Tangiers, Better Results.

[Ralleac]

So, good news.

Orange Soda = tasty. No harshness, and great taste.

Exoticas = easy to manage.

Bad news is that I did the classic set up with the phunnel bowl overpacked with larger holes poked in 2 rings around the bowl and the top layer of shisha burned onto the foil in about 15 minutes ruining the session.

Any way around this? I guess I could move the coals around every 5 minutes or something, but I think the same thing will happen anyway. Edited January 23, 2008 by Ralleac

[mdl]

Try more holes in the foil and less coal. I generally poke holes consistantly across the foil (including the center hole) and use 4 Japanese quicklights on a medium funnel bowl. Sessions will last me upwards for 1.5-2hrs before anything starts to taste funny.

[Ralleac]

Try more holes in the foil and less coal. I generally poke holes consistantly across the foil (including the center hole) and use 4 Japanese quicklights on a medium funnel bowl. Sessions will last me upwards for 1.5-2hrs before anything starts to taste funny.

Maybe. I had 3/4 of 1 exotica stick on there cut into quarters placed in a triangle around the bowl. With 2 quarters it wasn't hitting, so I added the third, but it burned it up fast. I think the entire bowl is ruined. It's hard to tell just by looking at it since tangiers is already pretty black in the first place. I did the same thing to my K-Peach, though. Ii'll try reloading in the way you suggested, but after that I'm gunna call it quits for the night to conserve shisha. Edited January 18, 2008 by Ralleac

[mdl]

If I've only smoked for a half hour I will somtimes salvage about half the shisha that hasn't been touched at the bottom of the bowl and remix it with some fresh stuff. Just toss away the foil and any "used" shisha and remix the old with the new.

What size bowl are you using? Edited January 18, 2008 by mdl

[Ralleac]

If I've only smoked for a half hour I will somtimes salvage about half the shisha that hasn't been touched at the bottom of the bowl and remix it with some fresh stuff. Just toss away the foil and any "used" shisha and remix the old with the new.

What size bowl are you using?

The h-s phunnel. I think it may be too small or something. I can get fusion, starbuzz, layalina, af, and just about anything else to go for 2+ hours in it pretty easily, but the way tangiers is set up seems to burn the **** out of it in 30 minutes easy. A lot of ash is also getting into the bowl, making it taste kind of ashy and gross.

edit: ****ing set off the CO alarm again. Hookah is put up for the night and all windows are open wider w/ fans running to air the place out. I need to start lighting coals outside. Edited January 18, 2008 by Ralleac

[EvansLight]

see i never really got the whole extreme bowl packing. I always make sure the foil isnt touching the baccy and never had any problems and always seem to have good smokes. Call me crazy...

Also i use a hole pattern that someone came up with way back when the phunnel first came out; triangle shape coming out from the center hole. Then 2 3k over the triangle, and just rotate the foil around the bowl. Its always worked for me, granted thats while smoking al waha. It used to be normal for me to have 10hr sessions off one bowl, and blow through a whole roll of 3k.

[Huskysibe]

Less coals, about half of what you usually use. Exoticas burn hot so I use about 1/4 stick and its perfect.

[Snoopy1966]

When I put the tobacco in my phunnel I just pick it out of the container with my fingers and just drop a little at a time around the rim. Make sure you mix it up very well before you put it in. I do not pack it down at all, and I make sure it is nice an full. I do not let it over the top of the bowl though, but very close. Make sure the foil is really tight(very Important). I poke bigger holes around the outside 12 -15 then the second ring has a little smaller holes about 12, then I make the third ring around the hole about 8 and I do not use a middle hole anymore. If you find it harsh, poke a couple of random holes. I use thirds of exoticas and place them parallel to each other on opposite sides of the bowl, the second set the other direction. I do not have to move the coals at all while I am smoking. I never burned Tangiers yet even when I have tried the over pack method. Make sure the coals are on the edges of the bowl also. I have come close to burning the tobacco on my second set, but I just take off the coals for about 3 minutes, put them back on and viola, nice smoke again. It takes some time to find what works best for you. Once you get it down it is very easy to get consistent good smoke that is not harsh at all.

