Syrian Engineer Or Syrian Glyph?

[Canon]

i got the glyph, havent been able to smoke it yet (will wednesday or thursday) but my girlfriend did the leak test and it aced it, she said that it should smoke fine. i got the glyph over the engineer because i believe it works better, whatever your choice, both are good hookahs imo

[gaia.plateau]

I would definitely go with the Glyph, between the two.

I am myself currently trying to decide between the Glyph and the Snake for my third pipe.

[Scoop]

i have a glyph. get it. wont be disappointed

[spankzit]

I have two hookahs-one is a Mya Gyro (two piece stem) and my second hookah is a no-name one piece stem hookah. There is no draw back to using the two piece from Mya. It has no leaks and smokes very nicely.

I know you said you don't care about the ease of cleaning or portability, but the two piece stem does take a little more time to clean than the one piece because all of the cloisonne parts that have to come off of it. In other words, when you go up to a two piece stem, you might go up to 9 or so diffferent parts that you have to disassemble in order to get the the two piece stem. It really is a significant difference.

[ZenSilk]

Neither. They arent even brass.

JandR Syrian or SocialSmoke Syrian for you. Period.

[gaia.plateau]

Neither. They arent even brass.

JandR Syrian or SocialSmoke Syrian for you. Period.

*cough*brassfanboy*cough*

[ZenSilk]

Fuck yes. Brass is heavy, more sturdy, more durable, looks much better, can't rust (only oxidize), and lasts way longer than "Steel".
And brass is traditional "Surgical stainless steel" is not.

I would for sure say brass over steel, i want him to get the best for his money.

When H-S gets a brass hookah, i'm buying it.

There's no argument that can put SS over Brass, other than cost, and if you want to buy crap it's up to you.

He asked for reccomendations, i gave him what i prefer as the best. JandR Syrians are the best Syrians, there is no doubt.

[gaia.plateau]

Fuck yes. Brass is heavy, more sturdy, more durable, looks much better, can't rust (only oxidize), and lasts way longer than "Steel".
And brass is traditional "Surgical stainless steel" is not.

I would for sure say brass over steel, i want him to get the best for his money.

When H-S gets a brass hookah, i'm buying it.

There's no argument that can put SS over Brass, other than cost, and if you want to buy crap it's up to you.

He asked for reccomendations, i gave him what i prefer as the best. JandR Syrians are the best Syrians, there is no doubt.

Well, Brass does rust, (fact), just not as easily as stainless steel. As to being heavier, sturdier, and better looking, the JandR hookah you cited is only brass on the inside, isn't it? (I'm going mostly by the pictures you posted in another thread). I don't even have to argue that whether it looks better is a matter of personal preference, because you can't see it

Traditional, yes, relatively. More durable, also true. But when you have to compromise other aspects of the hookah (you admitted that you had several problems with your JandR pipe, for example), and personal aesthetic preference, I think it becomes a compromise that might not be worthwhile.

I guess the bottom line is that if you care for your hookah properly, whether it be steel or brass, it can last forever. It won't rust if you keep it dry, and it shouldn't break if you're not reckless with it.

Do you always smoke your pipe off the floor? Because that's uncompromisable if you want to smoke traditionally And really, Syrian hookahs aren't completely traditional, as they are derivative from Kashmir and Egyptian hookahs.

So that's sturdiness, durability, aesthetics, rusting, longevity, and tradition rebuked. Brass is inarguably heavier, but both the engineer and the glyph are relatively very heavy, solid pipes anyway- if it's heavy enough to never tip over with reasonable usage, extra weight would be a negative point in my opinion.

In the end, personal preference is everything.

Edit:

He asked for reccomendations, i gave him what i prefer as the best.

To be truthful, you told him what is the best. Presenting subjective opinion as factual information is the definition of propaganda. To be truthful. Edited November 19, 2007 by gaia.plateau

[oolatec]

Neither. They arent even brass.

JandR Syrian or SocialSmoke Syrian for you. Period.

*cough*brassfanboy*cough*

Count me in too... both my Social Smoke and J&R Syrian pipes are solid brass.

[New2Hookah]

Im with Oolatec and Zen on this, Syrians are far better. We can all speak from experience, the other 2 guys more than me. I have only smoked from Egyptians besides my JandR Syrian. I believe Zen has had a KM and some Egyptians as well. Oolatec just stated he owns a SS Syrian and Im sure he has owned a few others and Waterboi owns a Vortex and now a JandR Syrian. People can talk and talk all day long about how well something works or how much better it is compared to other things...but it doesnt mean anything unless you personally have actually compared it to other things and not just assume or claim. I think we have all (those of us who say Syrian is better) compared them to other rigs, and essentially, that does give it some factual significance.

