A Little Less Hate For America

[Canon]

i know most of you hate America, if you do this is not your thread to post in, I'm not sorry. i serve in this great nation. i have dedicated at least 4 years of my life to serve, and to take for granted what we are doing is an American privilege. There have been many and will be many more to die to keep the nation free, whether that be from terrorists or an enemy nation, we train for the worse but hope for the best. I can say this, unless you have close family/friends in the military or have been in it yourself you really have no idea what its like, the sacrifices that we make. heres a tribute to our soldiers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYPVQt-hZ2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervaMPt4Ha0...feature=related


note to mods, if this thread at all becomes anti American, if you cant delete the post then just lock the thread. Edited March 5, 2008 by Canon

[r1v3th3ad]

My buddy is in the national guard, getting deployed in September. He just became a father. Gonna smoke one with him when I finally get up to my cabin in May. Hats off to those who serve to protect our freedoms, even when the war is for the wrong reasons, they are there for us and willing to take the bullet, very noble.

[Bulldog_916]

When they say that they "hate" America, they are saying that they hate what America has become under this dick President and his "Brain" Dick Cheney. Our people voted for him and in a sense gave him a mandate to do whatever he wanted. In 2006, we checked that mandate by electing a democratic majority. We dont hate soldiers or those who serve. If you think that you are a fool. The soldiers are the ones paying for our ability to say what we feel. I personally love America. I want this country to become better. I'm cashing that change by voting for Obama. I cant justify another Republican president. I dont see Hillary winning against McCain. If Hillary is the candidate, we may as well cash the November Election to McCain.

That being said, show the love to America! Show the love to our soldiers! Pay for their VA hospital bills when they get home! Support the millions of vets that have already shown that love for us! I'd be ever so willing to take a tax hike to know they are being cared for. Wouldnt you?

[chinamon]

i dont hate america or americans.
i just think bush is a fucking retard.
mind you, some americans arent very bright when it comes to dealing with topics unrelated with the u.s.a.

[ahwahoo2006]

When they say that they "hate" America, they are saying that they hate what America has become under this dick President and his "Brain" Dick Cheney.

To preface this, let me say that yes, I am a Republican, but I did not vote for Bush (shocking, I know). Unfortunately, it has become very easily for many people to blame this on Bush and his ilk, but those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. This is NOT a recent development. See: Iranian Hostage Crisis; US Marine Barracks, Lebanon; Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia; The first World Trade Center Bombing (bet you forgot about that one); and the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Many people in the world hate you for much more irrational things than policy - such as your religion or skin color or "sinful lifestyle." Granted there are people who disagree with US policy and are willing to have a rational discussion about it, but it's the ones who would rather resort to violence that you have to worry about.

Be thankful you live in a country where you don't have to worry that you and your family might disappear one night for saying something contrary to the government.

“It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.”
–Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC

[zeppyrkr]

i love america
i hate bush
hate me if you want to
we need to get the fuck out of the middle east, were giving a reason for countless other countries to even hate us more

peace not war

[gaia.plateau]

You need to switch to a multilateral, internationally legal presence in the Middle East

we need to get the fuck out of the middle east, were giving a reason for countless other countries to even hate us more

[TheScotsman]

i dont hate america or americans.
i just think bush is a fucking retard.
mind you, some americans arent very bright when it comes to dealing with topics unrelated with the u.s.a.

Some are just not too bright. A bit ago I read a study that found 30% of HS students couldn't find Iraq, Iran, or Israel on a map. Canada fared better, but 10% couldn't the place either. (And they think they can make an informed opinion on whom to elect? That frightens me.)

The land of emotional reactions, seldom thought out, seldom informed. (just look at an O-bama-nation voter for proof!)

Peace not war? Man, are you having a flashback to the 60's or something? In a simplistic statement there is little information. Sometimes it is unavoidable for many reasons. In the (paraphrased) words of Albert Einstein... As long as there are men, there will be war. Example, do you really have any belief the USA is going to let Iran develop a nuke? Ya, that is going to help peace

Did you notice O-bama-nation is starting to change his tune on the Mid East? He's not saying leave right off, but leave "with honor". WTF does that mean? Hand out a bus load of medals, then hit the road? Talk about vague... but you can be sure it does not mean leave very soon.

