Developing Lungs Of Steel (and Bloody Phlegm)

[Geiseric]

I have had some caffeinated shisha before, but never Tangiers, and no matter what set-up I use, I am amazed by the taste (delicious tobacco, very rich smelling) and the sheer harsh burn of the smoke. It's gotten to the point that I just ignore the burning sensation and urge to cough until I have taken a lungful, and then cough it out. Not the most pleasant sensation, but a damn good buzz! I was feeling it for an hour to an hour and a half afterwards. Amazing stuff!

Any tips from you Tangiers smokers for smoothing it out (good acclimation times, base liquids, etc)? I have to preface by saying using my large bowls seems to help a lot. The syrup around the tobacco is SO thick, I have trouble seeing acclimating doing any good.

(Just to clarify, Tangiers specific information, please, it has a unique texture that has me puzzled as to what to do with it)

[boulderkid303]

I have had some caffeinated shisha before, but never Tangiers, and no matter what set-up I use, I am amazed by the taste (delicious tobacco, very rich smelling) and the sheer harsh burn of the smoke. It's gotten to the point that I just ignore the burning sensation and urge to cough until I have taken a lungful, and then cough it out. Not the most pleasant sensation, but a damn good buzz! I was feeling it for an hour to an hour and a half afterwards. Amazing stuff!

Any tips from you Tangiers smokers for smoothing it out (good acclimation times, base liquids, etc)? I have to preface by saying using my large bowls seems to help a lot. The syrup around the tobacco is SO thick, I have trouble seeing acclimating doing any good.

(Just to clarify, Tangiers specific information, please, it has a unique texture that has me puzzled as to what to do with it)

Everyone does there own thing. I think rayver does it the best, but I also like the way I do it. I set it out for about 18hours to a day. And stir it up every 3 hours. Really get into it with your hands.
When you pack it use big holes only so you can actually get some air thru it. May also wanna get a phunnel. Load the bowl up (whatever bowl your using) to the top and dont be cheap on it. Also DON'T sprinkle it into the bowl, the state its in the bag is the state u want it in the bowl.


Hope this helps, good luck! !

[ZenSilk]

Tangiers is great.. but not worth lung cancer man.

[Geiseric]

I actually thought I had ordered a phunnel bowl with the Tangiers... Turns out it was just a large Tangiers bowl. Nice bowl, not what I wanted. Thanks for the acclimation advice, and I have been using big holes, but I may go even bigger just to see how it changes the smoke.

As to the cancer comment... Naw, by the time I get cancer I will be able to purchase android lungs. While I'm at it I will also need to buy some android legs with backwards knees
(always wanted those)

[ZenSilk]

OOoo yay!

[ASUSEAN1]

more/bigger holes, jap coals.. pack it higher than usual but not too crazy

[shisha fan]

you could smoke a lot of handrolling tobacco to get a solid layer of tarmac on your lungs. if you`re used to that hookah smoking will never make you cough again.

[MechAnt]

You're packing incorrectly if the smoke is that harsh. less heat, more tobacco

[ASUSEAN1]

You're packing incorrectly if the smoke is that harsh. less heat, more tobacco

+bigger holes in the foil.. check out my thread from earlier in the week

[Geiseric]

Yeah, I read it. I do use fairly large holes, but I will fool around some more with it to see what is best. I was just curious to see what other Tangiers smokers had found was best for it.

[thegreengoblin707]

I want to clarify your thoughts...I have conflicting feelings. While I'm aware of the countless dangers of smoking, I also enjoy the buzz of the hookah. It is true that if a person who has never smoked first gets a chest x ray, then smokes for a week and gets another chest x-ray, a clear difference can be observed. That's scary. I was hoping to try Zaghloul and have it burn out quickly yet give me a strong, lasting buzz. Good, efficient compromise where I don't smoke for too long yet still get the fun results. Turns out, Zaghloul burnt out quick and gave little buzz. My next solution is to be disciplined and smoke once every 3-6 months for an occasion. Just today I've cleaned my hookah with dishwasher soap and stored it away, making a goal not to touch it for at least 3 months. That's my way of balancing hookah / health issues. In any case, why did you specifically mention lung cancer in this thread? Is it because you get the idea that OP is smoking too too much (he is!) or is there a specific issue with Tangiers tobacco itself? Excessive nicotine, caffeine, or am I overreading? Just curious. Will definitely try Tangiers. Edited November 4, 2007 by thegreengoblin707

[MechAnt]

One more thing, I think Tangiers F-line is the only caffeinated shisha on the market.

[Zildjian]

my biggestissue with tangiers is that its strong. when i smoked it, or tried to, it wasnt harsh, like it didnt burn, but i couldnt inhale it because my lungs didnt really seem to want it. anything i can do about that cuz orange soda tastes great, just unpleasant to smoke, unlike starbuzz or af

[lemmiwinks]

I've never done it before, but it sounds kind of like inhaling cigars to me... Only not harsh?

[Zildjian]

not quite. i mean it is inhalable, i watch people do it, but they are much more seasoned lungs. that, or im just a pussy. which is entirely a possibility lol

[Geiseric]

Wow... ok.

