Hate Of America

[zeppyrkr]

america was attacked alright, by the bush regime...9/11 truth

+1
that shit was sketchy as fuck, im glad we all weren't blinded by there bs

[Canon]

I also strongly and by strongly i mean like super strongly hate bush. SOOOO MUCH. basically tho the reason they hate american is because they look as it as that we voted for him, whereas ppl need to realize he rigged the elections and by popular majority the majority voted against him. STUPID ELECTORAL COLLEGE. ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. lol. but also they are to some degree in some fear of the US and to some degree they still are worried a bit about terrorists. However, they feel that the US is the reason for everything and they are pretty much Europes scape goat. They just need to realize that most of us HATE him probably more than they do. My mom was in London 5 years ago on a business meeting and her taxi driver started cussing her out about how she was so rotten for voting for bush and my mom fucking went off on that filthy piece of shit and told him to shut the fuck up cause she hated him more and he needs to stop being such an ignorant fagget.... he shut up. . but yea the Europeans need to realize that it's not our fault, yes there are the people who voted for him of course but they dont understand that with an election there is always the other side of the voters.

Ok. To start out this thread I would like to point out that I do NOT support Bush. I would also like to point out I don't support the war in Iraq.

Ok, I was thinking to myself today about how many countries hate America now. I'm in Germany right now and some people act as if Bush is the worst person ever. Many countries are quick to criticize America and talk about how we started a war and how we are so horrible, yet forget to realise that mose countries have had fascists. Italians had Mussolini, Germans had Hitler, Russians has Stalin. When you think about it Bush isn't nearly as bad as most of these people. Why do countries feel the need to criticize America so harshly when they've had their own fascist leaders? Is it a way for them to try and draw attention away from themselves? I just felt the need to say this to someone because it pisses me off how people act like Americans are the worst people ever.

didnt bush win the 2nd election by popular vote aswell? he didnt win the 1st election that way.

[gaia.plateau]

america was attacked alright, by the bush regime...9/11 truth

+1
that shit was sketchy as fuck, im glad we all weren't blinded by there bs

I'm just going to link to my Zeitgeist response, because I'm too lazy to paraphrase it.

Click the little arrow.

[St. Goodypants]

didnt bush win the 2nd election by popular vote aswell? he didnt win the 1st election that way.

yep. It's goddamn sad considering he's probably the most disliked president in a damn long time. Says something about our attention span and rational thought capacity I think.

ooohhh pretty campaign ad! Edited March 6, 2008 by St. Goodypants

[Bulldog_916]

Swift Boat Vets for Truth!!!! Please come back!!! Where are you???

Now John McCain is going to showboat his Vietnam experience to become president and no one is here to question him on it! 3 Purple Hearts! He didnt really go right? Psh.

[addicted2shisha]

didnt bush win the 2nd election by popular vote aswell? he didnt win the 1st election that way.

yep. It's goddamn sad considering he's probably the most disliked president in a damn long time. Says something about our attention span and rational thought capacity I think.

It seems to be the concensus that Bush is very much disliked... He was voted in by the American people once... that mistake we can forgive... But the second time?? I really struggle to comprehend the mental state of the American people... (As a whole... no individual offence meant!)

[r1v3th3ad]

Didn't Bush steal the election in 2000 in the first place? Not that I'm a Michael Moore supporter, but I liked his book Stupid White Men...
and ya, Bush didn't win second election by the people, it was def. the electorial college. Look at how many people in Florida weren't allowed to vote...If you had the same last name as a convicted criminal, cant vote. Parking tickets, can't vote. Black, can't vote....it was all fucked up. Got away with everything too, considering his bro was gov. there and his cousin runs fox news

[J-thehookaholic]

Didn't Bush steal the election in 2000 in the first place? Not that I'm a Michael Moore supporter, but I liked his book Stupid White Men...
and ya, Bush didn't win second election by the people, it was def. the electorial college. Look at how many people in Florida weren't allowed to vote...If you had the same last name as a convicted criminal, cant vote. Parking tickets, can't vote. Black, can't vote....it was all fucked up. Got away with everything too, considering his bro was gov. there and his cousin runs fox news

Not only did he steal the election in florida in 2000, but there were serious issues in Ohio in '04.