[Ralleac]

When I put the tobacco in my phunnel I just pick it out of the container with my fingers and just drop a little at a time around the rim. Make sure you mix it up very well before you put it in. I do not pack it down at all, and I make sure it is nice an full. I do not let it over the top of the bowl though, but very close. Make sure the foil is really tight(very Important). I poke bigger holes around the outside 12 -15 then the second ring has a little smaller holes about 12, then I make the third ring around the hole about 8 and I do not use a middle hole anymore. If you find it harsh, poke a couple of random holes. I use thirds of exoticas and place them parallel to each other on opposite sides of the bowl, the second set the other direction. I do not have to move the coals at all while I am smoking. I never burned Tangiers yet even when I have tried the over pack method. Make sure the coals are on the edges of the bowl also. I have come close to burning the tobacco on my second set, but I just take off the coals for about 3 minutes, put them back on and viola, nice smoke again. It takes some time to find what works best for you. Once you get it down it is very easy to get consistent good smoke that is not harsh at all.

I've tried it both ways several times over the past week. I stirred it up in the container after letting it acclimate for 5 hours. I dropped it into the bowl without packing it while making sure it was full (just above the rim,) I put a flat piece of heavy duty foil on it as tight as I could get it, and poked two sets of holes in a ring around the bowl. I then broke the exotica coal into quarters and used 3 pieces of it across from eachother on the bowl forming a triangle (started with 2, and added the 3rd as it wasn't producing much smoke.) The smoke was great initially (not harsh,) but it burned to a crisp in less than 30 minutes.

After that I reset the bowl in the same manner, but with 3 rings of holes. I cut back to two halves, but the same thing happened in a matter of minutes.

It's frustrating because I can get any other shisha smoking perfectly for hours with no hint of harshness or ash, yet I haven't been able to make it to a second set of coals with tangiers before the bowl is ****ed. I've also been getting an ashy taste after a few minutes, which I assume is from the ash being sucked down through the larger holes I'm using for the tangiers. Too bad there aren't any tangiers guru's in Portland to show me how it's done,

The stuff smells great, but I feel like I'm throwing money away since I can't get it to smoke consistently.

see i never really got the whole extreme bowl packing. I always make sure the foil isnt touching the baccy and never had any problems and always seem to have good smokes. Call me crazy...

Agreed. I don't do it that way with anything else, but everything I've been reading about tangiers suggests that it smokes better when packed like that. I've tried it overpacked, packed normally, packed normally w/ a foil ring, more holes, less holes, phunnel bowl, regular bowl, 1/4 coal, 2/4 coals, 3/4 coals, 4/4 coals, olivewood coals, jap QLs, exoticas, big holes, small holes, variety of holes, one ring of holes, two rings of holes, three rings of holes, etc... You name it, and I've probably tried it. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I've burned through approx. 250g of the 750g I have on hand trying everything I can think of with about 25g at a time (give or take depending on how I packed it,) and I'm getting nowhere. Edited January 18, 2008 by Ralleac

[Canon]

when it gets smoking good take off a coal

[ahwahoo2006]

Heat management with Tangiers is really tricky. I've found its better to slowly let the heat build up rather than trying to force it by dumping a whole bunch of extra coals on top.

[gaia.plateau]

Depending on the flavour of 'Giers (I find Blueberry and Red Tea to be much easier than K-Peach and F-Line Cocoa, for example)... if I'm using a relatively problematic one, I start out with slivers of coals, either QL or natural, depending on what is convenient. Basically just the bits that you are left with when you break your naturals into thirds or quarters, and if you don't have any of those just break a QL into sixths. Put 3 about sixths or the equivalent amount of natural slivers around the bowl and move them every 30 seconds or so for about 5 minutes, then you should be okay to add your first real load of coal.

Another option, and I do this with Exoticas, is to cut/knock them into half thickness, so they are heating the same surface area but with less heat. It's a bit hit or miss even when you have this technique down, but it's a pretty surefire way to prevent your baccy from burning. For the MN small glass phunnel I'll use 1/3 a stick of Exoticas, broken into 2 halves width-wise.

[MechAnt]

Phunnelling Tangiers, I find, is a little more difficult than a standard bowl. I use my standard MYA or Egyptian bowls and just overpack it. For holes, I poke medium to large holes using a fork or the poker on my tongs. I follow what Eric does relgiously

I'm soon planning to get a standard Tangiers bowl (non-phunnel) so I can really emulate Eric and how he does it.

[mdl]

I'm soon planning to get a standard Tangiers bowl (non-phunnel) so I can really emulate Eric and how he does it.

