Texas Man Shoots And Kills Two Burglars

[TheScotsman]

News Coverage of the story!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/e/5303222.html

Video conversation..

http://www.khou.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=193240

Knowing the problems some of the border states have had with increased crime on the part of immigrants, both illegal, and not, I am sure their national origin is going to figure heavily in the minds of a grand jury.

[smoker6146]

This is pathetic......No right to take someones life just because of theft. Let the men of law do there jobs. In no way are items more important than life. You can always get items back, but you can't come back from the dead.

No, every right.

These men are theifs. They could be dangerous. They deserve what they got.

Don't support the sissification of America.

[ZenSilk]

I htink it's fair.

They came in unwanted, it's his house, "GET OFF MY PROPERTAY", ka-boom.

2 less shitbags to worry about.

[Scheetz]

Its called the Castle Doctrine. The law states you have the right to stand your ground unlike other states which require you to retreat before using force. They also take into consideration the age of the shooter and who is attacking him. An old man is in no way capable of running from younger people. While you hope it never comes to having to pull the trigger, well if you give them a warning and they still persist to come forward to cause harm you best do the right thing.

[ghostofdavid]

I would be proud to have this man as my neighbor.

If anyone is caught in the act of theft, they should be shot. The same criminals who steal don't stop at the line of theft... I am sure if they caught you in your room at night, they would be more than happy to bludgeon you to death with a tire iron then take all of your stuff. These kinds of incidents put (as they should) the fear of death into would-be criminals. Shoot to defend and shoot to kill.

[Johnny_D]

I would be proud to have this man as my neighbor.

If anyone is caught in the act of theft, they should be shot. The same criminals who steal don't stop at the line of theft... I am sure if they caught you in your room at night, they would be more than happy to bludgeon you to death with a tire iron then take all of your stuff. These kinds of incidents put (as they should) the fear of death into would-be criminals. Shoot to defend and shoot to kill.

Well put Robb.

Couldn't agree more. Your on my property univited with the intention of raping, robbing or murdering me or my family, then expect lots of pain. More likely death [Allthought i feel there are better ways of punishing someone than killing them. Take out the knee caps and there testicles. No more walking, no more wanking. Something to think about for the rest of there days, but that's just me]

JD

[boulderkid303]

I would be proud to have this man as my neighbor.

If anyone is caught in the act of theft, they should be shot. The same criminals who steal don't stop at the line of theft... I am sure if they caught you in your room at night, they would be more than happy to bludgeon you to death with a tire iron then take all of your stuff. These kinds of incidents put (as they should) the fear of death into would-be criminals. Shoot to defend and shoot to kill.

Ya real smart....lets say the robber is 15 and poor as hell. Death or being shot would not be the best choice imo. Sure if its an adult and he refuses to stop YES I DO AGREE. But not death, thats just flat out wrong.

[ghostofdavid]

Being poor and desperate are no excuse for being a robber. Go to a religious/humanistic helping organization, especially if you live in America. Our homeless and poor people are fat. There is plenty of free stuff to go around. Don't believe me? Volunteer at the local homeless shelter. If you are unwarranted and on my property, you are a dead man. I don't know what you plan on doing to my loved ones. If you don't shoot to kill, the scumbag's family will sue you for all that you have claiming you robbed them of an innocent man's ability to do so and so. Several times on the radio, I have heard on the radio several times of some waste of genetic material committing breaking with home invasion style of robberies (often with loaded shotguns), and the owner does what a man should and shoots and stops them dead in their tracks. The mother of the criminal is on the radio crying that her son was a good person and he "never hurt nobody." Never mind the rap sheet he has had all of his life.

Just because someone is 15 does not mean that he does not have the capacity of killing you or raping a family member.

We shoot to kill for several reasons. I'll give a few.

1. Guns are designed to kill and if you aren't shooting to kill, then there wasn't a threat large enough to use the tool to begin with.

2. Dead people don't sue. Their families can, but the dead cannot.

There is something wrong with society when the man who broke the law is worried about more than those whom he seeks to harm.

[Estariol]

I'm with Boulderkid on this one. I believe that the West should be beyond this kind of barbarity. We are the most advanced civilisation (by almost any criteria) to have ever existed and I believe that due process of law is a key factor in that. It's not like those guys who were stealing wouldn't be brought to justice quickly. I would understand this guy's action if he was living 3 centuries ago. But not now.