I Quote O-bama-nation... "If al-Qaida is forming a base in Iraq, then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad." Sounds like we are going to be headed back to the Mid East after we leave. An American exodus is not going to cause the entire mid east to join hands and start singing kumbaya around a smoking pile of camel crap. To think such shows a lack of understanding in an area that has been in continuous conflict since the 8th century.

Aye, let's hear someone say we need a change... Come on, someone will start that chant... (waiting)

Ok, that done, now go find me an INCUMBENT democrat running for re-election that says we need a change. Or a republican running that does not want change (at least in their own office). I seem to recall GW saying we needed a change, Bubba said the same... Truth be known, I would bet every politician chanted for change when they first ran for an office... And the dolts listen every time, never seeking the truth about a candidate. Edited March 5, 2008 by TheScotsman

[zeppyrkr]

we all have our opinions and i don't think you have to live in the 60's to not agree with war, especially if you don't agree with the reason behind it.

and until i see the actual threat of a 3rd world country i dont find the need to invade them.

too many people are suckered into this false sense fear.

[.cOLt.45.]

Thank you and all other Americans that serve in the military.

[TheScotsman]

we all have our opinions and i don't think you have to live in the 60's to not agree with war, especially if you don't agree with the reason behind it.

and until i see the actual threat of a 3rd world country i dont find the need to invade them.

too many people are suckered into this false sense fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4s3fn8jDc
there, now you see the threat, or rather one of them. Which floors had a false sense of fear?

[Perrj99]

we all have our opinions and i don't think you have to live in the 60's to not agree with war, especially if you don't agree with the reason behind it.

and until i see the actual threat of a 3rd world country i dont find the need to invade them.

too many people are suckered into this false sense fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4s3fn8jDc
there, now you see the threat, or rather one of them. Which floors had a false sense of fear?

Oh noesss!! Duh, we all know it was a huge gov't conspiracy, because the masses aren't easily swayed otherwise ...You know, especially pre-9/11...hijacking an airplane was nearly impossible, there's no way men who were trained to a certain extend to do such could have done such a simple task!

[Bulldog_916]

we all have our opinions and i don't think you have to live in the 60's to not agree with war, especially if you don't agree with the reason behind it.

and until i see the actual threat of a 3rd world country i dont find the need to invade them.

too many people are suckered into this false sense fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4s3fn8jDc
there, now you see the threat, or rather one of them. Which floors had a false sense of fear?

That shows ignorance on your part Scotsman.

The attack happened, we invaded Afghanistan, and rightly so. Now we have ALLOWED al Qaida to reform and regroup inside Afghanistan. There was a reason al Qaida was so sparce (READ: There was none there!) in Iraq. The brutal dictator made sure there was no BS like that. It wasnt a moral mission we went on. Now that we are there, it's time to get back on track. Get the Iraqi forces and government to train their people to fight and put a timetable on it. I dont care if al Qaida knows it or not. If we get their people trained right and quick, it wont matter when we leave. Iraq will be free under its own volition. Hell, do what we did before and give them weapons, not missiles, but body armor, small arms, tanks, and some armored transports. Anything they need to fight their own battles. We'll sit in Turkey and Kuwait, if any fires spring up, all they gotta do is call in an air or sea-based strike and we pound the shit out of the al Qaeda fighters. We dont need ground troops sitting there for years on end. And keep a few special forces groups around, if they stay low, they might be able to assassinate key leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq. More than could be accomplished with troop brigades that stick out like sore thumbs.

[St. Goodypants]

Ya know, we're probably making a few more policy mistakes right now that will come back to bite us in the ass. We gave al-qaeda it's sense of organized power by empowering them to stop the USSR from taking afghanistan. They learned from this and turned their anger on us.

Wow, that takes a lot of brainpower to figure out.

You're also more likely to die of a car wreck (or cancer of our hookah smoking lungs ) than you are in a terrorist attack. It really sucks when it happens, but I'm a bit more scared of the semi on the other side of the road than I am of a letter bomb. The letter bomb just has shock value.


Anyway, I support the soldiers. I wish we hadn't gone to Iraq.

