The Console Debate Rages On - Rant

[EvansLight]

Its been a while since i had a gaming rant so lets have another shall we?

Ill start us off First, to those who don't know or don't remember, i love my 360 but i wasn't always an xbox user. I was a sony fanboy for many a year, that is until i got an xbox for my B-day. Granted i still played my PS2 to death, and thought microshit and there xbox were crap. But i started seeing the info about the 360 and man did i fall in love. I waited 13 hours in the freezing cold to get my xbox on launch.

Since then i have more then enjoyed myself, and now have a game collection bigger then any ive ever had, and have a friends list full of awesome people, some ive met and become friends with in real life, and others i just love destroying online. So yea im a bit biased towards the 360, hell i don't even have the money to get a PS3, and when i have had money to get a Wii i couldnt find one XD

So now thats out of the way, onto my little rant XD

Now first off i gotta point out the whole track record of sony fan boys arguments. If you remember back when the PS3 secs were finally released, and the 360 was about to come out, the fanboys said that the PS3 was the easy winner simply because it had far more power then the 360. But once people started really disecting the systems and comparing what each could do, it was realized that while the PS3 is a powerhouse, when comapred in full with all its specs compared to the 360, they about even out as each wins in certain areas.

As soon as they started admitting that was true, and once they stopped trying to convince us the "new" controller (which got scrapped) would be better, they said that "It comes down the games and PS3 is going to have the best!!" Now yes this next part is personal opinion, but based on game sells alone you can't deny that 360 has had a whole heaping of extremely popular games, and considering the amount of people still playing some of these a whole crapload (gears of war... nuff said) its hard to deny that the 360 has had some of the best exclusive games this console generation.

So finally ive had a few of the guys i know who are still sony loyal admit to the fact that yea, the 360, whether they are really that good of games, has exclusives that have destroyed and eaten for breakfast anything PS3 has come out with. Now that they have admitted to defeat in that area so far, they turn back to the specs. Well call me crazy, but in every comparison that ive seen of multi platform games the 360 version has looked better. Add in the achievements (no matter what you say, they have become a great driving force when people who own both decide which system to get the game for) and the xbox live service, its hard not to pick the 360 versions over the PS3 versions.

So when backed into a corner about this subject, must sony fanboys devolve to just taking potshots at MS and there system, as well as the FUBARed red lights of doom issue. I admit the 360 has to be the worst console in terms of amount of them broken, but an article pointed something out to me. Some people are on there 5th, 6th, hell i found one guy on his 7th 360. Now answer me this, why would anyone go through that if the console wasn't worth it?

Now i wish i could just own all 3 systems, and be happy with each, but there so far is not one game out for the PS3 that has made me want to drop the money on it. Hell the only real reason ive been tempted to buy one is a cheap bluray player, thats it. Another thing you need to know about me is the fact that i am a die hard MGS fan. I have played through some of the MGS games to the point of memorization (i can probably still recite dialog from MGS2). But even the awesome love i have for that series only makes me a bit more tempted to get a PS3. There is no killer app for sonys latest console that really makes me want to go out and buy one.

If you ask me Sony got too damn cocky, they didn't inovate going from the ps to the ps2, just upped the hardware power, and it wasn't looking like they were really going to innovate anywhere but hardware specs this round, and they didn't, they just jacked ideas from MS and Nintendo and tried to just dismiss everything as BS. Add in the lies sony has told (cant add rumble to motion sensing controller my ass) and the spewing marketing stating theres is the best, thats it.

They have not been able to back anything up so far, and gamers are starting to get tired of it. I see more and more people converting to the 360, i don't see ANY convert to the PS3 (some have left for the Wii, but i like the Wii.... yea don't ask). But no matter what the sony fanboys will be loyal to the end, and i think if sony keeps this crap up it might very well be the end.