Which bowl are you referring to, the super chief? Last time I checked he used large funnel bowls.

[MechAnt]

Not superchief, the standard tower bowl. Here. Eric posted pics up of packing a bowl himself and its the bowl he used. Thru PM's we discussed teh bowls and said its what he uses at the lounge.

Bowl: http://www.hookahcompany.com/tangiers_larg...d_1132_prd1.htm

Packing: http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?showt...amp;hl=standard
Thing is, there are a couple pics missing where he pokes fairly big holes and he mashes down on it to get a slight indent. Edited January 18, 2008 by MechAnt

[iamscott06]

Not superchief, the standard tower bowl. Here. Eric posted pics up of packing a bowl himself and its the bowl he used. Thru PM's we discussed teh bowls and said its what he uses at the lounge.

Bowl: http://www.hookahcompany.com/tangiers_larg...d_1132_prd1.htm

Packing: http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?showt...amp;hl=standard
Thing is, there are a couple pics missing where he pokes fairly big holes and he mashes down on it to get a slight indent.

Good thing i saw that post before some of the pics went missing.. Not really sure how to explain the mashing down of the foil .. but it was only slightly. Holes where rather large.. im pretty sure he put a quarter ontop of the foil and holes to show size.. (not sure)

Good bowl though

[mdl]

Not superchief, the standard tower bowl. Here. Eric posted pics up of packing a bowl himself and its the bowl he used. Thru PM's we discussed teh bowls and said its what he uses at the lounge.

Bowl: http://www.hookahcompany.com/tangiers_larg...d_1132_prd1.htm

Packing: http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?showt...amp;hl=standard
Thing is, there are a couple pics missing where he pokes fairly big holes and he mashes down on it to get a slight indent.

Ah yeah, that's from 2006. It's all funnel heads that he uses now.

[gaia.plateau]

Thanks for linking that, I hadn't seen it.

Is it sold by anyone other than HC? They charge obscene shipping for international customers...

[jfaltous]

FYI gaia, HC won't ship to Canada Even non-tobacco orders. I tried to convince them to ship me a KM but got denied.

MNH has some similar bowls, if not exactly the same.... for example their Super Chief Medium: http://mnhookahs.com/product_info.php?cPat...products_id=118

The SCM from MNH looks physically the same size as the TLHH from HC in the pictures, however HC claims 70-100g bowls compared to 25-35g from the MNH one....

[gaia.plateau]

Damn I wanted to get a KM from them.

I'd prefer a smaller bowl actually... I've got a pretty respectable set of lungs, but even they can't handle a 6+ hr session of Tangiers without hurting the next day.

[jfaltous]

Neal from worldhookah was telling me that he'll have access to KM's soon enough. Other than that, the only other semi-respectable looking place for them that I've found online is PYH, but people have been warning me away from it and I've been having trouble communicating with them all week...

[MechAnt]

I remember eric reposting that exact tutorial again in a different topic in early november iirc. Either way, whatever bowl you use, you can't lose with Tangiers

[gaia.plateau]

you can't lose with Tangiers

*Unless it makes you puke.

[Ralleac]

I remember eric reposting that exact tutorial again in a different topic in early november iirc. Either way, whatever bowl you use, you can't lose with Tangiers

Eh. After reading the various tutorials, watching the videos, following instructions, and prepping over 10 bowls I think I should have at least had one good smoke. Instead I'm getting crap or burned out bowls every single time. I'm starting to feel like it was a waste of money, and a loss of over $40 on my part.

As for heat management, should 2 quarters of an exotica really be burning this stuff? I've tried it with less, and also tried removing one coal after it starts smoking well, and the smoke simply dies out if I only have 1 quarter. Edited January 18, 2008 by Ralleac

[ASUSEAN1]

alright this is what i think.

A. you can pack tangiers and it is never harsh. it tastes good every time and its not a hassle.

B. you have trouble packing tangiers.
i) cut up your tangiers instead and mix it with another brand
ii) or read all of eric;s set up instructions.. there is not much else you can really do and you must be doing something completely wrong but it is going to be difficult for someone to fix your problem unless you show them in person what you are doing. SO i recommend that every takes a trip to SD and visits Eric.. you will learn a lot and we won;t have any more of these threads Edited January 19, 2008 by ASUSEAN1