Oh, and "Hate America"? fuck that. I hear that all the damn time and it is fucking stupid. You can disagree with your country's policies and still love your goddamn country. Patriotism isn't just following the leader, especially not in a democratic system in which we strive to preserve our freedoms.



Wow, I'm feelin' the rage today! Edited March 6, 2008 by St. Goodypants

[zeppyrkr]

we all have our opinions and i don't think you have to live in the 60's to not agree with war, especially if you don't agree with the reason behind it.

and until i see the actual threat of a 3rd world country i dont find the need to invade them.

too many people are suckered into this false sense fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4s3fn8jDc
there, now you see the threat, or rather one of them. Which floors had a false sense of fear?

theres no arguing i guess you either see it or you don't , and i for some odd reason see beyond what happened. Bush didn't have to physically go in to the buildings and plant bombs or what not to be part of it. The gov. left important information out and theres to many unanswered questions from that day for me to agree that a certain group of bad men had done this and we have taken 8 years to find and stop them wait, aren't we trying to reform iraq, honestly i have no idea what we are doing over there this exact moment i don't think it has much to do with stopping bin ladin. again think what will ...

what should we have done if what the gov. say is all true?
in my personal opinion going over to the middle east to find/stop bin ladin, was perfectly fine. But how about strengthening our borders and improve NORAD, because they fucked up royally on 9/11 ... to this day i would feel completely safe standing on the top floor of the wct(if still standing) if bush was not president, call me crazy


also im very sorry canon i didn't expect to get this out of hand and kind of ruin your thread Edited March 6, 2008 by zeppyrkr

[gaia.plateau]

Goodypants and Zeppyrkyr hate America!!!

Canon... broseph... did you really expect a discussion about the US wherein no one mentioned any problems or criticisms? You imply that people in the "Hate of America" thread "hate America" for expressing doubts, concerns, suspicions and criticisms of national policy... but the real people who are doing a disservice to your country and the ideals it was built on, are the ones helping it crumble by denying any question or criticism of what it's become.

[Balthazar]

we all have our opinions and i don't think you have to live in the 60's to not agree with war, especially if you don't agree with the reason behind it.

and until i see the actual threat of a 3rd world country i dont find the need to invade them.

too many people are suckered into this false sense fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4s3fn8jDc
there, now you see the threat, or rather one of them. Which floors had a false sense of fear?

In Latin America a lot of people refer to this as "The Second 9/11". I guess the threat-image differs from nation to nation. Of course, terrorism might happen on 
American ground again, but it's not like something like terrorism can be stopped with an invasion (and that's certainly not why we invaded Iraq). It's not exactly like the reqruitment of fanatics has been slowed down?

[J-thehookaholic]

My problem has never been what this country is supposed to stand for, or the men and women that serve it. My beef is with this nation's hypocritical foreign policy and absolutely retarded domestic policy and the dumb greedy self centered assholes that think this shit up and think its a good idea. Fiscal and monetary policy in this coutry are ruining us and killing the middle class. I don't hate my country, I love it, I look at it everyday at what the founders laid out and how truely far we've strayed from those principals and it saddens me.

How can anyone that's served and taken an oath to uphold the constitution and defend this country from threats, foriegn or domestic, be ok with the shit thats going down? Where in the constitution does it give the President the authority to sign and abide by treaties not signed off on by the senate? Where in the consitution does it give the President the authority to wage war without a vote from congress? Where in the constitution does it give the President the authority to use signing statements and executive orders to completely circumvent congress and the supreme court? I ask this not to be a dick, but because I think its a question that needs to be asked and debated.

We've strayed very far from a country parnoid about the powers of gov't to tax, imprision and invade privacy at will to one that gives up civil rights and liberties all to readily. If there was ever a time to be parnoid about that shit, right about now would seem like a good time.

[Polychronius]

Well, I'm Swedish so my opinion might not matter but I like the USA.

Also, I would wager that alot of the hate steems from USA being the most powerful country...
People always resent those more powerful then themselfs. *shrugs* Edited March 6, 2008 by Polychronius

[zeppyrkr]

Well, I'm Swedish so my opinion might not matter but I like the USA.