Even with the problems its had, the 360 is leading the market for next gen consoles:
http://www.digital-digest.com/blog/DVDGuy/...igure-analysis/

hell looking at that its just sad, PS3 is being outsold by PS2... and now sony is even making a new version of there ps2, instead of trying to pull there ass out of the gutter... Its just sad XD

Now the sony fan boys still out there on the forums let lose with anything, i probably have an argument or answer for anything XD And yes the 360 has its own flaws, but im not talking about those, im just comparing the two consoles

[ZenSilk]

Well, i don't want to be an ashole, but it seems like the kids who... umm... how do i put this... well back when PS2 and Xbox were big, the people who dug Xbox were mostly.. people who couldn't do math very well.. didn't have straight A's...liked to party...The kids who had PS2's were the kids, with kind of a lack of social skills, who liked computers and math and were much smarter kids.

Playstation i believe is more aimed toward smarter people, and the smarter kids tend to be the less social kids. Xbox has great Sports games, Playstation has better RPG games, like Final Fanatsy and DotHack, which i've tried to play both, but i just don't find them fun. I've always been a Nintendo/Xbox kinda guy, and my old best friend, who was a Techie all through highschool and got into computers quite a bit and kind of lost his abiltiy to act socially, loved Sony the whole time. His borther, a baseball player and football player and basketball player, loved Xbox.

That's just what i've noticed, it's not necessarily true in any aspect.

I like Xbox because i love the games they offer. It's easy to use, and they offer great customer support.

[ghostofdavid]

You're all wrong. The best gaming system are pen and paper RPGS.

If you meant electronics, I own a 360 and a Wii.

I'd own a PS3 if they weren't insanely expensive and had more than half a good game.

[nicayotte]

Computer FTW, kills all systems in graphics and variety of games. From WoW to COD4 to NFS: Pro Street

[Elky]

I used to be a PC gamer, but I got tired of shelling out money twice a year to upgrade my PC so that I could play the latest games. Yes PCs do offer the best experiance, but you have to either be lucky eanough to get a mint rig to start with, or keep upgrading like I did. Over this past summer, I worked my ass off and bought both a PS3 and a 360. To tell the truth, I love both systems. 360 has some awesome games like GoW and Mass Effect, but PS3 has had some winners too, Uncharted and Resistance. When it comes down to it I tend to buy multi platforms for whichever system I see it for first. If cost were an issue, I would recomend the Xbox, if someone were looking for a muti use system I would recomend the PS3 because of the blu-ray and the fact that most of the best games (in my own opinion) are multi platform, also I like the free online play of the PS3, but I'm not a huge online gammer and I can understand why some would prefer to pay for Microsoft's XBL. All in all I think they both have their spots and this pissing contest between the two of them is over done.

[EvansLight]

Computer FTW, kills all systems in graphics and variety of games. From WoW to COD4 to NFS: Pro Street

Yea it would be FTW if you didn't have to spend a small fortune to play the latest games. When the consoles first come out no normal gaming rig can match what they got, since its the latest tech. I would rather spend $400 for a console to play the same game with slightly less graphical power (not by much on most games) then drop $1500-3000 on a gaming rig to do the same.

[Foos]

I pretty much agree with everything your first post mentioned. I think PC's become impractical for gaming when you need to spend tons of money just to play new releases. I love my 360 and have never been a PS fan. I think online gaming is the most important factor for me which made getting another X-box an easy decision. I'm not sure of the facts but does the PS3 have any kind of tool for online gaming? Like take CoD4 for example. It was a multi platform release but if a PS3 owner bought it could they play online? I think XBL is the greatest tool created for consoles. I also think ZenSilks post is just retarded, no offense but it's a pretty ridiculous claim. Edited November 25, 2007 by Foos

[SafeSearchOff]

Computer FTW, kills all systems in graphics and variety of games. From WoW to COD4 to NFS: Pro Street

dude. like the others said.

