Indian Giver?

[ZenSilk]

I've decided to use the term "White-Man Giver" in place of "Indian Giver" for it is more politically correct. The WHITE MAN gave and took back land from the INDIANS, not vice versa.

[Canon]

correction, the white man took everything then gave some land back..

[newsman]

Actually, that's exactly what happened. Your position is not a matter of politcal correctness, though; it's a matter of being factual. As a matter of fact, let's correct some more of our falsified history. For instance, we like to say that we gave the native americans $24 for Manhatten island. That's not true; we gave them lots of other things... alcoholism, venereal disease, small pox...

Unfortunately, history is written by the victors. Thanks for being aware of our inherant hyocracy.

[ZenSilk]

Hey i wasn't trying to be all smart about it, it justc ame ot me and that's what is ay now. Then i don't say the word "Indian".

[TheScotsman]

What is wrong with the word "Indian"?

Ya, the whites gave "some" land back, like the Black Hills... until they found gold, then took it back... again. In this area they gave the Indians several large areas, but then when they wanted the lake, or the fertile farming land around White Earth, they took that back... again.

I think white-man giver would be more accurate

[Get Crunk!]

I've decided to use the term "White-Man Giver" in place of "Indian Giver" for it is more politically correct. The WHITE MAN gave and took back land from the INDIANS, not vice versa.

haha chyeah, makes sense

[ghostofdavid]

When you guys start buying property in a few years, you are more than welcome to give it back to the Indians!

[gaia.plateau]

What is wrong with the word "Indian"?

It's derrogatory and inaccurate. Do you find anything wrong with the words "nigger", "faggot", "kike", or etcetera?

Aboriginal, indigenous, or native are the accepted vernacular, though I personally eschew the term "native" because it is just as inaccurate as the word "Indian" - the only natives in the world are the indigenous tribes of Ethiopia and Eretria, all other aboriginal populations immigrated at some point in the past 100,000 years.

[ghostofdavid]

I think unless you are an Indian yourself, you shouldn't tell other people what you can and cannot call them.

Dot or feather?!

[ZenSilk]

It's like calling a Mexican a Spaniard.

Indians are from India last time i checked... I don't really know if it's derrogatory, i just don't like calling Native Americans Indians, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Just like Eskimos, people get pissy when you call them that, they say "Call them Inuits!" and i'm like... What the fuck is an Inuit? Eskimo Pies are Delicious! And there's an Eskimo on the front! The both sound Northern to me anyway.

There is also the term "American Indian" that is used a bit, and that confuses me even more. I guess it's like saying "African American"?

Also, when i use the "N" word, i don't mean it in a derrogatory nature, and all of my friends who are "Black" or "African American" (whatever pops your cherry i suppose...) know that i don't, even though i don't ever try to let it slip. But how am i suppose to control my mouth when Rap is the mainstream music nowadays and i hear that word literally 40 times a day?

It's too much to think about. Indians are from India. Native Americans are, in terms of us white folk, Native to America. Eskimo is the American word for Inuit i suppose, and it is also a delicious ice cream treat. I only call bitchy women the "C" word, cause they are just bitches. But then i have called a guy a Bitch before, so i guess that was wrong too...But then i'm calling them a femal dog, and so do i need to start calling my Dog a bitch? If i call ym Dog a bitch people will think i'm a Redneck. But then if they think I'm a redneck, that's derrogatory for trailer-trash, which is also derrogatory for white trash, which is derrogatory for poor white people i trailer parks or mountains wiht only a few teeth and screw their sisters.

It goes on forever, but for now the term "Indian Giver" is not a part of my vocabulary, it has been switched with "White-man Giver". I'm not racist at all.... actually i am racist towards white people and stereotypical towards Mexicans who wear bandanas and baggy clothes and Lugz and talk all trashy (actually i'm scared to death of them, they always seem to pop up and want to kill me or tell me to take my TIE-DYE bandana [they call it a rag] off my head and want to start a fight because i am in line ahead of them and also start a fight because i took a 100 dollar bill out of my wallet and they said "ooooo rich white boy flashin his bling! you showin off white boy??" in which i said "No, i have a job bitch" but luckily there was a cop near me because this movie theatre i was at is on the West side and there needs to be cops there because the Mexican gang-bangers like to start shit with each other). That's not racism... it's just Experience, lots of it. Tons actually.

[gaia.plateau]

It's too much to think about. Indians are from India. Native Americans are, in terms of us white folk, Native to America.

That's exactly the proble with the term. We label and identify them based in relativity to Europeans, instead of criteria from their own culture.

[ZenSilk]

Exactly. And i have not done enough research on them to truly know where they are from. nO one has, no one knows, so we take the easy way out.

[ghostofdavid]

Yea, I'm pretty much 100% Native American because I was born in North America. I suppose that makes Mexicans, Canadians, Equadorians (Huh?), Native Americans too.

I am also partially, racially speaking, Sioux Indian. I am registered as an ancestor of the Great Sioux Nation but as to what branch, I am not sure. Thanks for your blood, great-gramma Rambo!

[gaia.plateau]

Yea, I'm pretty much 100% Native American because I was born in North America. I suppose that makes Mexicans, Canadians, Equadorians (Huh?), Native Americans too.

Not really... 1) relatively Native Americans (ones who can trace their lineage back more than fifty thousand years as opposed to five hundred) wouldn't consider themselves to be natives of "America", because that's the Euro-centric word for the continents of the Western hemisphere. They'd consider themselves native Cree, or native Sioux, or native Lakota, or native Iroquois, etc. etc. And 2) simply being born somewhere doesn't necessarily make you native to a certain territory (although I can understand your point of view). Just to give you an example, to become a citizen of Switzerland, your great-grandfather, grandfather, father, and yourself all have to be born in Switzerland. Even three generations is not enough to garner citzen-status, let alone native-status.

[ghostofdavid]

No, I'm native to America... I'll call myself Native American. Also, as someone with Indian blood I'll say we like the term Native America. Take that, Semantics!