[Ralleac]

you realize that the US was attacked right? Things would be different if 9/11 never happened. I don't want to get attacked again and if you have a problem with bush just sit tight he will be gone soon. And if a democrat wins there should be no resistance getting bills passed through congress.

The connections between 9/11 and what Bush has been promoting in Iraq are tenuous at best. He's harmed our economy in ways few of us could have imagined 8-9 years ago, and the war has resulted in more American deaths than the initial attack in the first place fighting without any clear goal in mind. Hell, the reasons given to the public to boost support for the war initially were false. If we ever do successfully get out of Iraq, how much has actually been accomplished? One dictator down? There will be more, and any changes made in Iraq probably won't be long lasting if you look at our track record. Driving our country into economic collapse over all of this is not making anyone feel safer. I don't hate America. I just live here, and I'm more worried now than I ever was 6 years ago. Edited March 7, 2008 by Ralleac

[zeppyrkr]

you realize that the US was attacked right? Things would be different if 9/11 never happened. I don't want to get attacked again and if you have a problem with bush just sit tight he will be gone soon. And if a democrat wins there should be no resistance getting bills passed through congress.

The connections between 9/11 and what Bush has been promoting in Iraq are tenuous at best. He's harmed our economy in ways few of us could have imagined 8-9 years ago, and the war has resulted in more American deaths than the initial attack in the first place fighting without any clear goal in mind. Hell, the reasons given to the public to boost support for the war initially were false. If we ever do successfully get out of Iraq, how much has actually been accomplished? One dictator down? There will be more, and any changes made in Iraq probably won't be long lasting if you look at our track record. Driving our country into economic collapse over all of this is not making anyone feel safer. I don't hate America. I just live here, and I'm more worried now than I ever was 6 years ago.

what the hell do you think there doing over there? were setting up base stations, we are always going to have military there, which will ease the invasion of other supposed threats. or so ive heard and kind of believe makes sense to me.

[oolatec]

We have always been hated. For one reason or another. No matter what we do or don't do.

[oolatec]

you realize that the US was attacked right? Things would be different if 9/11 never happened. I don't want to get attacked again and if you have a problem with bush just sit tight he will be gone soon. And if a democrat wins there should be no resistance getting bills passed through congress.

The connections between 9/11 and what Bush has been promoting in Iraq are tenuous at best. He's harmed our economy in ways few of us could have imagined 8-9 years ago, and the war has resulted in more American deaths than the initial attack in the first place fighting without any clear goal in mind. Hell, the reasons given to the public to boost support for the war initially were false. If we ever do successfully get out of Iraq, how much has actually been accomplished? One dictator down? There will be more, and any changes made in Iraq probably won't be long lasting if you look at our track record. Driving our country into economic collapse over all of this is not making anyone feel safer. I don't hate America. I just live here, and I'm more worried now than I ever was 6 years ago.

what the hell do you think there doing over there? were setting up base stations, we are always going to have military there, which will ease the invasion of other supposed threats. or so ive heard and kind of believe makes sense to me.

Good. We have Iran surrounded. Let them try something. Just let them!

And about the pre-2003 intel... some of it may have been false, but it wasn't all dreamed up out of thin air in 2001 once Bush was sworn in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgaVtVaiJE

And what of the innocent Iraqi children? Expendable...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_QshS2EW8

Sanctions were killing more Iraqis than OIF ever has. Not to mention the fact that the sanctions re: Oil for Food were making a lot of fat cats around the world even fatter, including Saddam himself. Indefinite sanctions was completely unrealistic... and if they were ever lifted while Saddam was still in power, he would have, without a doubt, reconstituted all of his weapons. That was his plan all along. To outlast the sanctions. Unfortunately, there was no other realistic way to deal with the Saddam regime. You may think we have a mess on our hands now, but had we not gone in, we'd be dealing with a nuclear Iran and Iraq within the next few years. 5 tops IMO.

[gaia.plateau]

If we ever do successfully get out of Iraq, how much has actually been accomplished? One dictator down?

