Dr. Atkins Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_D Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 No room for the Gentile nations huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuonice Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Coptic orthodoxany other proud orthodoxy's out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D00M Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I selected other... I'm kinda between religions right now... haha. Kinda like an unemployed person is "between jobs," that's how I look at my religious beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_D Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I refuse to tick other. I am not being lumped in with ruddy scitology and Wiccan.Gentile nations are non Jews who keep the 7 laws of noah [Basically the commandements]or Christians without the Dude with a beard and robes JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy1966 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Yeah I am the first Muslim to vote! Peace man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) Why are Hinduism and Buddhism as one? And Agnostic and Atheist? Judaism, Christianity and Islam are far closer (considering the latter two of the three are rooted in Judaism) than Hinduism and Buddhism's beliefs, and Agnosticism and Atheism are far from close as well.1 more vote for Atheism here. Edited January 25, 2008 by Perrj99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I went otherPagan/Shaman that is exploring all faiths.Planning on following in my father's footsteps. He studied the religions of the world past and present. A few years ago he finished reading the Kabalah(sincerely sorry if I misspelled)for the second time. First time for him was some 30 yrs ago and he couldn't grasp it, this time he fully understood.So he takes a little from all faiths(other than roman catholic).I am closest to Shamanism and would one day like to be a Baqca some day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geiseric Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Aye, and Protestant Christianity and Catholocism in the West has become very different from what Eastern Orthodox Christianity is. Worlds apart. They may have common history, but the way of perceiving the world is very different, practically opposite. Hinduism and Buddhism have some things in common,being born in a common location, being both of eastern nature. To be fair, if he were to accurately represent the various major religions accurately, it would be a very extensive list. The agnostic - atheist coupling is probably the strangest, though.Wuonice - Always good to see a brother on the forums. What do have, a good month before we have to start starving ourselves again? I always get so sick during the Great Lent from all the protein alternatives. I love Holy Week though. Favorite time of the year, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Geiseric @ Jan 25 2008, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Aye, and Protestant Christianity and Catholocism in the West has become very different from what Eastern Orthodox Christianity is. Worlds apart. They may have common history, but the way of perceiving the world is very different, practically opposite. Hinduism and Buddhism have some things in common,being born in a common location, being both of eastern nature. To be fair, if he were to accurately represent the various major religions accurately, it would be a very extensive list. The agnostic - atheist coupling is probably the strangest, though.Wuonice - Always good to see a brother on the forums. What do have, a good month before we have to start starving ourselves again? I always get so sick during the Great Lent from all the protein alternatives. I love Holy Week though. Favorite time of the year, period.What does location have to do with it? Hinduism and Buddhism are very different, hell, many don't even consider Buddhism a "religion", more of a philosophy. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all rooted in the same beliefs, belief in the same, sole God. Hinduism has an extremely complex view on gods, and (to some) has an infinite amount of dieties while Buddhism really doesn't even have one deity lol. Far from similar. And how are Atheism and Agnosticism close at all? Atheism is no closer to Agnosticism than it is to Hinduism. The list wouldn't be hard..ChristianityJudaismIslamHinduismBuddhism (if you consider it a religion)Agnosticism (covers a lot of different beliefs)AtheismThose are the most "popular" religious beliefs on Earth. Edited January 25, 2008 by Perrj99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well, there is one thing I can say points Buddhism and Hinduism together. Buddhism branched off of Hinduism. They sure as hell have a lot not in common, but there are still similarities considering the roots.Agnostic and Atheism shouldn't be together. Atheists believe in nothing, Agnostics think that there is a possibility of something out there, but are unsure. Or they know something is out there, just haven't found a faith to tie to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy1966 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 2 Muslim votes now. Come on everyone, I know there are more of you here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geiseric Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) "What does location have to do with it? Hinduism and Buddhism are very different, hell, many don't even consider Buddhism a "religion", more of a philosophy. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all rooted in the same beliefs, belief in the same, sole God. Hinduism has an extremely complex view on gods, and (to some) has an infinite amount of dieties while Buddhism really doesn't even have one deity lol. Far from similar. And how are Atheism and Agnosticism close at all? Atheism is no closer to Agnosticism than it is to Hinduism. laugh.gifChristianityJudaismIslamHinduismBuddhism (if you consider it a religion)Agnosticism (covers a lot of different beliefs)Atheism"Location has everything to do with religion. Location, up until the recent swell of globalization, decided what society you were a part of. Your society and its mores, folkways, and taboos play a deciding factor in the formation and beliefs of the religion. Hinduism, Buddhism, and Eastern Orthodoxy have much in common, a certain mysticism, a belief in a directly interacting spiritual realm, (as apposed to the West's view of an abstract remote spiritual realm)If you wish to use the word Religion in the sociological sense, all methods of seeking to understand the meaning and origin of life can be described as such. Some would go so far as to describe Darwinism a religion. I would agree to a degree, being that it certainly has a lot in common with religion. It has people who simply follow it becuase it is what they have been tought, there are those that devote their lives to its study. It demands certain assumptions that cannot be proven, using the explanation that it is the only possible explanation, because a God cannot exist, which is exactly the same argument those who have belief in divinity of any kind use to justify the existence of said divinity.But I digress.One thing- Your list is not adequate by any measure. First off, as I said, protestantism is quite different from Orthodoxy, and should classified separately being that their understanding of certain things differs far too greatly, and considering it is just as widespread throughout the Eastern world and Russia as Protestantism is in Europe. But primarily, your list is just far too American (sorry, that is the only word for it). You mention Judaism, but you forget many religions which are in fact far more common throughout the world. For instance: Taoism, Confucianism, Animism, Yoruba (and other like African tribal mythologies still in existence), Sikhism, and the list gos on. Don't assume becuase you haven't heard of them in NY that they must not be common. The world is a bit bigger place than the good ol' American Empire. Edited January 25, 2008 by Geiseric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 QUOTE (Geiseric @ Jan 25 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>"ChristianityJudaismIslamHinduismBuddhism (if you consider it a religion)Agnosticism (covers a lot of different beliefs)Atheism"Location has everything to do with religion. Location, up until the recent swell of globalization, decided what society you were a part of. Your society and its mores, folkways, and taboos play a deciding factor in the formation and beliefs of the religion. Hinduism, Buddhism, and Eastern Orthodoxy have much in common, a certain mysticism, a belief in a directly interacting spiritual realm, (as apposed to the West's view of an abstract remote spiritual realm)If you wish to use the word Religion in the sociological sense, all methods of seeking to understand the meaning and origin of life can be described as such. Some would go so far as to describe Darwinism a religion. I would agree to a degree, being that it certainly has a lot in common with religion. It has people who simply follow it becuase it is what they have been tought, there are those that devote their lives to its study. It demands certain assumptions that cannot be proven, using the explanation that it is the only possible explanation, because a God cannot exist, which is exactly the same argument those who have belief in divinity of any kind use to justify the existence of said divinity.But I digress.One thing- Your list is not adequate by any measure. First off, as I said, protestantism is quite different from Orthodoxy, and should classified separately being that their understanding of certain things differs far too greatly, and considering it is just as widespread throughout the Eastern world and Russia as Protestantism is in Europe. But primarily, your list is just far too American (sorry, that is the only word for it). You mention Judaism, but you forget many religions which are in fact far more common throughout the world. For instance: Taoism, Confucianism, Animism, Yoruba (and other like African tribal mythologies still in existence), Sikhism, and the list gos on. Don't assume becuase you haven't heard of them in NY that they must not be common. The world is a bit bigger place than the good ol' American Empire.Protestantism and Orthodoxy are separations within the same religion. Why not list every sect of Christianity then? They are the same religion. Too American?World Religions by Percentage of the World Population:Raise your hand if your a Taoist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 QUOTE Don't assume becuase you haven't heard of them in NY that they must not be common. The world is a bit bigger place than the good ol' American Empire.Please do not try to be condescending with me. What have I not heard of? You're the one who links Hinduism and Buddhism together solely because they are of "eastern nature"...Has nothing to do with the beliefs of the religions, which are vastly different from one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geiseric Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) "Hinduism and Buddhism have some things in common,being born in a common location, being both