Also, I would wager that alot of the hate steems from USA being the most powerful country...
People always resent those more powerful then themselfs. *shrugs*

better hope there are no terrists over by you, lol jk

its a great and we do have a handful of freedoms

[Canon]

Goodypants and Zeppyrkyr hate America!!!

Canon... broseph... did you really expect a discussion about the US wherein no one mentioned any problems or criticisms? You imply that people in the "Hate of America" thread "hate America" for expressing doubts, concerns, suspicions and criticisms of national policy... but the real people who are doing a disservice to your country and the ideals it was built on, are the ones helping it crumble by denying any question or criticism of what it's become.

no i imply that instead of critisizing our country (which theres plenty of posts to do) we could at least honor the people who serve our country, but it seems i was wrong.

mods when you get a chance lock the thread. its sad to see some people cant go into a thread supporting our troups and not critique our nation.

oh well, i tried Edited March 6, 2008 by Canon

[r1v3th3ad]

ya, I was gonna post about that.
I'm not a fan of what our nation has become, but this isn't the thread for that. This is a thread to respect those who serve for us, who put their lives on the lives for us.
My hat is off to you gentlemen who do such.
I will be drinking it up and packing the hookah a pleanty this summer, my buddy is getting deployed in september.

[ZenSilk]

This is how i see it...

As long as I don't have to fight in any wars, you can all do whatever the fuck you do or don't wanna do. If you love war, sweet, go kill people. If you love Bush, have fun in Hell. Just leave me out of it.

Ohh and kick me outta your country if you want, Canada or Mexico is better anyway.

I'm fine sitting over here declaring war on Mexican gang-members, leave me be, I'm doing you a favor.

People all around me are serving. My best friend's brother has been over there for years. My girlfriend's relatives serve as well. Why they would want to be in the military, i do not understand at all. We aren't gonna lose our "freedom" by the acts of terrorists, we are gonna lose it by the actions of our own government; it's already happening. Osama bin Laden isn't tapping my phones. He just attacked us with our own damn planes, and he did it pretty easily too. With all that intelligence we have, it isn't doing shit. We are arresting 19 year old kids who would love to BE terrorists, but have NO WAY of BECOMING terrorists. We give them all the tools necessary to terrorize, but right before they commit the unspeakable act we say "Oh yeah, we are the FBI, you are under arrest".

America is alright, i don't hate it. I don't hate any country, how could I? No one hates the soldiers, they have the nation's support (most of it, except the cocksuckers). I don't support what the soldiers are doing over there, i don't support how they go about doing it, and i don;t know what would make anyone want to serve other than money; but i do support them as human beings, they have lives too, that are just as important as ours. It may seem like people hate the soldiers, but they in fact REALLY hate Bush and his posse. Soldiers are Bush's hitmen, whether they know it or not. That is terrible, but true. The government is murdering the people it's suppose to be helping survive. Out of all different types of people in the World, there are only a couple of groups whose lives do not matter. Soldiers are not one of them. I support them as people, but not as fighters. Edited March 6, 2008 by ZenSilk

[r1v3th3ad]

by mexican gang members, you do mean mormons right because last I checked, Utah isn't that close to the border, but you got the capitol of the world for mormons

so do mormons go door to door there...even though just about everyone there is one....I'm smiling picturing how that all goes...

[ZenSilk]

by mexican gang members, you do mean mormons right because last I checked, Utah isn't that close to the border, but you got the capitol of the world for mormons

so do mormons go door to door there...even though just about everyone there is one....I'm smiling picturing how that all goes...

We have the highest rate of Tongan Gang Crime in America my friend. But i like Tongans most of the time, except when i have to take them down for pushing a door into a handi-capped kids face and then pushing him against a locker and then laughing. Mexican gang-members are all scum and should die.

Mormons own our state, but not everyone is Mormon, and everyone who isn't Mormon is usually anti-Mormon.

But no need to threrad hi-jack, i have a long posta bout Mexi-gang members youc an read in some other thread.

This thread is about our Soldiers. And then america and shit.

Ohh, and Soldiers aren't "America". Soldiers only represent how America loves to police the globe. And how America loves to murder the people who wish to keep it safe. Edited March 6, 2008 by ZenSilk