The part that I find really hilarious about this argument (when it is used to defend the Iraq War) is that during the Iraq war the Bush Administration covertly toppled a functioning democracy and installed a new dictatorship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Haitian_rebellion

On March 1, 2004, US Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA), along with Aristide family friend Randall Robinson, reported that Aristide had told them (using a smuggled cellular phone), that he had been forced to resign and abducted from the country by the United States. He claimed to be held hostage by an armed military guard.^[17]

Aristide later repeated similar claims, as in an interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! on March 16. He was pressured to resign from office by U.S. soldiers and James B. Foley, U.S. Ambassador to Haïti, on February 29. An aircraft provided by the U.S. carried Aristide and his wife, Mildred Trouillot Aristide, into exile to the Central African Republic. Goodman asked Aristide if he resigned, and President Aristide replied: "No, I didn't resign. What some people call 'resignation' is a 'new coup d'etat,' or 'modern kidnapping.'"^[18][19]

It renders quite comical the notion that brutal dictatorships are unfavourable in the eyes of US foreign policy. Note that Canada and France both played roles in this as well, it's economically beneficial to all rich nations to keep poor, desperate countries like Haiti poor and desperate.

[Ralleac]

what the hell do you think there doing over there? were setting up base stations, we are always going to have military there, which will ease the invasion of other supposed threats. or so ive heard and kind of believe makes sense to me.

How will said invasions be paid for? We can't keep borrowing money to pump into the military forever. Edited March 7, 2008 by Ralleac

[gaia.plateau]

As for the Iraqi people... how many were killed by their fellow Iraqis? 1M... well, that's still 500,000 less than estimates of the total Saddam killed while in power, sounds like they are getting the deal of a lifetime!

1) That was over 23 years, and
2) it began when... who put him in power again? Edited March 7, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[St. Goodypants]

what the hell do you think there doing over there? were setting up base stations, we are always going to have military there, which will ease the invasion of other supposed threats. or so ive heard and kind of believe makes sense to me.

How will said invasions be paid for? We can't keep borrowing money to pump into the military forever.

Why not? We've been doing it for the military and just about everything else for a damn long time.

[Ralleac]

what the hell do you think there doing over there? were setting up base stations, we are always going to have military there, which will ease the invasion of other supposed threats. or so ive heard and kind of believe makes sense to me.

How will said invasions be paid for? We can't keep borrowing money to pump into the military forever.

Why not? We've been doing it for the military and just about everything else for a damn long time.

Yes, but at the rate they're creating and borrowing money inflation is going to jump and the strength of our economy will falter eventually. Even counting for normal inflation in the economy the national debt has increased by several trillion dollars in the past 8 years. It has been steadily rising since the 80's, but never so quickly. It's getting ridiculous. Edited March 10, 2008 by Ralleac

[r1v3th3ad]

+1
economy sucks balls
I want out of the country in a bad way

[TheScotsman]

what the hell do you think there doing over there? were setting up base stations, we are always going to have military there, which will ease the invasion of other supposed threats. or so ive heard and kind of believe makes sense to me.

How will said invasions be paid for? We can't keep borrowing money to pump into the military forever.

Why not? We've been doing it for the military and just about everything else for a damn long time.

Yes, but at the rate they're creating and borrowing money inflation is going to jump and the strength of our economy will falter eventually. Even counting for normal inflation in the economy the national debt has increased by several trillion dollars in the past 8 years. It has been steadily rising since the 80's, but never so quickly. It's getting ridiculous.

Usually inflation is accompanied by an increase in the prime. When the prime goes up, so does the gov'ts credit, and the value of the currency on the international market. In the end, while inflation is going to do damage to the masses, it props up the gov't in the short term. In the long term, the only two options are going deeper into debt, in the end a self-limiting proposition, or start spending less... allot less. Neither party has any intention of getting off the spending-bandwagon, I guess the country's future is to spend until no one will issue more credit, then the following economic collapse. The USA's economy affects all the world, no one escapes from it's fluctuations. If there is any solace to be found, it is that when the US economy tanks hard, so goes German, Canada, the UK, Japan, Korea, and China. At least we will have company in the soup line.