Can You Believe These Fucking People?

[Perrj99]

a beard is:
lets say I'm gay and my family and friends have no idea. I come to holidays with a girlfriend...the girl is just a friend that pretends to be my significant other so that no one will know.
My friend pretends and tries to hard to cover his ass. Half the time I have to deck him for half the shit he pulls around me(doesnt respect my space)...like the good ol' sneak up behind ya while youre pickin something up and hump you, or grab your ass...etc
Hes a really really big kid and hard to fight off.
so the one that returns, is most likely gay

lol I'm so confused...Although, I'm still drunk from last night so maybe that has something to do with it. Mmm mmm Irish Car Bombs.

[r1v3th3ad]

I agree with you JD
I am not a fan of prejudice and discrimination.
Its a long story of why he was put up for adoption, but its a reason a lot of people who do not believe in abortion do this.

[manic007]

Just to break up the flow a bit. . . I dont agree with the Christian fanatics. But I have a seroius grip with the presenter in the video, Louis Theroux. He's easily the most annoying person I've seen on TV. He had a series called "Louis Theroux's weird weekend" or something, where he would go around meeting "interesting" people (porn stars, swingers, gun nuts. . .), I'm sure some of the Brit guys might remember this. What irritated me the most about him is his smug attitude towards everyone. He genuinely believes that he's morally superior to the people he interviews and goes to such lengths to make them look bad. Like in an episode about swingers, where they were buying food/drink for a swingers party at the supermarket. Louis Theoux goes up to the checkout girl and tell them that they're having a swingers party and would she like to come along, he says it loudly and embarrases his intervewees. And when in the car park the swingers tell him nicely that he shouldn't have said that, he acts all child-like and say "but why? are you ashamed to be a swinger? why are you ashamed?". He's really annoying. I've seen the Youtube vid on TV aswell as his other shows and Louis Theroux is such a snake, he really likes winds people up by trying to act all innocent and child-like while maintaining his air of aloftness. I wouldn't be surprised if his attitude brought out the worst in these people, granted they weren't the nicest people to start of with!

/end rant

[Yeathatsawesome]

Hmm.

Is being Gay so right? Is social acceptance of being gay ok?

I have a hard enough time raising children through puberty without having to try and explain how homosexuality as well.

However what people do behind closed doors is there own business. I, personally, don't like how it's openly promoted as being ok. I don't spend my entire time thrusting my tongue down my wife's throat in public, why do gay people feel the need todo the same?!

Also - I want a hetrosexual parade.

Now - The people you mention above are quite frankly nasty and need a bit of 2x4 upside the head. Or a cricket bat wil l do quite nicely.

JD

i agree its a hard situation to approach but w.e if this is what people want i guess they can have it

[Stinkyfisherman]

those people are way fucked up... thats just not right.

[St. Goodypants]

Oh my god...

Cried the godless man...

These people are incapable of holding an intelligent conversation. The only thing which they can do is quote their religion. It's like they don't even think as individuals anymore.

HOWEVER:
They DO have the right to spout as much hateful gibberish as they want to, and the more they do it the less sense they seem to make so... let them dig their own graves with a publicity stunt.

Personally I'm content to let others do what they will. Be that spouting said hateful gibberish or boning another man in the ass.

As long as they leave me be. Edited January 29, 2008 by St. Goodypants

[mikee20]

Wow, these people are ignorant.
What do they hope to accomplish by saying "Fags Eat Poop" on one of their signs..
Lol they are quoting the bible but its obvious they didnt read the rest of it or are too stupid to understand it.
Im not that religious but even I know that.
Do they really think that god is happy with them doing that??
Well they better bring some sunscreen with them on their way to hell. lol

[booya]