To Green Goblin: Yes, smoking is risky. So is drinking. So is base jumping. So is having sex. The moral? Have fun, be reasonable. If you want to live risk free, do so. I enjoy some risk, but I try to balance that out.

To Mechant: I have had something else caffeinated. Do not know the brand name, but it was a coffee flavor, with grounds visible in it. It gave a mild buzz, but gave me the caffine jitters so insanely that the first time I smoked it that I swore off smoking for around a week. I had 250 grams of it, ran it by my friends, and they all agreed it had an insane caffeine content. I have not seen it since, I purchased it locally, and have never seen it online.

To zildjian: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Tangiers unwashed? That would explain your dislike of the smoke. I honestly don't know, I thought I read that somewhere. I know Starbuzz is washed.

*Edit*

To clarify to Green Goblin: I do believe I abuse the drug nicotine. I have sworn completely off all of my other chemical habits, but I enjoy Hookah too much to smoke it purely recreationally. Edited November 4, 2007 by Geiseric

[Sonthert]

my biggestissue with tangiers is that its strong. when i smoked it, or tried to, it wasnt harsh, like it didnt burn, but i couldnt inhale it because my lungs didnt really seem to want it. anything i can do about that cuz orange soda tastes great, just unpleasant to smoke, unlike starbuzz or af

As far as your question, Geiseric:

I react the same way to tobaccos like Al Fahker and Starbuzz, actually.

As far as your question, Geiseric:

More tobacco, bigger holes, less coal. Also, if you are using quicklight charcoal, try breaking them up into three or four pieces before lighting them. Alternatively, if you are using a dookie coal or whatnot, try breaking that up into smaller pieces before using.

As far as Zen's goes: [HISS!] As far as cancer goes, its not reasonable to assume that any brand of tobacco is any safer than any other brand. I think the charcoal is a major contributor...strength of the tobacco in question doesn't change anything. Cigars seem to be safer than cigarettes in a lot of ways (Lower mortality rates), although more tobacco is involved in smoking a cigar and cigars are stronger than cigarettes.

Good luck, may your caffeinated experience go well.

[ZenSilk]

Haha, i meant smoking the hell out of a hookah in order to get it right even though it hurts. Ouch. it should be enjoyable, and believe me, i'm a Tangiers enthusiast.

[Dekon]

I want "Dragon breath" so bad, but my lungs don't want to inhale a lot of smoke sometimes, it pains me when this happens (Doesn't really give me pain just makes me sad).

[thegreengoblin707]

As far as Zen's goes: [HISS!] As far as cancer goes, its not reasonable to assume that any brand of tobacco is any safer than any other brand. I think the charcoal is a major contributor...strength of the tobacco in question doesn't change anything. Cigars seem to be safer than cigarettes in a lot of ways (Lower mortality rates), although more tobacco is involved in smoking a cigar and cigars are stronger than cigarettes.

Yep, I agree with the entire post. The next thing I'm trying is actually the Tangiers tobacco + funnel, hoping for a good, lasting buzz and shisha that lasts for a session of reasonable time. Definitely looking forward to it. Will order medium funnel, large original bowl, Juicy Peach, and the Kashmir Peach from hookah company and use it when it is time.

So you say that charcoal is a major contributor? Then in your opinion, what is the least harmful type of charcoal? A big reason for my preference of true Japanese coals over quicklights is no fumes or chemicals like gunpowder make them safer. These coals also burn relatively cleaner (not lots of broken debris like 3 Kings). Whereas I can taste the coal debris from 3 Kings - I don't have that with issue Japs. I hear natural coals are safest? Wood? I think Japs are a good balance between safety & convenience.

[thegreengoblin707]

my lungs don't want to inhale a lot of smoke sometimes,

i don't understand. what does this mean? the smoke is too harsh for your lungs to handle? your lung capacity doesn't enable you to breathe in large amounts of smoke? are you able to take a deep breath yet not be able to inhale the smoke?

[Brownman18]

Meh you should enjoy whatever you do in life, if longevity is your thing go for it, your a stronger man then i with devotion lol.



But i dunno i smoke cuz i enjoy it, like many things n life. I dont think its as bad as cigarettes, a night at the bar when i was younger (only 19 now im 20 lol) a few cigarettes a night and i'd feel ruined for weeks. Sick for the first few days, after my first hookah session with friends i felt nothing negative the next day.. we used natural coals at that time but from non naturlas i did feel not so great the next day. But like all things in life, might as well live life to the fullest. People die all the time for no reason in things they cant control. As long as you die happy you've made the right decisions !

end rant lol

[Dekon]

my lungs don't want to inhale a lot of smoke sometimes,

i don't understand. what does this mean? the smoke is too harsh for your lungs to handle? your lung capacity doesn't enable you to breathe in large amounts of smoke? are you able to take a deep breath yet not be able to inhale the smoke?

Damn, you're right on the money! The smoke is rarely harsh. It's just my lung capacity doesn't let me inhale what i want to inhale.