America is a country that in many ways I really respect (I lived and grew up there) but that I believe should be leading the world in its law system and other things - instead and too often Americans choose to appaul the world with their disregard for civilisation.

To me, the world's greatest civilisation is not one that knowingly disregards its own faults while still declaring that it is the 'greatest country in the world.' People like Ann Coulter don't help either.

[boulderkid303]

Let me ask you something ghost, and don't be biast. Do you think the world would be a better place without guns?

I do.

[.cOLt.45.]

Let me ask you something ghost, and don't be biast. Do you think the world would be a better place without guns?

I do.

\When you think about it even without guns the world would be dangerous...


Because even without guns...if you want to kill someone...it is possible

IF there arent guns...we will use knives..or make a different weapon that might be even worse

man is greedy and filled with hate

it will never be quenched

[gaia.plateau]

"just doing what everyone is supposed to do."

What a pathetic defense. And discouraging.

[Estariol]

Let me ask you something ghost, and don't be biast. Do you think the world would be a better place without guns?

I do.

\When you think about it even without guns the world would be dangerous...


Because even without guns...if you want to kill someone...it is possible

IF there arent guns...we will use knives..or make a different weapon that might be even worse

man is greedy and filled with hate

it will never be quenched

Look at the statistics though. Countries which require special circumstances and a license for gun ownership (like Australia, the nordic countries, and many other european countries) have a very very low gun kill number. the US on the other hand, people are always running around shooting each other because they are upset or sometimes just mad. by keeping guns out of unsuitable hands it decreases the death rate from guns HUGELY.

sure, knives and other ways to kill people exist - but none is as easy, and therefore accessible to an unauthorised person.

colt, i don't believe that the definition of being civilised is indulging and encouraging humanity's worst traits - certainly, those traits will always exist but they should be discouraged and decultivated. That, to me, is the indication of a civilised population.

[Johnny_D]

Estariol,

You have made some nice arguments. However they don't really apply on planet earth.

Western Civilisations should be able to deal with all there social ill's without resorting to home owners killing intruders.
It's happened in the uk, fairly recently, a Norfolk farmer killed two guys robbing his place. The Farmer went to Jail for it and this country was in uproar.

Without turning this into a different thread - The Police are next to useless, so you can't relay on them to help [1]
The UK has more CCTV Cameras that just about anywhere, but again they totally pointless [2]

It comes down to YOU. YOU personally. How are YOU going to defend YOUR family when the shit happens? Somehow i don't think sitting down with the intruder and having a cup of tea and a nice sandwich and talking about the wrongs is going to suffice.

The only regret I have is that firearms are basically illegal in the UK. And if you do have a licence for one then it has to be locked in a cabinet at all times and not kept loaded. Shells have to be locked someplace different. So a firearm [under the laws of firearm ownership in the uk] is again useless for home self defence.

JD

[1] - AFTER THE FACT. Someone is normally dead, dying or getting the shit kicked out of them
[2] - AFTER THE FACT- CCTV does not stop anything. It just records it. And has been shown to be ineffective at stopping crime

[boulderkid303]

I disagree. I think you make some ok points, but look around.america is so damn trigger happy. Maybe if we took care of are own people we would be alright.

Estariol,

You have made some nice arguments. However they don't really apply on planet earth.

Western Civilisations should be able to deal with all there social ill's without resorting to home owners killing intruders.
It's happened in the uk, fairly recently, a Norfolk farmer killed two guys robbing his place. The Farmer went to Jail for it and this country was in uproar.

Without turning this into a different thread - The Police are next to useless, so you can't relay on them to help [1]
The UK has more CCTV Cameras that just about anywhere, but again they totally pointless [2]

It comes down to YOU. YOU personally. How are YOU going to defend YOUR family when the shit happens? Somehow i don't think sitting down with the intruder and having a cup of tea and a nice sandwich and talking about the wrongs is going to suffice.

The only regret I have is that firearms are basically illegal in the UK. And if you do have a licence for one then it has to be locked in a cabinet at all times and not kept loaded. Shells have to be locked someplace different. So a firearm [under the laws of firearm ownership in the uk] is again useless for home self defence.

JD

[1] - AFTER THE FACT. Someone is normally dead, dying or getting the shit kicked out of them
[2] - AFTER THE FACT- CCTV does not stop anything. It just records it. And has been shown to be ineffective at stopping crime

[gaia.plateau]

How are YOU going to defend YOUR family when the shit happens? Somehow i don't think sitting down with the intruder and having a cup of tea and a nice sandwich and talking about the wrongs is going to suffice.