Just to break up the flow a bit. . . I dont agree with the Christian fanatics. But I have a seroius grip with the presenter in the video, Louis Theroux. He's easily the most annoying person I've seen on TV. He had a series called "Louis Theroux's weird weekend" or something, where he would go around meeting "interesting" people (porn stars, swingers, gun nuts. . .), I'm sure some of the Brit guys might remember this. What irritated me the most about him is his smug attitude towards everyone. He genuinely believes that he's morally superior to the people he interviews and goes to such lengths to make them look bad. Like in an episode about swingers, where they were buying food/drink for a swingers party at the supermarket. Louis Theoux goes up to the checkout girl and tell them that they're having a swingers party and would she like to come along, he says it loudly and embarrases his intervewees. And when in the car park the swingers tell him nicely that he shouldn't have said that, he acts all child-like and say "but why? are you ashamed to be a swinger? why are you ashamed?". He's really annoying. I've seen the Youtube vid on TV aswell as his other shows and Louis Theroux is such a snake, he really likes winds people up by trying to act all innocent and child-like while maintaining his air of aloftness. I wouldn't be surprised if his attitude brought out the worst in these people, granted they weren't the nicest people to start of with!

/end rant

ya mr. theroux is a dick, but he does do some funny shit! i just watched a show of him following around body builders and man, i was sure he was going to get is ass whipped! i can't wait to see that happen!

[MikeMike]

Someone earlier mentioned the idea of being born 'gay'

I have yet to see convicing documentation of this idea. I suspect in fact that it's quite plausable that enviroment plays just an equal part as genetics.

However we do see evidence in nature of same-sex coupling Blue whales, Harbour seals are two that spring to mind.

We should be tolerant of other people's lifestyle choices - We do not have to like it or agree with it. But tolerance is just good manners. But that also requires 'both sides' of the fence to engage in tolerant activity.

Gay pride parades do not help.
This baptist church do not help.

They are, in my eyes, as bad as each other.

JD

I really don't understand how anybody could not accept it and agree with it. I firmly believe that being gay is not a lifestyle choice and as a hetrosexual guy i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with homosexuals. What they get up to is none of my buisness. If they want to kiss in public who cares, does it effect you? I couldn't care less about peoples sexual preferances. People are born gay and are made to feel like shit for the rest of their life as people don't "agree" with it. What's not to agree with? Poeple are born that way, it's like not agreeing with people being born white or black....it doesn't make sence.

[Perrj99]

Someone earlier mentioned the idea of being born 'gay'

I have yet to see convicing documentation of this idea. I suspect in fact that it's quite plausable that enviroment plays just an equal part as genetics.

However we do see evidence in nature of same-sex coupling Blue whales, Harbour seals are two that spring to mind.

We should be tolerant of other people's lifestyle choices - We do not have to like it or agree with it. But tolerance is just good manners. But that also requires 'both sides' of the fence to engage in tolerant activity.

Gay pride parades do not help.
This baptist church do not help.

They are, in my eyes, as bad as each other.

JD

I really don't understand how anybody could not accept it and agree with it. I firmly believe that being gay is not a lifestyle choice and as a hetrosexual guy i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with homosexuals. What they get up to is none of my buisness. If they want to kiss in public who cares, does it effect you? I couldn't care less about peoples sexual preferances. People are born gay and are made to feel like shit for the rest of their life as people don't "agree" with it. What's not to agree with? Poeple are born that way, it's like not agreeing with people being born white or black....it doesn't make sence.

Have any biological proof that a person can be born homosexual? Edited January 30, 2008 by Perrj99

[MikeMike]

Have any biological proof that a person can be born homosexual?

Nope, none whatsover, i said it was my belief that it is the case and from knowing somone since they were 8 and someone since they were 2 who are now homosexuals you can just tell, it's not like suddenly they wake up and decide that from now on they are gay. Anyway for arguements sake lets say it is a lifestyle choice...how does this effect anyone in such a way that they deserve to be treated so poorly and looked down upon by other people, as they see it as a negative thing.

[austinthecity]

Have any biological proof that a person can be born homosexual?

Michael Bailey, PHD Professor at Northwestern University does.