of eastern nature. " This is what I said. They do have things in common. Being an eastern religion is one of them. Having crossed paths multiple times while branching is another. I never said they were the same.BTW Ancient Chinese religions are often grouped together being that they are quite similar. This is why I put them up on the list. Here, I have graphs too. Also from 2005. Look at me, all academic and shit. http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#ChineseThe percentages in most religion varies because they are hard to classify. Judaism stays mostly the same, around .22% a very small religion, but a well known one.And I am sticking to my guns on the Orthodoxy issue. It started in the same place, but developed in a completely different direction, in completely separate location.Also: There is an edit key. It helps a lot with things like say... double posts. Just a heads up. Edited January 25, 2008 by Geiseric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 The many sects of Christianity are far closer to one another than Buddhism and Hinduism are to each other. Cultural and traditional similarities are not religious similarities specifically. Look at the many populations of Christians around the world, many of which have extreme differences culturally, yet still Christian. So what does the fact that they are both Eastern have anything to do with the similarities in two vastly different religions (if you consider Buddhism as such)? I am looking at this from an outsiders point of view, comparing the similarities and differences with little or no bias. You get an attitude with me, telling me that the world is bigger than I apparently know (laughable), yet assume that Hinduism and Buddhism are similar because they are roughly from the same location, while saying that Orthodoxy and Protestantism, both Christianity, are different enough to have their own categories in the poll. Okay, I am done.xoxo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geiseric Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Apparently you are not getting where I am coming from. Sociologically speaking, Eastern religions are VERY SIMILAR in world view and approach to life. This is due to developing in the SAME AREAS and societies. This is not my BIAS speaking, the is my research speaking. I am only E. Orthodox because I researched it over a period of 3 years. Go to any student of religion, and they will tell you the same thing. Eastern religions have a lot in common. The same way that branches of Christianity that developed in the same country have much in common. Religion is a result of the people's beliefs, and whether or not you like it, your beliefs have everything to do with those around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaia.plateau Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Perrj99 @ Jan 25 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The many sects of Christianity are far closer to one another than Buddhism and Hinduism are to each other. Cultural and traditional similarities are not religious similarities specifically.Both religions believe in karma and dharma... both believe the purpose of life to be either escaping or transcending reality (samsara)... both began in India...They're as close as atheism and agnosticism, to be sure.QUOTE (Perrj99)Raise your hand if your a Taoist! tongue.gifI tried it out for a few years... the Tao Teh Ching is the dearest to me of all religious scriptures. Edited January 25, 2008 by gaia.plateau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 QUOTE (gaia.plateau @ Jan 25 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They're as close as atheism and agnosticism, to be sure.lol That is for sure. I guess the Vedas, or lack there of for Buddhists, huge differences in cheif religious aims of each's followers, and differences in belief on karma and reincarnation don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JtowninAtown Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) Apologies... Edited January 26, 2008 by JtowninAtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 QUOTE (JtowninAtown @ Jan 25 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not to be offensive to anyone, but as a theology minor, and as someone who has had a great many different religions forced down his neck (hippy parents) I can honestly say those of you who are trying to make it sound like you guys know something in fact know nothing at all. If you guys are at all interested you can pm me and I'll recommend a book off of my bookshelf that you can read that explains why it is ridiculous to openly discuss such delicate subjects. Buddhism not a religion, come on! I have like 8 different professors that would laugh at some of you before kicking you out of their class for speaking first and not thinking...please do yourselves a favor and wikipedia (or something else) what religion is and what factors it has to have to be a religion.I already stated this...but it is a matter of opinion.QUOTE Buddhism is a set of teachings often described as a religion.[1] However, some definitions of religion would exclude it, or some forms of it. Some say it is a body of philosophies influenced by the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, known as Gautama Buddha.[2] Others say it is teachings to guide one to directly experiencing reality.[3][4] Many recent scholars regard it as a plurality rather than a single entity.[5] Buddhism is also known as Buddha Dharma or Dhamma, which means roughly the "teachings of the Awakened One" in Sanskrit and Pali, languages of ancient Buddhist texts. Buddhism began around 5th century BC with the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, hereafter referred to as "the Buddha". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude3516 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I'd say that Buddhism and Hinduism are as closely related to each other, as Christianity/Judaism/Islam are. Considering that Buddhism was started by an Indian of the Kshatriyas caste. The same way that the Three Big monotheists traditions were started by Abraham and his "lineage". For instance, My version of Heaven is very Different than the Muslim Version(NO I'm not referencing 70 virgins before you ask), the same way that the Buddhist belief in Nirvana isn't the same as the Hindu Belief of Brahman, or in the belief of several gods. Yes they are different, but to say they are nothing alike is just ludicrous. Also, the discussion of faith is not rediculous, more like a needed venue for the academic understanding of them and their cultural significance. Religons are a changing and evolving thing, the same way that people are, and they build off the foundations of one another. Judaism/Christianity/Islam all have roots stuck in Zoroastrianism, the first monotheistic religion we can look at. We very cleary received traditions regarding Angels, a Satan or force Anti to the Creator, and several other things, and to understand Zoroastrians is to understand where the Abrahamic Monotheists come from, the same way understanding the Hindu faith can help one to understand other Eastern religions..but you know what ever, I'm only in my final year of being a Religious Studies Major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrj99 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (dude3516 @ Jan 25 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'd say that Buddhism and Hinduism are as closely related to each other, as Christianity/Judaism/Islam are. Considering that Buddhism was started by an Indian of the Kshatriyas caste. The same way that the Three Big monotheists traditions were started by Abraham and his "lineage". For instance, My version of Heaven is very Different than the Muslim Version(NO I'm not referencing 70 virgins before you ask), the same way that the Buddhist belief in Nirvana isn't the same as the Hindu Belief of Brahman, or in the belief of several gods. Yes they are different, but to say they are nothing alike is just ludicrous. Also, the discussion of faith is not rediculous, more like a needed venue for the academic understanding of them and their cultural significance. Religons are a changing and evolving thing, the same way that people are, and they build off the foundations of one another. Judaism/Christianity/Islam all have roots stuck in Zoroastrianism, the first monotheistic religion we can look at. We very cleary received traditions regarding Angels, a Satan or force Anti to the Creator, and several other things, and to understand Zoroastrians is to understand where the Abrahamic Monotheists come from, the same way understanding the Hindu faith can help one to understand other Eastern religions..but you know what ever, I'm only in my final year of being a Religious Studies Major.Agreed. Edit: Work flies by when on these forums lol... Edited January 25, 2008 by Perrj99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaia.plateau Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (JtowninAtown @ Jan 25 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not to be offensive to anyone, but as a theology minor, and as someone who has had a great many different religions forced down his neck (hippy parents) I can honestly say those of you who are trying to make it sound like you guys know something in fact know nothing at all. If you guys are at all interested you can pm me and I'll recommend a book off of my bookshelf that you can read that explains why it is ridiculous to openly discuss such delicate subjects. Buddhism not a religion, come on! I have like 8 different professors that would laugh at some of you before kicking you out of their class for speaking first and not thinking...please do yourselves a favor and wikipedia (or something else) what religion is and what factors it has to have to be a religion.You don't come off as offensive, though perhaps a bit arrogant and naive... I don't intend to be offensive to anyone either, including you. That being said.Why not send e-mails to Nhat Thich Hanh and Aung San Suu Kyi, explaining to them how Buddhism is not a religion... then you can post the correspondence here.Buddhism can be interpreted as a lifestyle, a philosophy or system of philosophies, or a religion. As can Hinduism, Agnosticism, Christianity, and Scientology. I have two friends about to graduate with majors in theology/religious studies, and two years ago they each did essays on Buddhism; one argued that Buddhism was a religion, the other argued that it was a lifestyle. They both got 90s. I have another friend who is currently in her master's programme in theology/religious studies, and I'm pretty sure that she'd take issue with your certainties about a religion that you have no firsthand experience with (she's studied for 2 years in India, China, and Tibet). Moreover, any professor that would laugh at a student or kick them out of class for critical and inquisitive thinking should be beat to death with a vicus, nevermind firing them. The fact that you cite Wikipedia as a scholarly source proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that your professors haven't done a good job. Edited January 25, 2008 by gaia.plateau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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