If we want to be objective about this issue, and I think that we should, if you use violence (especially lethal force) for any reason, whatsoever, you're contributing to the core and fundamental problems which have destabilized global and domestic society nearly to the point of collapse.

Even if the 'intruder' was entering your house to murder you and your family, what right do we have to make the decision that our family should live and the intruder should die? We don't know how the intruder got to that point, and in 99% of circumstances society is more to blame than the individual. As part of said society, we are partly responsible for every crime committed against us by others.

Naturally, it's understandable for someone to kill to save their family, but justifiable? Never.

[Johnny_D]

How are YOU going to defend YOUR family when the shit happens? Somehow i don't think sitting down with the intruder and having a cup of tea and a nice sandwich and talking about the wrongs is going to suffice.

If we want to be objective about this issue, and I think that we should, if you use violence (especially lethal force) for any reason, whatsoever, you're contributing to the core and fundamental problems which have destabilized global and domestic society nearly to the point of collapse.

Even if the 'intruder' was entering your house to murder you and your family, what right do we have to make the decision that our family should live and the intruder should die? We don't know how the intruder got to that point, and in 99% of circumstances society is more to blame than the individual. As part of said society, we are partly responsible for every crime committed against us by others.

Naturally, it's understandable for someone to kill to save their family, but justifiable? Never.

You are joking right?

what right do we have to make the decision that our family should live and the intruder should die?

The fact that someone entered my home without permission. Period. All bets are off at that point.
If I break into ANYONE'S house uninvited i would expect the same.

As part of said society, we are partly responsible for every crime committed against us by others.

How in the hell am i responsible for Johnny ScumBag [1] Breaking into mine, yours, or anyone else's house? How am i responsible if he takes a gun and becomes a clock tower sniper?

It's this kind of liberal fluffy bunny horsecrap that has led society to be where it is today!!!

JD - Fuming at the idea he is responsible for a criminal's activity.

[1] - No Relation.

[smoker6146]

Nobody will EVER take my guns away. NOBODY.
I don't care what kind of law any damn liberal president or congress attempts to pass, my guns stay where they are. Anybody who wants to take them from me will have to pry them from my cold dead hands. That's a fact.

EVERY law abiding citizen in this country deserves the right to own a firearm.

EVERY law abiding citizen deserves the right to shoot and kill anybody who could possibly be a threat to them or their family.

gaia.plateau......

I'm sorry, but your answer absolutely disgusted me.

You have to be joking me. Someone breaking into your house takes precedant over your family?
Disgusting. Completely disgusting.
I have EVERY RIGHT to decide my family should live and the intruder should die.
I would not hesisate to blow the head off of anyone breaking into my house or threatening my family.

God, it's like hookah attracts every liberal tree hugging hippy on the planet.

[ZenSilk]

I would be proud to have this man as my neighbor.

If anyone is caught in the act of theft, they should be shot. The same criminals who steal don't stop at the line of theft... I am sure if they caught you in your room at night, they would be more than happy to bludgeon you to death with a tire iron then take all of your stuff. These kinds of incidents put (as they should) the fear of death into would-be criminals. Shoot to defend and shoot to kill.

Ya real smart....lets say the robber is 15 and poor as hell. Death or being shot would not be the best choice imo. Sure if its an adult and he refuses to stop YES I DO AGREE. But not death, thats just flat out wrong.

Who said death? I'd give lots of pain. Every 15 year old is "Poor". Now, if you mean a 15 year old living on the street with his parents who are poor as well, why would he be robbing a house? he's a person, robbing me, he's 15 years old, he knows it's wrong most likely, so he deserves the same punishment i would offer an 18 year old.

Ok, so let's say he's been on the streets his whole life, he doesn't know robbing is bad. HE wouldn't have the smarts to rob a house, maybe a fruit stand at the Farmer's market, who would actually give him fruit free, but not a house. Anyone in my house uninvited will suffer the same consequences whether MAN, WOMAN, TEEN. Now, for little children, fuck that, i'll pick them out and leave them across the street. But they probably wouldn't be robbing me, they woudl probably be lost, so i'd help them out to the best of my ability.

