Kosovo Declares Independence From Serbia

[WrenchNinja89]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/17...ence/index.html

I don't really know much about Serbia or Kosovo, but I figure this is pretty newsworthy. From what I understand, Russia isn't very happy about it, and naturally the Serbian government is pretty pissed, seeing as about 10% of Kosovo's population are Serbs. Could be interesting to see where this heads.

[oolatec]

We will end up going back in there like we did in the 90s to clean up another mess.

[gaia.plateau]

I'm not sure how I feel about this yet. On the one hand, the Albanian people are already a nation separate from Serbia, and deserve their own legal territory as much as the Serbs do. On the other hand, what right does NATO have to decide the sovereignty of nations? And why the Kosovo and the Albanians, and not Darfur and the Christian/Animists, or Iraq and the Kurds, and more importantly where does this stop? Should NATO just be allowed to prance around Eastern Europe (based on their track record I can't really blame them from staying out of Africa and Southeast Asia), chopping up states here and there as they deem just?

Better Articleshere and here. Edited February 18, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[r1v3th3ad]

They're testing to see if anyone cares and retaliates, for a possibility of NWO with them as the leaders.

[Texico]

In my opinion... I can't willingly support an independent nation of Kosovo, but if Albania were to annex Kosovo then I could support that action. I think that since the region is primarily Albanian then they should not be an independent country but should become part of the current nation of Albania.

I like how the Serbs are blaming Pres. Bush for this. I mean, I know that the US controls NATO, but what do we have to gain by Kosovo gaining its independence? It's bullshit that they're blaming the US for the violence in Serbia, too. NATO has only declared that it will protect the sovereignty of the new state of Kosovo. Well, no fucking shit, we've already seen what the Serbs are willing to do to the ethnic Albanians.

But as I've said, I only support the annexation of Kosovo by Albania. Apparently that can't happen, though, as its declaration of independence states that it can't join another country.

[oolatec]

In my opinion... I can't willingly support an independent nation of Kosovo, but if Albania were to annex Kosovo then I could support that action. I think that since the region is primarily Albanian then they should not be an independent country but should become part of the current nation of Albania.

I like how the Serbs are blaming Pres. Bush for this. I mean, I know that the US controls NATO, but what do we have to gain by Kosovo gaining its independence? It's bullshit that they're blaming the US for the violence in Serbia, too. NATO has only declared that it will protect the sovereignty of the new state of Kosovo. Well, no fucking shit, we've already seen what the Serbs are willing to do to the ethnic Albanians.

But as I've said, I only support the annexation of Kosovo by Albania. Apparently that can't happen, though, as its declaration of independence states that it can't join another country.

Well, we did stick our noses into a civil war, of which we had no business doing IMO... back in the 90's...

[Texico]

In that case, then we have no business trying to do anything in Darfur, in Kosovo right now, or any where else in the world. Are you a Ron Paul supporter? I mean, as much as I would love to see the rest of the world go to shit because we stop sticking our nose in everyone else's business I just can't see the rest of the country doing so. We're too compassionate and focused on trying to help other people in my opinion.

[Perrj99]

I wish we'd look out solely got ourselves from now on...Then the rest of the civilized world, and the not so civilized world, which we've played a major role in saving at least once, could start bitching about their own problems and not what they think we should or shouldn't be doing. That's just me, maybe I'm selfish. If we stop intervening in other countries' problems, we'll have a fuckload less of our own.

[oolatec]

In that case, then we have no business trying to do anything in Darfur, in Kosovo right now, or any where else in the world. Are you a Ron Paul supporter? I mean, as much as I would love to see the rest of the world go to shit because we stop sticking our nose in everyone else's business I just can't see the rest of the country doing so. We're too compassionate and focused on trying to help other people in my opinion.

Darfur is totally different. Kosovo is right smack dab in the middle of Europe... hardly surrounded by countries that can't do anything to help, yet we are the ones that had to swoop in and do their work for them.

Darfur... Africa... too much risk for everyone if nothing is done... and unfortunately that's what has been happening there since day one. Nothing.

And no. I'm not a Ron Paul supporter. Not in the least. lol

[gaia.plateau]

Darfur is totally different. Kosovo is right smack dab in the middle of Europe... hardly surrounded by countries that can't do anything to help, yet we are the ones that had to swoop in and do their work for them.

Are you referring to the 1999 invasion? Firstly, "swooped" isn't really an appropriate word for dropping bombs from 200 metres in the sky, for 3 months, against innocent civilians and drafted militia.

Secondly, Britain, France, and Canada were involved.

Thirdly, the NATO invasion of Kosovo is internationally recognized to be an illegal action that only further legitimated brutality and violence in the world. It had no small part to play in the 9/11 attacks, from a systemic perspective. It had a huge role to play in the Iraq war.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...=va&aid=459
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyBxcWNfrrQ

[oolatec]

Hey, we never should have gotten involved there. It was Europe's problem, and they are more than capable of taking care of their own yard.

*edit*

Great... now everyone seems to be bailing... so much for Europe taking care of their own messes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../wserbia124.xml Edited February 24, 2008 by oolatec

[TheScotsman]

Secondly, Britain, France, and Canada were involved.

Thirdly, the NATO invasion of Kosovo is internationally recognized to be an illegal action that only further legitimated brutality and violence in the world. It had no small part to play in the 9/11 attacks, from a systemic perspective. It had a huge role to play in the Iraq war.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...=va&aid=459
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyBxcWNfrrQ

Legality lies in the eyes of the nations involved, and why the UN is irrelevant in US foreign affairs, little more than a speed bump. The UN fails to take any action in cases it is warranted. I don't call a resolution an action... more of a bad Monty Python skit actually, "Stop, or I'll say stop again". Aye, that works. Didn't the RCMP send a bunch of investigators? I seem to recall something about it, seeing photos of them knees deep in partialy decayed corpses. What should the world have done? Stand back, and let the bodies pile up? That would be effective, no fight when only one side is left! I have come to the conclusion Gaia is just a typical USA basher, it really doesn't matter what it is, or the decision, the USA is wrong. Once figured out, it puts all his comments into the correct light.

[Texico]

I've made an interesting decision. I agree with BOTH gaia and TheScotsman. The UN, from what I have seen, has relatively little power due to the diverse interests of the member countries. That Russia and China are nearly diametrically opposed to the United States severely prohibits both sides from any action. That opposition is primarily why NATO was formed. The United States controls NATO, and if the US Congress will vote to go to war, or if the President is within the confines of the 60 days (not sure if this time limit is correct) undeclared war then technically the war is legal. The regulations of the UN are merely suggestions to those countries with the power to actually break them. The idea of international law at this point in human existence is largely a joke.

However, I'm beginning to believe that the US should bring all of its troops home. If, after doing so, the whole world is better off without our troops then good for us and the world; our troops aren't dying in foreign countries and the world is now a better place. If, as has been postulated by many, the world goes to shit because we aren't enforcing "peace" any more then good for us; our troops aren't dying and the world can go fuck itself because this was what they wanted.

Sound like a plan?