Cancer

[NoPeace]

it seems that every time someone does a study on hookah, they never compare the risk of cancer from hookah and cigaretts. Ive never really heard of anyone getting cancer from hookah and i mean you guys smoke hookah 1-3 times a day! and according to their studies 1 session is the same as a pack of cigs so you guys according to their studies should be long dead. honestly i think the ppl on the forum are proof that hookah is better for you than cigs

[PhishPhood]

You dont get cancer in 5 years of smoking cigs. Find all these people in 40 years and if nobody has cancer well talk. But until then, I still dont believe it does nothing.

They way I look at it is I'd rather enjoy the shit outa life and die 10 years earlier

[shoresidejake]

Still too early to tell... I'm sure we'll all be the first to know in 40-50 years

But think of it this way... by then, I'm sure there will be a cure for cancer

Smoke up. Edited February 10, 2008 by shoresidejake

[r1v3th3ad]

Still too early to tell... I'm sure we'll all be the first to know in 40-50 years

But think of it this way... by then, I'm sure there will be a cure for cancer

Smoke up.

O they have a cure, they just don't want to hand it out because cancer and AIDS are the primary population control right now...otherwise this planet would be more overpopulated than it is now...

[shoresidejake]

Still too early to tell... I'm sure we'll all be the first to know in 40-50 years

But think of it this way... by then, I'm sure there will be a cure for cancer

Smoke up.

O they have a cure, they just don't want to hand it out because cancer and AIDS are the primary population control right now...otherwise this planet would be more overpopulated than it is now...

Or the goverment could just re-do 9-11 every couple years..

[r1v3th3ad]

Still too early to tell... I'm sure we'll all be the first to know in 40-50 years

But think of it this way... by then, I'm sure there will be a cure for cancer

Smoke up.

O they have a cure, they just don't want to hand it out because cancer and AIDS are the primary population control right now...otherwise this planet would be more overpopulated than it is now...

Or the goverment could just re-do 9-11 every couple years..

not anywhere near enough lives lost for population control like disease and such, plus people would catch on and revolution would occur

[drfefe2]

The study that shows 1 hookah session equals a pack of cigs is very inaccurate. Firstly the person who did it burned the shisha at like 700 degrees F. And we all know that no hookah smoker would ever burn the shisha that hot, a good smooth smoke is somewhere above 350. The study found that Hookah was way worse for you becasue as temperature rises so does amount of carcinogens and tar.
According to pretty much the only study done on this topic 1 hookah draw is equal to about 1 whole cigarette and it claims each person draws 100 times a session. THis is not true for me and I am shure most people dont take 100 puffs a bowl.

untill there is a realistic experiment using real hookah smokers who know about coal management we will not know.

[r1v3th3ad]

thats why we need to flog the forums of mythbusters so that they will do the research for us.

[gaia.plateau]

It's my understanding that cancer is caused primarily from having smoke your lungs, not from the toxins in cigarettes. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

If we can assume it to be correct, smoking hookah would put you at a significantly greater risk of getting lung cancer than cigarettes. I probably take 100-120 full-lung inhales and an additional 250-300 partial-lung inhales per session... even factoring that hookah smoke is far less dense than cigarette smoke, and generally doesn't contain tar, you're still putting far, far more smoke into your lungs.

THis is not true for me and I am shure most people dont take 100 puffs a bowl.

Definitely something wrong with your math there. My average bowl lasts ~90 minutes, and I take about 4-5 draws per minute. That's about 450 draws in a bowl if I'm smoking fairly rapidly.

Also there is no H in sure. Edited February 11, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[zeppyrkr]

It's my understanding that cancer is caused primarily from having smoke your lungs, not from the toxins in cigarettes. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

If we can assume it to be correct, smoking hookah would put you at a significantly greater risk of getting lung cancer than cigarettes.

not cool! i havent heard that but i really hope thats not true, great can't wait for it.

[Foos]

O they have a cure, they just don't want to hand it out because cancer and AIDS are the primary population control right now...otherwise this planet would be more overpopulated than it is now...

bwaaaaahahahahahahaaaha



I think if you really want to know the long term effects of smoking hookah find out lung cancer statistics from middle eastern countries. They have been smoking for a lot longer than most of us.

[zeppyrkr]

O they have a cure, they just don't want to hand it out because cancer and AIDS are the primary population control right now...otherwise this planet would be more overpopulated than it is now...

bwaaaaahahahahahahaaaha



I think if you really want to know the long term effects of smoking hookah find out lung cancer statistics from middle eastern countries. They have been smoking for a lot longer than most of us.

very good point, but they have much less standard of living .. but actually i have no idea but i would assume there life expectency is much lower then ours.

[Foos]

O they have a cure, they just don't want to hand it out because cancer and AIDS are the primary population control right now...otherwise this planet would be more overpopulated than it is now...

bwaaaaahahahahahahaaaha



I think if you really want to know the long term effects of smoking hookah find out lung cancer statistics from middle eastern countries. They have been smoking for a lot longer than most of us.

very good point, but they have much less standard of living .. but actually i have no idea but i would assume there life expectency is much lower then ours.

Perhaps....from smoking hookah?!!?!?!?

[amnite]

Heres an official Middle eastern cancer study in relation to cigarettes.

"4]. Smoking more than 20
cigarettes a day has been shown to confer a risk of between 15-
and 25-fold relative to nonsmokers [10-12]. Both the duration and
intensity of cigarette smoking increases the risk, as does the tar
content and the lack of a filter [13]. The risk decreases with time
after smoking cessation, with long-term ex-smokers approaching but
not reaching the risk of nonsmokers [14]. Other types of tobacco
smoking, such as pipe, cigar, and water-pipe smoking, are also
linked to lung cancer, although the relative risks are not as high
as for cigarette smoking"

Concluasion to the study:
"The data show that lung cancer incidence in the MECC populations
was much lower than in the US SEER population. However, the
younger age groups (under 60 years of age) in the Israeli Arab male
population had rates comparable to those in US SEER, and it is
possible that a cohort effect is in progress, whereby rates in the older
age groups will also reach or surpass those in the United States.
There is also a hint of a similar phenomenon among the Israeli
Jewish male population, although from past smoking prevalence
data one might expect to see higher rates than are currently being
observed. It is possible that genetic factors may explain part of
the difference currently seen between Israeli Jewish and US SEER
rates. Apart from the Israeli Arabs, other Arab populations in MECC
appear to have had low rates, although reports of higher smoking
prevalence in these populations give reason for greater vigilance.
Unusual histological patterns in Cyprus, with a high proportion of
adenocarcinoma, and in Egypt, with a high proportion of large cell
carcinoma, deserve further examination.".

More studies
"A decrease in the peak expiratory flow rate was found among water-pipe smokers in 1 study of 203 Turkish men,31 whereas no association was found between pulmonary function and WPS in another group of 54 Turkish men.32 A third study of 397 Turkish men reported a detrimental effect on pulmonary function, specifically on the peak expiratory flow rate, although the decrease was smaller than with cigarette smoking.18" Edited February 11, 2008 by amnite

[drfefe2]

THis is not true for me and I am shure most people dont take 100 puffs a bowl.

Definitely something wrong with your math there. My average bowl lasts ~90 minutes, and I take about 4-5 draws per minute. That's about 450 draws in a bowl if I'm smoking fairly rapidly.

Also there is no H in sure.

Every time I have Hookah'ed I have had at least 2 other people with me. So yes if I were to smoke by myself I would draw much more.