But, if i had a bat, and a guy was robbing me, and he happened to come across me, and i accidentally bludgeon him to death, whoops, my bad. But it's not a gun. It's a bat, Or maybe a knife? Or maybe a Katana. Maybe my bare hands.

Let me ask you something ghost, and don't be biast. Do you think the world would be a better place without guns?

I do.

As to answer this, yes, i do believe the world would be a better place as of now without guns. Less people would be dying, of course. But think about it... Thsi country was founded using guns. Could we have defeated the British? No way, not at all. Remember what the white man did to the Native Americans? They didn't have guns, but when they finally got some, they fought back, and did quite a bit of VERY NEEDED damage. They couldnt have done that damage with spears and tomohawks and bow and arrows.

I've always thought, going back to medieval style war woudl be much better. It's all about skill, strength, and conditioning. You can't cheat using guns.

But if you mean "NO Guns" therefore leading to Peace.... no way. There an never be Peace. There will never be Peace. As long as one person is angry enough to harm another, Peace is just a dream. Theer has never been, and will never be Peace in our world.

Now, if we cut off the use of guns right after, say, the Revolutionary war, alot of bad things wouldn't have occured, but alot of good things wouldn't have either. I don't want to find instances, just research it on the internet. Like the Vietnam War. Good and Bad.

But i do think society as of now could go without Guns. That Korean dude couldnt have shot up Virginia Tech, which is now labeled on Wikipedia as a "Massacre". The fucking Serbian dude wouldnt have been able to shoot up Trolley Square in my city. But these two would have still been using weapons to do their work no matter what. A guy proficient with a bow and arrow could be deadly in a shopping mall, so could a guy with a katana and some Martial Arts Training.

All weapons are pretty bad, but people are what's evil. In order for weapons to cease to exist, people need to be peaceful, which is impossible for a Human to even Comprehend, and therefore impossible to create a true Peaceful society in today's world. Which brings me back to a point i made in another post, we should ALL be Buddhists. Then theer would pretty much be as close to Peace as we could get.

And we don't just use weapons on each other, we use it on animals, and nature in general. Violence is unstoppable.

[boulderkid303]

How are YOU going to defend YOUR family when the shit happens? Somehow i don't think sitting down with the intruder and having a cup of tea and a nice sandwich and talking about the wrongs is going to suffice.

If we want to be objective about this issue, and I think that we should, if you use violence (especially lethal force) for any reason, whatsoever, you're contributing to the core and fundamental problems which have destabilized global and domestic society nearly to the point of collapse.

Even if the 'intruder' was entering your house to murder you and your family, what right do we have to make the decision that our family should live and the intruder should die? We don't know how the intruder got to that point, and in 99% of circumstances society is more to blame than the individual. As part of said society, we are partly responsible for every crime committed against us by others.

Naturally, it's understandable for someone to kill to save their family, but justifiable? Never.

Damn right.

[ZenSilk]

It's never justifiable?

So, let's just say for discussion sake, this dude walks in your hosue, kills your wife and your two children, your 2 cats and your dog and even drowns your kid's hamster.

You catch him of guard, and you have a loaded pistol, and you blow his brains out.

You can truly sit and tell me that's not justifiable?

[Johnny_D]

+1 to Zensilk.

I am going play the 'Parent card' here.

The minute someone enters my house without permission then all bets are off. Why is he/she/it entering my home?
I ain't waiting around to find out. I've got 3 daughters. And I'd do anything to protect them.

Our home is our sanctuary. Break in at your own risk.

JD

[boulderkid303]

No its more stooping down to his level. Causing death in no way is right to me. It is NOT up to me wether a man lives or not.

It's never justifiable?

So, let's just say for discussion sake, this dude walks in your hosue, kills your wife and your two children, your 2 cats and your dog and even drowns your kid's hamster.

You catch him of guard, and you have a loaded pistol, and you blow his brains out.

You can truly sit and tell me that's not justifiable?

[ZenSilk]

That's a good point. But now, will you let him run away? Or will you put him in prison? most likely he'll get a life sentence, maybe 25-30 years. Either way, he will sit and rot in prison. Is prison life that much better than dying?

[boulderkid303]

Zen to me personally yes. I fear death more than anything in life. Thats just me. Id rather sit in a prison than die.

That's a good point. But now, will you let him run away? Or will you put him in prison? most likely he'll get a life sentence, maybe 25-30 years. Either way, he will sit and rot in prison. Is prison life that much better than dying?