Texas Man Shoots And Kills Two Burglars

[Ooph]

News Coverage of the story!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/e/5303222.html

Video conversation..

http://www.khou.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=193240

[.cOLt.45.]

wow

thats like 30 minutes from where i live

[Ooph]

wow

thats like 30 minutes from where i live

Damn you got crazy ass people in Texas LOL.

[.cOLt.45.]

and thats a nice neighborhood....



try alief...thats where i used to live

[Johnny_D]

Hope no one you knew was involved Colt.

JD

[.cOLt.45.]

back in alief and even here in galena park...yeah people i know get involved..just not in this particular incident...that neighborhood is too nice

[HookahDude831]

this is why every state should have the same trespassing laws as texas.

[camelflage]

yeah, its a lot trickier when defending someone elses property. when i was in NC there was the 'make my day' law, that allowed you to fatally shoot a burgler in your home if you felt thretened. even in the back. i just liked the name of it.

[cabanapatio]

haha only in Texas! hey colt, I see got love for the ags; next weeks game is gonna be interesting to say the least

[TheScotsman]

yeah, its a lot trickier when defending someone elses property. when i was in NC there was the 'make my day' law, that allowed you to fatally shoot a burgler in your home if you felt thretened. even in the back. i just liked the name of it.

I think one has a duty in most states to attempt to retreat first, and engage only as a last resort. Texas is pretty well a free-for-all. I had a guy working for me that wad worked repo in Texas just after he got out of the army, he said he would have felt safer riding a moped through Fallujah than doing a repo in Texas.

Would you really want to shoot someone that was fleeing? I own allot of good stuff... but I really doubt any of it would be worth that. (except maybe my hookah )

[ZenSilk]

Good, they had it coming trying to rob a Texan. Idiots.

Over here, since i can't kill someone for trespassing, i'd use torture, or hire a guy from the likes of Pulp Fiction to have his way with their asses. No one gets into my house and is able to come out an talk about it, either for lack of body parts needed to speak, or hushed out of embarassment.

I'm gettin Bubba on speed dial!

[.cOLt.45.]

lol yuuup

only in texas

i mean..the guy seemed to be genuinely nice


cabana

im all for UT ;P

[ZenSilk]

It's just what Hank Hill would do.

[.cOLt.45.]

no

hank hill wouldnt have called the cops

he woulda walked out and pimp smacked em like he did that one guy

[Foos]

yeah, its a lot trickier when defending someone else's property. when i was in NC there was the 'make my day' law, that allowed you to fatally shoot a burgler in your home if you felt threatened. even in the back. i just liked the name of it.

We have the same "Make my day" law here in Colorado. It translates too, if you feel threatened on your own property you have the right to use lethal force. At least I think thats what I remember it being. Edited November 19, 2007 by Foos

[bulletmike87]

He's going to run into trouble because he called 911 and was telling the operator he was going to kill the burglars. He was pumping his shotgun into the phone for the operator to hear and everything.


EDIT: I understand the reasoning behind the "Make my day law", but he had already made the 911 call. I don't know, it just sounds like he was looking for a reason to shoot somebody? If someone has a clearer view, please let me know, as I'm a little confused by the whole thing.


And by no means am I anti-gun/anti-home defense. Edited November 20, 2007 by bulletmike87

[camelflage]

this kind of ties in with the carrying a gun thread, but for me its not about the posessions. i think if someone was interested in taking my stuff i would let them walk out with it, but if i felt like there was a chance they were going to harm me or the people living with me, i wouldnt hesitate to use lethal force. gun, knife, toothpick, hell id even hit them with a KM if thats what it took.

[Gaara]

I'm all up for it.

I live in a safe neighborhood so thought it'd never happen to people around here but my friend's place was just burgalized a few weeks ago.

I'd try to use physical force to stop the thief and if he runs away so be it. If he retaliates, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot him. If only Texas laws applied here as well.

[Ooph]

Well a shotgun is not a long ranged weapon and I believed they came after him and he shot at them.

[Gaara]

Well a shotgun is not a long ranged weapon and I believed they came after him and he shot at them.

He also gave a warning saying, "stop or you're dead!" but they kept running. They must have seen he had a shotgun so too bad for them. They took that chance and now they're dead. Although their fate doesn't fit their crime, there are two less criminals on the streets now.

[.cOLt.45.]

In the words of wild bill huckock (I think thats his name)

Killing a bad guy is like killing a rat or an ugly cat.


lol

[Geiseric]

He also gave a warning saying, "stop or you're dead!" but they kept running. They must have seen he had a shotgun so too bad for them. They took that chance and now they're dead. Although their fate doesn't fit their crime, there are two less criminals on the streets now.

Crime is deviance that is defined by society to be so detrimental to society that it must be punished severely through the state. Deviance, no matter what paradigm you fit into, is a natural and inevitable part of society. If you are a functionalist, which the majority of current America society is, your belief leads to the conclusion that crime is existent, therefor fulfills a role in society that is needed. I.E. Functional. Every single person in the world has committed deviance, and it is fairly safe to assume that you have all committed deviance fallen into the definition of crime, ex. jaywalking. We are all criminals, and pushed in the proper direction, capable of violent crime. "Getting criminals off the street" is one of the most foolish justifications for retribution in existence. I apologize if I come off as harsh in this regard, but it always pisses me off when I hear that. Self defense has its place, however self defense is often claimed to cover foolish, vengeful or agitated reactions. While he may have claimed that they were running towards him when he fired, it was far more likely that they were either at an impasse, or withdrawing. No one runs at a loaded shotgun. I am not claiming that he was outside of his rights to draw a weapon on them (although I lean towards gun control, simply because weapons DO often step up simple physical confrontations to homicide), but making a hero or even a just cause out of him disgusts me.

*Edit*

I can't say anything concrete on what exactly was stated to have happened, the link to the video is dead, so I cannot see. But I am just drawing from previous examples of similar cases where self defense is claimed. If in fact they were shown to be running after he shouted a warning and pointed a weapon at them... Very unusual. However, the story states that he fired multiple times, which would lean me toward a vengeful shooting. Edited November 20, 2007 by Geiseric

[bubbascigars]

This guy needs to start smoking hookah and or cigars to relax him. so he can shoot people all mellow and relaxed.

Cool

I want him as a neighbor.

[smoker6146]

I always shake my head when I see comments like a neighbor made at the bottom of the article, about how he use to let his kids play in the streets but not anymore..........because one incident like this is suddenly made the neighborhood dangerous.

[boulderkid303]

This is pathetic......No right to take someones life just because of theft. Let the men of law do there jobs. In no way are items more important than life. You can always get items back, but you can't come back from the dead.