right now. That's all my local shop had in a Lemon Flavor. But I know thru personal experience that Romman Lemon blows the pants off of any other Lemon out there. The same with Double Apple. Now, in my "New Hookah Site" thread I posted that the Havana ma'assel looks VERY enticing. I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect in response to their description of that tobacco, I'll BET it's the BEST ma'assel on the market, even better than Romman. Well, we'll just have to see about that. I'm willing to pay the price for a potentially AMAZING ma'assel, just for the purpose of knowing which is the BEST ma'assel on the market. So, I'm not trying to "TELL" anyone what to like or not like, I'm simply passing along information thru my own trial & error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Oh, and I stickied this thread temporarily until you buy your stuff, because I think that it's important that you get the positive information so that you and other newbies don't make mistakes in buying things at bargain basement prices just to save a buck, when the Premium stuff will be what turns you into an Avid Hookah Smoker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Ok I understand what you're saying. I just think its not the greatest idea to tell new potential hookah smokers that hookah isn't worth persuing unless you cough up the extra doe for "premium" products, and that they will not enjoy themselves unless they do. Atleast that what it sounds like. Some poorer people such as myself wouldn't haven started the sport of hookah if I thought I had pay $18.00 bucks for a tub of Romann, but I'm chuggin right along with my $5.00 tubs of Al Waha and large bag of Nour Fingers for 4 bucks. But I fully agree that most people will probably like the taste of Romann and other high end products as apposed to Nahkla, but just remember people still do like Nahkla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Right, like most of the Hookah smoking WORLD. Premium brands are for Westerners who want something "special". Every Middle-eastern person I've ever spoken to about smoking hookahs has said they all smoke Nakhla. This has included Moroccans, Egyprians, Syrians, and some I don't know where they were from. When I've asked about the other brands, and tell them they are 12-18 bucks a 250g box they have all looked at me like I was NUTS... But hey, I've got everything from romman and AF to Nakhla myself....so... Remember Math, most people are not as willing to spend their last dollar on a Hookah and tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 LOL..........You know me so well, mush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stew Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I've used both golden coals and 3 kings, what I've notices is that they are almost the same. My friend however swears by some big-ass coal that are a buck a piece. they burn forever, but they taste like pure hell. seriously, they cover the whole bowl and burn everything to dust. I smoked with him, we went through a bowl of al waha cola and a bowl of romman lemon in about 45 minutes and he said everything was great. all I tasted was charcoal and burning. I'm not letting him control the coal situation ever again. BTW, this guy was in egypt last year and he saw people doing it that way so he figures he's right by burning the crap out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Well, 3Kings makes a 33mm & 40mm coal. The 40mm takes up the entire bowl, but like you said, it tastes like HELL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Two things I forgot to mention about Golden Coals: 1. They sparkle A LOT when lighting them. They have a quick-light agent on them that causes them to sparkle. So light your coals over an area that won't be stained by the sparkles. 2. Sometimes, and I mean very rarely, a coal may blow-up while lighting it. Once again, light the coal over an area that won't be effected by blastng coals. And keep the coal away from your eyes when lighting them. I wear glasses, and I've had a couple close encounters with flying schrapnel from these coals. Once they're lit, however, they won't blow-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 [quote name='Mathazar']Well, 3Kings makes a 33mm & 40mm coal. The 40mm takes up the entire bowl, but like you said, it tastes like HELL [/quote]+ Lol, he didn't say it was a 3Kings coal which his friend used. He said he's used 3Kings and Goldens before. Seems like you have some personal vendetta with 3Kings. I keep a couple packs around ONLY when I run out of Nours and need to get by. And when I use em, yeah they give off an odor, like any other quicklight due to his lighting agent coated over them, but once you get the 3King comeplety red they work pefectly fine, and odorless. Anybody whos been smoking hookah for a while and has some idea what their doing or what they should be doing knows that you shouldn't really put any coal on the bowl unless its fully lit anyways. There are some exceptions with some natural coals, but thats about it. 3Kings work fine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Alright, I'll tell you what Molson, go out and get the 3Kings. Forget EVERYTHING I said. Stock-up on 3Kings, and you'll love em' just like everyone said.......NOT But, do what you want. I'll give 3Kings one thing, they never blow-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Christ...all I was trying to say is STOP TRYING TO SWAY PEOPLE IN BUYING WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD. Go ahead and say that 3Kings suck. Thats your personal opionion, which is welcomed on a public forum. But you arn't doing that... You have been CONSTANTLY telling people Golden coals are the only coal worth buying, and same with Romann tobacco. I know everyone reading this is tired of my childish bickering, and for this I apologize, but if I can get one point across for new potential hookah smokers it is this: **KEEP TRYING NEW BRANDS** After a while you will find what you like, and a lot of the time it won't be Al Fahker or Romann, but instead maybe Nahkla. Everyone has different tastes... And on that note, I wish everyone the best. This will be my last post on this forum. It's been a very informative and fun ride people. I'm gunna go smoke a bowl I suppose [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley11.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley9.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley18.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley11.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley9.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley18.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley11.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley9.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley18.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley11.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley9.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Bubble Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Gee, did we have to drive another off? Congrats. MR Bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I understand what Yash is saying, let Molson try different things, don't tell him what to get, instead inform him on your opinion. You can never force ma'assel on someone, but you can give an opinion. My opinion would be that Al Amir is very flavourful for exotic-like flavours and something like Al Waha and Nahkla are more for regular flavours you might smoke alone to serve your boredum. There are many different mixes, but being Canadian I know it's going to be difficult for Molson to just order from five different sites. This is why I suggest to order everything from southsmoke.com. They have VERY nice hookahs and many different types of tobaccos, ranging from Nahkla to AF. Everyone should just relax a little and keep the peer pressure away Happy smoking to all! Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathazar Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 [quote name='MR Bubble']Gee, did we have to drive another off? Congrats. MR Bubble[/quote] STFU MR Bubble.......Yashman's leaving isn't my fault. This is an opinionated forum, and often times people's tempers flare. If Yashman couldn't handle what I was saying, then maybe it's for the BEST that he leaves and finds a forum more suited to his laidback, passive, non-aggressive style of posting. "If You Can't Handle The Heat, Don't Put Your Hand In The Fire" Yashman is VERY temperamental and easy to get his feelings hurt or to offend his integrity, which would be MORE than apparent from reading his last post. Frankly, I don't know what his problem is. Is the guy having a bad hair day? I didn't see ANYTHING even remotely comparable to a FLAMEWAR going on. I admit, I came-on pretty strong to Molson, trying to encourage him to go with what I thought was the ABSOLUTE BEST route for his smoking pleasure. I gave him this advice so he wouldn't have to DO what Yashman was suggesting. It's very expensive and time consuming shopping around for what might be the BEST ma'assel and coals out there. Even finding the right hookah can be a hassle. So why shouldn't I pass along information that we ALL know is TRUE, that Romman and Al-Fakher, and Golden Coals are some of the BEST products on the market. Do you have any idea how many crappy brands I had to go thru as a newbie trying to find the RIGHT brands. I spent a sh*tload of money on sh*tty ma'assel and coals, only to discover EXACTLY the information I was passing on to Molson. So, I wish Yashman well wherever he ends-up, but I'm not going to bend-over backwards to try to make EVERYONE happy all the time, by agreeing with them, when I KNOW that I'm right. It's my right as a member of this forum to pass information as I see fit. And if someone doesn't like it, well too F***ing bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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