[waterboi]

I am with Oolatec, Zen and New2Hookah. lol. I also have a jandr syrian. By far my best hookah I have purchased and smoked out of also. Solid brass stem and base that is very sturdy and thick.

[New2Hookah]

Not sure if one is better than the other. Probably the same maker, the only difference is the deisgn...or thats what it seems like. Its basically your preference which one is better. Unless, of course, someone has tried both

[gaia.plateau]

Not sure if one is better than the other. Probably the same maker, the only difference is the deisgn...or thats what it seems like. Its basically your preference which one is better. Unless, of course, someone has tried both

That's sort of what I was hoping for. There's a review on the snake on the forum, which had several negative points to make... I'm torn on which I prefer aesthetically, literally changing my mind every day.

[RayVer]

have you looked at the JandR Syrians? I have seen nothing but great reviews about those Syrians... I might be getting the 29" snake from JandR myself soon. Edited November 20, 2007 by RayVer

[oolatec]

Im with Oolatec and Zen on this, Syrians are far better. We can all speak from experience, the other 2 guys more than me. I have only smoked from Egyptians besides my JandR Syrian. I believe Zen has had a KM and some Egyptians as well. Oolatec just stated he owns a SS Syrian and Im sure he has owned a few others and Waterboi owns a Vortex and now a JandR Syrian. People can talk and talk all day long about how well something works or how much better it is compared to other things...but it doesnt mean anything unless you personally have actually compared it to other things and not just assume or claim. I think we have all (those of us who say Syrian is better) compared them to other rigs, and essentially, that does give it some factual significance.

I have both a SS Syrian and a the 26" J&R blue/gold. These are my regular at-home smokers... but I do go out to lounges a lot where they have MYAs, and Egyptians... I can tell you that the Syrians smoke way better. Easier hits, very thick smoke (but that's more to do with brand of shisha/and bowl... none of the lounges I go to use the phunnel).

This one Turkish Restaurant I frequent uses Egyptial rotators and one of the tobacco brands from Saudi Arabia... before I purchased my own hookahs and started smoking at home, I thought that was the perfect combination... Well, I definitely know better now...

http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?autoc...=si&img=380

[gaia.plateau]

have you looked at the JandR Syrians? I have seen nothing but great reviews about those Syrians... I might be getting the 29" snake from JandR myself soon.

I looked at them, but aesthetically they all bore me. I've seriously considered getting one nonetheless though, and still am. If they were able to make one that looks remotely different from the standard homogenous shaft on a shabbily painted base, I'd be sold!

Edit: Do you know if that make that snake in 2-hose? I hadn't seen that one when I searched before, it's actually quite nice. Edited November 20, 2007 by gaia.plateau

[oolatec]

have you looked at the JandR Syrians? I have seen nothing but great reviews about those Syrians... I might be getting the 29" snake from JandR myself soon.

I looked at them, but aesthetically they all bore me. I've seriously considered getting one nonetheless though, and still am. If they were able to make one that looks remotely different from the standard homogenous shaft on a shabbily painted base, I'd be sold!

Edit: Do you know if that make that snake in 2-hose? I hadn't seen that one when I searched before, it's actually quite nice.

Have a peek at the 29" green and gold:

http://jandrhookahs.com/29-syrian-1-hose-g...-gold-p-63.html

The snake is here:

http://jandrhookahs.com/29-syrian-1-hose-g...snake-p-65.html

[gaia.plateau]

Have a peek at the 29" green and gold:

http://jandrhookahs.com/29-syrian-1-hose-g...-gold-p-63.html

The snake is here:

http://jandrhookahs.com/29-syrian-1-hose-g...snake-p-65.html

I looked at the green and gold before, and it didn't really interest me (for one thing... where the hell is the green?). My next pipe is definitely going to be a 2-hose, I've been using a 1-hose Syrian with a mod and the modded hose requires twice as hard a draw.

I like the idea of having a bigger, more durable and rust-resistant stem, which is why I'm attracted to the pipes at JandR and Piratehookahs, but so far the benefits from an H-S hookah that will last just as long with proper care, smokes nearly as well and looks far better (to me) are outweighing it.

How is the customer service at J&R? H-S was happy to swap the snake/glyph hoses for nammors for $6/each, do you think that J&R would do the same?

Edit: does anyone else think that the J&R snake's basin looks like it was painted by a 6 year old? Edited November 20, 2007 by gaia.plateau

[ZenSilk]

I would reccomend a JandR Syrian over a H-S Syrian merely based on build quality.

They both will pretty much smoke the EXACT same.

JandR Syrians are all brass, and by all i mean ALL. Basically, think of it like this: they take a block of brass, carve a stem piece out of it, carve threads into it, and it's done. The heart is a little more complicated to fabricate of course, but it's all brass inside and out as well. It is a common chamber, and i'm not sure about H-S syrians, but i would say they are CC as well because of the multiple hose options, leading to the "harder" draw.

