mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 So, me and the mods have started talking about the whole issue of Hookah misconceptions. What they are and how we can discuss them without drawing unwanted attention to the fourms by search engines locking onto key words and sending all the wrong people our way.We realize this will take a change in the basic rules, and we can do that, but we have to figure out how to allow the conversations without them turning into joke fests, people asking HOW to smoke other things besides shisha, and having to use so many euphamisms that a serious discussion starts to become absurd.lets say for this thread use the word p-t and b-ng. we'll do some checking around the search engines and such later to see what comes up.The first one of you starts this off topic or "+1" or anything other than useful and serious discussion of how we can HAVE a serious discussion will get hammered so hard your grandchildren will be born bruised. Call this a test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Another way to adress this issue could be to only speak of these things in the technical terms, much the same way that newspapers and other "respected" media does. This would at least prevent people who search using slang words from stumbleing upon the forum and adding their own possibly innapropriot .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 QUOTE (Elky @ Jan 24 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Another way to adress this issue could be to only speak of these things in the technical terms, much the same way that newspapers and other "respected" media does. This would at least prevent people who search using slang words from stumbleing upon the forum and adding their own possibly innapropriot .02so what's the techinical/proper name for a b-ng? water filtration device? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayVer Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 well at local headshops you cant say b-ng or they'll kick you out.. they refer to them as water pipes or glass pipes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmediahOU Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 maybe water pipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayVer Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 also we can refer these such items as "non-hookah paraphernalia" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 That's a really hard thing to do, but you have to realize that one main reason hookah is growing is becasue of those Alternative Lifestyle kinds of people. Just where i live, where hookah is just getting huge, it is synonymous with those kinds of people. Myas and Starbuzz are only sold at Knuckleheads, a Head Shop downtown, which is obviously leaning more towards the other kinda lifestyle. People in that genre LOVE hookahs, and the majority of people who indulge in the other stuff compared to the strictly just hookah smokers is 25/1 or more. Right now, i have noticed, people don't connect hookahs directly with USING/ SMOKING those other things. They know what hookahs are used for, but they view them as bad because of the kind of people that do use them. It's like tunnel-vision, only looking at one side of the issue. I think one way of addressing these misconceptions is to post articles on Hookah Vendor sites, like Hookah-Life has done. Articles, by people from this site, the people who know the most about the hookah. I.E., Sonthert; he is very intellectual and reliable and i'm sure could write a great article. Same with Gaia. We should use the brains of the people here to our advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 QUOTE (RayVer @ Jan 24 2008, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well at local headhops you cant say b-ng or they'll kick you out.. they refer to them as water pipes or glass pipessame here, but that could also include a hookah, need to make a distinction.We're trying to work on this because Misconceptions ARE apart of the hookah community and how its viewed and we don't think it should be totally excluded from discussions, but we have to figure out how to do it safely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayVer Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 we could use "NH" for Non-Hookah... and say such things as:they thought I was smoking from a NH pipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) I was wondering if you would call me on that...as far as I can figure, most online sights call them water pipes. feel free to edit that out if its deemed to volitile though.Edit: My b, RayVer beat me to it Edited January 24, 2008 by Elky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvansLight Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 QUOTE (RayVer @ Jan 24 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>we could use "NH" for Non-Hookah... and say such things as:they thought I was smoking from a NH pipei gotta say i like that the best. And refer to the substance they might think your smoking out of it as NHT not-hookah-tobacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I like that one, though it may cause some discrimination to our fellow New Hampshire smokers. Seriously though, seems like the best solution so far to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinthecity Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Just to clarify,are we talking about the misconceptions in this thread?or is this thread just to set agreeable and correct labels to use for future threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Acronyms are always best, we need a sticky with them all listed. I like NH, non-hookah, that's a great one. And it's easy to rememer and decipher. It very general as well, you can use it talking about Smoking Devices or Substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 Im liking it, even if it does have the potential for starting to get silly. Now if we can get people to USE the terms...there would be the rub.Still open to more discussion.....And thanks for being serious, well, mostly serious on this one guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 QUOTE (austinthecity @ Jan 24 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just to clarify,are we talking about the misconceptions in this thread?or is this thread just to set agreeable and correct labels to use for future threads?this thread is to figure out the best way to be able to discuss misconceptions in future threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayVer Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I think NH for non-hookah and NHT for non-hookah-tobacco is perfect....If we go with this just provide an example of the two in the rules..."I was smoking outside of starbucks with my hookah and everyone around me thought it was an NH pipe""When my friend first saw my hookah he asked if he could put some NHT in it and I was very upset" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenSilk Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 We use acronyms for tons of things, almost every vendor has an acronym. SS, H-S, HC.. etc. That'l be easy to use, i think if you just posted a thread, everyone would read it who is online. Look how many people have read this one!Then sticky it and we refer every new member to it. Is it possible to send out Automated PM's to new members telling them to refer to certain stickies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 QUOTE (ZenSilk @ Jan 24 2008, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We use acronyms for tons of things, almost every vendor has an acronym. SS, H-S, HC.. etc. That'l be easy to use, i think if you just posted a thread, everyone would read it who is online. Look how many people have read this one!Then sticky it and we refer every new member to it. Is it possible to send out Automated PM's to new members telling them to refer to certain stickies?I suspect there is something in the Admin CP to direct people to the rules...I'll talk with Evanslight about it, he helped build the place afterall. (i know you are reading this man.. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromecarz00 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I like the acronym Idea, but if we stickied it then it would still be searchable on google etc. Why dont you post it as an image file. and I agree with Zensilks automated PM idea, I was going to say that myself. I think thats the best way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiantSquid Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I do like the whole NH pipe idea, but maybe instead of, or in addition to NHT, we could use I.S. for illegal substance. Because there are a few things I've heard of that could be considered NHT, while still legal. So, I.S. could narrow that down a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 NHTNHTNHTNHTNHNHTest given by Mushrat via PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 I have requested mechant to try a test post in this thread to see if filters I THINK i just added are working. No one jump on his ass if they dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booya Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 so the censorship on statements such as "omg, last night i had a party and we smoked NHT all night, man it was so awesome!" would still stand right? like just because we have an acronym for the p_t doesn't we can talk about it now right? cuz i kinda like the cleanliness of this forum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 excellent..thanks mech.Those words were:p-tP-twe-dWe-db-ngB-ngi'm liking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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