Here's his website:

http://www.psych.northwestern.edu/psych/pe...y/research.html

Genetics of Sexual Orientation

Much of my early work on sexual orientation focused on behavioral genetics. I did several twin and family studies, which suggested that both male and female homosexuality run in families, and that male and female sexual orientation are moderately (but far from completely) heritable. You can download the most recent twin study. Here is an article about gay brothers.

[Perrj99]

Here's another site...with multiple references for arguments both pro and con being gay at birth. I personally don't think one's sexual orientation can be hereditary, genetic or something someone is born with. Our society expects everything to be far more clear cut than it is naturally.

Oops, forgot the link lol...

Link Edited January 31, 2008 by Perrj99

[Johnny_D]

Someone earlier mentioned the idea of being born 'gay'

I have yet to see convicing documentation of this idea. I suspect in fact that it's quite plausable that enviroment plays just an equal part as genetics.

However we do see evidence in nature of same-sex coupling Blue whales, Harbour seals are two that spring to mind.

We should be tolerant of other people's lifestyle choices - We do not have to like it or agree with it. But tolerance is just good manners. But that also requires 'both sides' of the fence to engage in tolerant activity.

Gay pride parades do not help.
This baptist church do not help.

They are, in my eyes, as bad as each other.

JD

I really don't understand how anybody could not accept it and agree with it. I firmly believe that being gay is not a lifestyle choice and as a hetrosexual guy i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with homosexuals. What they get up to is none of my buisness. If they want to kiss in public who cares, does it effect you? I couldn't care less about peoples sexual preferances. People are born gay and are made to feel like shit for the rest of their life as people don't "agree" with it. What's not to agree with? Poeple are born that way, it's like not agreeing with people being born white or black....it doesn't make sence.

Yes it does affect me.

Or at least [Fuck me I just know i'm going to get flamed like a double whopper with cheese] It affects my daughters.

If my children are seeing homosexual activity everywhere and men (or women) are tonguing each other and grab assing in public it creates questions from children far too young to even begin to comprehend the idea of homosexuality.

It's hard enough to steer children through puberty without explaining homosexuality. Thus I do not personally want to see it on street corners.

I give you an ad hoc example. My old employee was a lesbian, married, the whole works. BANG! 6 months later she's living with a guy and expecting a child.

She was 19 and barly had a clue what she wanted. Did she become lesbian because of some deep rooted sexual orientation or become that way because it was socially acceptable and she was looking for some other companionship or the 'gay lifestyle' of enormous social magnitude (From what i understand).

The point I am badly making is thusly. Do what you like behind closed doors, but what you do in public affects everyone.

I feel that I should be able to cover myself in green jelly and walk nakid whilst whacking off down the highstreet.

Hardly ok is it?

JD

[austinthecity]

JD, the main disagreement I have with your argument is this:

If I had young daughters, I wouldn't want them seeing ANY sexual activity. I wouldn't distinguish between gay sexual activity and straight sexual activity. I don't distinguish them wrong from right.

Personally, I'm straight and always have been, but I have gay friends and they are *gasp* great people. They are just attracted to the same sex.

Please understand I'm not bashing you or your parenting skills in any way, just expressing my opinion. I obviously have mucho to learn before I start to raise toddlers of my own...

[Johnny_D]

Fair comment Austin and I apprecaite the manner in which it was delivered.

You get to a point with children (And my own are 14,12&11 This year) that creates a situation where you cannot avoid
sexual encounters. Normally via the television or cinema. Even in Disney or cartoon's the idea of mummies and daddies are there.

My main issue is not people's sexual choices. I have no problem with homosexuality, but I do not wish it to be thrust upon me in the public domain.

It's actually bad enough with young couples playing tonsil hockey with each other in public. Let alone when it's same sex.

I'm really not gay bashing. It's just this 'cultural behaviour' that grinds my personal gears.