Brass is tougher and thicker than SS, the walls of the Stem pieces of the JandR are MUCH thicker than the H-S Syrians because H-S makes theirs out of SS, a thinner and easier to dent/bend metal.

[ZenSilk]

""""""I looked at the green and gold before, and it didn't really interest me (for one thing... where the hell is the green?). My next pipe is definitely going to be a 2-hose, I've been using a 1-hose Syrian with a mod and the modded hose requires twice as hard a draw.

I like the idea of having a bigger, more durable and rust-resistant stem, which is why I'm attracted to the pipes at JandR and Piratehookahs, but so far the benefits from an H-S hookah that will last just as long with proper care, smokes nearly as well and looks far better (to me) are outweighing it.

How is the customer service at J&R? H-S was happy to swap the snake/glyph hoses for nammors for $6/each, do you think that J&R would do the same?

Edit: does anyone else think that the J&R snake's basin looks like it was painted by a 6 year old?""""""



H-S Syrians smoke the same, tighter pull, acts as a very simple diffuser. And i do like the Snake from H-S.

Is shipping a concern of yours?

And i do know some talented six year old painters.... Edited November 20, 2007 by ZenSilk

[gaia.plateau]

I would reccomend a JandR Syrian over a H-S Syrian merely based on build quality.

They both will pretty much smoke the EXACT same.

JandR Syrians are all brass, and by all i mean ALL. Basically, think of it like this: they take a block of brass, carve a stem piece out of it, carve threads into it, and it's done. The heart is a little more complicated to fabricate of course, but it's all brass inside and out as well. It is a common chamber, and i'm not sure about H-S syrians, but i would say they are CC as well because of the multiple hose options, leading to the "harder" draw.

Brass is tougher and thicker than SS, the walls of the Stem pieces of the JandR are MUCH thicker than the H-S Syrians because H-S makes theirs out of SS, a thinner and easier to dent/bend metal.

The J&R syrians are all plated with SS or other metals, aren't they?

The Syrian I currently own is from smoking-hookah.com... not very good craftsmanship, but again I was a newb at buying pipes and I ordered based on aesthetics alone (the shaft is hand-carved wood with a really slick design).

Another thing that any buyer should consider is the price and freebies, no? It doesn't look like J&R throws much in with their pipes, and you definitely pay more for the brass.

[gaia.plateau]

H-S Syrians smoke the same, tighter pull, acts as a very simple diffuser. And i do like the Snake from H-S.

Is shipping a concern of yours?

And i do know some talented six year old painters....

Shipping is a major concern, being in Canada I get dinged pretty hard- this is a major contributing factor to my leaning toward H-S, they have extremely competitive shipping rates. For the pipe, hoses, 350g of tobacco and several other accessories I have on preorder (about $150) the shipping is only $25, which is just slightly more than what I'd pay to Nazarhookah or Mnhookah for a box of tobacco.

Edit: Mmm I think I'm going to go with the Glyph, based on a few factors.

- I really love the cone-shaped heart chamber
- I require a 2-hoser, so all the spiffy JandRs are out
- I think it will look better than the H-S snake with 2 green nammors and matching jade velvet covers- a nice gold/green motif without throwing in the silver
- I don't like balls on my shaft (I actually didn't intend for that to sound filthy... honest)
- The H-S snake got a less than glowing review here on the forum
- If I ever get the 1-hose JandR snake in the future... I don't want to have 2 snake hookahs Edited November 20, 2007 by gaia.plateau

[ZenSilk]

JandR Syrians are white brass, or nickel plated brass, i'm not entirely sure. But you can get a brass or nickel-plated brass downstem, i have both.

And i was going to say, JandR shipping would be very very high to Canada, it's already about 30 bucks from Texas to here (Utah).


H-S has the 2nd-best shipping charges IMO. .. Right behind HC, which is a dollar less. Edited November 20, 2007 by ZenSilk

[gaia.plateau]

JandR Syrians are white brass, or nickel plated brass, i'm not entirely sure. But you can get a brass or nickel-plated brass downstem, i have both.

And i was going to say, JandR shipping would be very very high to Canada, it's already about 30 bucks from Texas to here (Utah).


H-S has the 2nd-best shipping charges IMO. .. Right behind HC, which is a dollar less.

I don't think that HC ships to Canada it's not on their shipping options.

I actually found that the cheapest shippers to the great white North are the Jordan-based smoking-hookah.com, especially if you're getting heavy stuff like charcoals. They ship as a percentage of the cost, instead of by weight. They unfortunately have shoddily made hookahs and a slim selection of tobacco.

[ZenSilk]

I was just about to scream
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
but then i read the rest of your post. Whew!

I don't even consider them a company. YUCK.