1: a computer that will keep up to date with the new games for a year to 2 years will cost well over a grand.
2: i was like okay WoW... solid game, shitty GFX... COD4... Good game... NFS? WTF? I'm sorry. NFS sucks.

have you seen halo 3? gears of war? mass effect? blacksite area 51? kane and lynch? PC doesnt have as stellar graphicsal games.

and i'm not biased.  i grew up as an AoE addict, then CS, then wc3, and GW.  but systems definately own PCs

[Geiseric]

Just to throw in a little, lets think about this economically:

The majority of gaming market is what? The casual gamer. What does the casual gamer typically use? A console. The majority of the gaming market is in consoles. Publishers can make vastly more profit in the console market, and so will invest more in it. This is shown in the substantially proportionate difference in number of annual releases for consoles vs. pc. A more active market means more competition. More competition means higher quality goods for less money. I am both a PC and console gamer, but in all honesty I see a lot more well designed games on the console side of the wall. There is simply always going to be more AAA titles on the console side because they can make more profit there!

Yes, pc offers far more ability for customization. However, as the recent rise in Macs has shown, people don't necessarily want control. They want ease of use. I'm not saying this is a good thing, I am adamantly anti-Mac for this very reason, I see end-user control slipping down the drain. I'm just saying: the market has shown the general preference. Also, you must think, with a consistent hardware set, the devs. can more time working on kinks specific to that hardware, rather than trying to make it run on the thousands of combinations of chip sets you can have in the PC realm. To be honest, I found myself purchasing Orange Box for my 360 rather than my PC. Why? Aside from a preference for the controller in FPSs (I know, I am weird, but hey, I spent the last 6 years playing Halo an unhealthy amount of time), I knew it it would run on fairly high settings (Lets face it, the 360 is a fairly powerful machine) with no effort on my part screwing around with settings. And I own a fairly powerful PC.

[nicayotte]

I disagree with people who say you have to spend $2000+ to get a gaming rig..... The only reason you need something like that is to play everything on max, need it be I work at a computer store and get some discounts but websites like newegg.com and zipzoomfly make getting/building a gaming computer easy for just under $1000 that includes everything, along with this it will last you more then 3 years....

[SafeSearchOff]

and have as impressive of graphics as on a console?

at the time when oblivion came out on PC, to make it have as good of graphics as on 360, you had to have like min. 2.8 ghz processor and one of the latest video cards.


console is mroe consistent

[gaia.plateau]

and have as impressive of graphics as on a console?

at the time when oblivion came out on PC, to make it have as good of graphics as on 360, you had to have like min. 2.8 ghz processor and one of the latest video cards.


console is mroe consistent

My rig cost $750... plays Lord of the Rings Online, Bioshock, Oblivion, Gears of War, Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2 on max or just a hair under max settings.

[SafeSearchOff]

how much is just a hair?

and my xbox, $480, plays those on max settings.

[Geiseric]

It is pointless to argue what is BETTER, it comes down to a matter of personal preference. Again I say, PC has customization going for it, whereas consoles have a larger pool of software to draw from. PC will always have the cutting edge, because of its nature of being constantly updated, while consoles will always be a little cheaper because of two very simple reasons: 1. To get that end user who doesn't want to spend $700 on a gaming rig (this is exemplified by the poor sales on PS3.. approaching that dangerous point where it becomes more economically sound to purchase something else) and 2. To keep the market share they already have via brand loyally, which you really don't see in PCs, aside from Nvidia and ATI/AMD loyalists.

[anathema]

Xbox360 has the simplest system and the is the most easily used online capable console, it's easily pick up and play until you get a ring of death. Not to mention all the downloadable content.

So, the Wii sold more in Oct than 360. So the DS has the sold more than the 360 and it's been out since 2005. If we're talking about overall sales, I'm betting that there will be more Wii's sold than 360's due to the fact that regular gamers buy a wii and families buy a wii but not a 360.

How come you guys don't name games like BioShock?
Also, at 50 dollars a game, you'd save money to buy and extra 360 and mod it to play burned single player campaigns.

[Geiseric]

I've thought about it, but I just can't justify it becuase I already have all the games I want right now.

[gaia.plateau]

how much is just a hair?