JD

[MikeMike]

Nice point there JD, and you know i don't mean to be rude or w/e when posting but i like to get my point across. Baisically this is how i see it. I don't see any reason why you should make out the differance between straight and gay couples to your children in my opinion, as then you just create a big deal out of something that is really not an issue at all. Some people are gay, some people are straight and that's just the way it is, whether that is through choice or whatever it doesn't really make a differance. In my opinion making a big deal about it to your children would make them feel as though if they were gay and i'm not suggesting for a moment that they will be here JD, but if they were then it would be such a big deal to them whereas in reality who gives a crap, they're people and you love them just the same.

I get your point about not wanting to confuse them about the whole idea of relationships, but you can explain it to them and honestly it is really not a big deal, when i was young my parents explained it to me and for that reason my brother was very comfortable to come out as it is not a big deal. Children see a lot more than you would expect them to JD, at ages 11 young kids already are *going out* however ridiculous and pointless it is, it still happens and in my opinion it needs to not be made a big deal of. I certainly don't mean sitting your kids down and having a talk, but if they ask you a question then they need to know that they trust you and you will give them an honest answer.

I honestly don't mean to offend anyone reading this as i promise you it's not personal, but i just feel like i should explain my point of view, especially when it's something i feel strongly about.

[Johnny_D]

Nice point there JD, and you know i don't mean to be rude or w/e when posting but i like to get my point across. Baisically this is how i see it. I don't see any reason why you should make out the differance between straight and gay couples to your children in my opinion, as then you just create a big deal out of something that is really not an issue at all. Some people are gay, some people are straight and that's just the way it is, whether that is through choice or whatever it doesn't really make a differance. In my opinion making a big deal about it to your children would make them feel as though if they were gay and i'm not suggesting for a moment that they will be here JD, but if they were then it would be such a big deal to them whereas in reality who gives a crap, they're people and you love them just the same.

I get your point about not wanting to confuse them about the whole idea of relationships, but you can explain it to them and honestly it is really not a big deal, when i was young my parents explained it to me and for that reason my brother was very comfortable to come out as it is not a big deal. Children see a lot more than you would expect them to JD, at ages 11 young kids already are *going out* however ridiculous and pointless it is, it still happens and in my opinion it needs to not be made a big deal of. I certainly don't mean sitting your kids down and having a talk, but if they ask you a question then they need to know that they trust you and you will give them an honest answer.

I honestly don't mean to offend anyone reading this as i promise you it's not personal, but i just feel like i should explain my point of view, especially when it's something i feel strongly about.

I certainly take no offence and I feel your point is perfectly valid!

I've highlighted one point as it's something I actually believe with a passion.

If the 'worst' thing my children ever say/do/choose whatever, is to be gay then i will consider myself to be a successfull parent.

JD

[lemmiwinks]

Wouldn't mind hunking a rock at one of those fuckers.

edit: here's a decent clip of them getting rejected
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wzbo1eE8pF0&feature=related

and this one's hilarious
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kF5mfG0vO8o Edited February 1, 2008 by lemmiwinks

[oolatec]

Ah... those Westboro Phelps idiots... Seriously... just ignore them. They get off on the attention, especially when they protest soldiers' funerals. They are just begging for a physical confrontation... BAM! Lawsuit. Thankfully, the Patriot Guard Riders counter-protest them at every funeral they can, and keep them at a distance.

[oolatec]

Now THIS is how you deal with them. With shear numbers.

http://www.kiiitv.com/news/local/15265456.html

[Canon]

Now THIS is how you deal with them. With shear numbers.

http://www.kiiitv.com/news/local/15265456.html

that makes me happy

[mackiain]

Being Athiest, or anti religious even, this type of stuff makes me laugh. Some people are such slaves to something they don't even have proof exsists. I'll stick to believing in Santa Claus, atleast he is convincing.

[oolatec]

Now THIS is how you deal with them. With shear numbers.

http://www.kiiitv.com/news/local/15265456.html

that makes me happy

Happening all over the country. As soon as someone gets wind that these Phelps assholes are going to protest a soldier's funeral, they ride out to counter them, and 99 times out of 100, the idiots just give up.

[PinkFloyd0789]

it's truly sad, I pity these people, god is love, they are hate