A hair is like, out of 15 visual settings, maybe 2 are set only to "very high" instead of "ultra high"

[SafeSearchOff]

okay, impressive.

anathema- here's why i didnt mention bioshock. i actually got a slap (playful) in the face for saying this. but i actually have alot of people who agree with me.

bioshock.. ehh. people are like "its so intricate! its so well thought out. the environment is incredible!" it seriously looks like they just build like a building in the 60's, and then shat on it. seriously. it looks like they literally jsut smeared dodie all over the walls, added water damage, and random litter. that is what bioshock looked like to me, and im not impressed by a game that just makes me walk through a piece of s*** rundown mall = that happens to be underwater.

[Geiseric]

Have you played it all the way through? While I was impressed by the detail put into the enviroments, and the very well done textures, what really struck about the game was the depth and overall quality of everything fitting together. It is a VERY well done game, but it isn't very apparent in the first few hours of the game, giving me the same reaction at first. Also, it runs a LOT better on PC, which is probobly why it hasn't been mentioned. The frame limit on xbox is removable, but it runs very poorly with it turned off.

[Bulldog_916]

I like PC gaming much more than console gaming. Granted, it's more expensive to buy a PC than to buy a console per the amount of time you can play current generation games at maximum efficiency. But most times, you can upgrade components every few years and still be ok. I got my system in 2004 and it can still play Oblivion on medium settings. Not bad, almost 4 years per upgrade. I calculated out the price of getting updated hardware and it would only cost about 700 bucks to get everything I want and put it in the rig I have now. I like the capacity for customization with a PC over a console. Plus it's fun to sit in the garage and tweak and overclock till everything is right where you want it.

[Elky]

I pretty much agree with everything your first post mentioned. I think PC's become impractical for gaming when you need to spend tons of money just to play new releases. I love my 360 and have never been a PS fan. I think online gaming is the most important factor for me which made getting another X-box an easy decision. I'm not sure of the facts but does the PS3 have any kind of tool for online gaming? Like take CoD4 for example. It was a multi platform release but if a PS3 owner bought it could they play online? I think XBL is the greatest tool created for consoles. I also think ZenSilks post is just retarded, no offense but it's a pretty ridiculous claim.

The PS3 does have online gamming, and its Free!
Granted it isnt as good as XBL but for a more casual gamer like me, its just fine.

[anathema]

Games that don't make you think twice about your actions almost shouldn't be considered a a decent game and I don't mean complex intricate puzzles that take you away from the action.

Gameplay is the most important thing to me. I need at least moderately paced gameplay with varied options to approach a game. Games like Half Life 2 revolutionized first person shooters and so did Hitman(or did some other game come before this that lets you manipulate your enemies in close combat?). Half Life 2 wasn't good but it set the bar from the mindless shooters, incorporating environment.

For consoles, I haven't seen many games on the PS3 that deserve even a $20 price tag much less buying a $400 console/blu ray player to play these overpriced games. Except that I almost did buy a PS3 just to play Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction since the previous ones were probably the best platformers ever until I read the reviews stating that it was just a mass of new tools just for kicks.

I have a wii, and I'm still waiting on some real games (metroid is just a simple shooter/wannabe platformer; paper mario is just a puzzle rpg; zelda, it's hack and slash combined with puzzles; mario party 8 isn't even a game, neither is warioware; mario strikers has somewhat of a complex system but it still lacks in the competitive depth). Wii Boxing is more of a game than any of the ones listed above.

Only game for a wii is mario galaxy which has a shitty story with shitty gameplay advancements, since you just start new levels, get new suits, and get more stars. Only depth here is the fantastic level design.

PC games started a trend towards graphics and alien shooters dropping gameplay.
Xbox games started a trend towards shooters period combined with some supernatural element.
PS3 games are just trying to make console exclusive sequels of ps2 games to get people to actually buy it.
Wii games are all crap if you're looking for gameplay and not the nostalgic value of nintendo. If Wii sports was 50 bucks, i'd buy it over any other game anytime.

[Christama]

I am getting a 360 for Christmas. The Orange Box and Halo 3 being the main reasons. PS3 just doesn't have the games I want to play, and I don't have a HDTV yet, so Blu-Ray doesn't matter to me (now).

[anathema]

But you DO have a 360 which means it comes out through HD so you do NEED A HDTV.

Games in HD > Movies in HD