Satanism & Witchcraft

[gaia.plateau]

Here's the other side gaia:

If finding knowledge gives you shocks that the belief system which has held you up all these years can't handle is knowledge bad?
Those shocks can be damaging to a person.

If you want my subjective opinion... if someone is so socially trained and religiously indoctrinated that truth and understanding damage their psyche, they're probably better off being insane. Prime candidates for social cleansing.

That being said, I don't think we have anything to worry about, those sorts of people tend to build up tremendous defensive barriers of denial to keep unwanted truths at bay. Edited March 20, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[sheeshabum]

Satan in Hebrew HaSatan הסטן
means "To turn away from". It (Satan) has a job which G-D gives it to turn us away from doing G-D's Will. so why does G-D tell him to make us turn away?If a king tells his subjects to do something and they have no free will, they will of course do the commandment. If G-D does give us free will which animals don't have and we try to do the Commandments even as satan which is born into our soul from birth along with the God-ly image offers another course, yet we don't give in to turn away, this leads to the king being raised to a higher level. Since in reality he is infinate, but not always revealed in this lowest of infinate physical and spiritual worlds he becomes that more revealed.In the end Satan will be shown to be an angel(messenger) of G-D who meant for us to use our free will for good. This is how the Torah views it.Look for "the book of Tanya" which explains this. Its translated in Hebrew-and many languages.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/...Tanya-about.htm

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/...Shorter-Way.htm
Edited March 23, 2008 by sheeshabum

[stuyvo]

iv got LaVey's satanic bible, not a bad book; theres a bit of crap in it like any religeous book but it does have alot of good stuff and intresting points.

[mushrat]

Im staying out of this one. But this thread will be kept civil...or else.

I'm an Adamist.

[Capt. Morgan]

A friend of mine has some family who are wiccan. Don't know shit about their religion but they're good people so I really couldn't care less. As long as its not hurting anybody else believe whatever you want to believe.

[St. Goodypants]

There it is.

The thing which would solve so many of the world's problems has been spoken (ironically?) by Captain Morgan.

[wpw36]

wicca is not a bullshit practice as some of you have said that would be like me saying being christian is a bullshit practice myself being somewhat wiccan and having a brother who is wiccan, i understand some of the practices but some of the stuff i still dont understand but it is a legit practice

[JazzyPiano]

While I may not agree with some religious beliefs, I respect that the religion is only as authentic as the believer makes it to be. As long as it isn't hurting unwilling, innocent people I feel that I have no right to judge.

[Giant Ninja Robot]

While I may not agree with some religious beliefs, I respect that the religion is only as authentic as the believer makes it to be. As long as it isn't hurting unwilling, innocent people I feel that I have no right to judge.

The following is not a direct response to yer comments but my opinion expounding on the mentioned issues...

I dont agree with the idea that a religion is only as authentic as you make it. That's humanistic in nature and gives far too much power to man. Whether you believe in the mystical aspects of religion or not it is by nature meant to be a system of guidance above the influence of men to keep us to higher standards than we would adhere to alone, not created by man in whichever way he pleases. That is how the corrupt brainwash and influence people and how the religious zealots justify hatred and ill behavior toward fellow man. I understand what you mean but it's all too easy for someone who is believing in their religion with all their might to let it overpower common decency and caring in the broader society than their church or set of beliefs. I would hope that misguided religious fervor isn't rewarded as true religion just because of a firm belief. I should know I was among the brainwashed and have seen how pompous and arrogant I once was.

[Snoopy1966]

I am at the point now here I think ANY organized religion is not good. I am a Muslim and I just can not stand the way I get treated because I am an American. I love Islam, I know it is the truth, and I will do what I am supposed to at home and only go to the Masjid for Friday Prayers. In ANY religion you have the extremists and it messes everything up.
Just my .02 cents, and I agree with you JazzyPiano as long as nobody is harmed in what you do is fine by me, after all it is a free world correct??

[Kc-Bassist]

I used to be a LaVeyan satanist and people are greatly misled by the media and common portrayal of satanism. It's really a very intellectual religion based off the realities of human instincts.. It's also a very selfish religion to say the least but before anyone should judge a satanist they should know what they stand for and understand their point of view and beliefs because i thought it was a load of crap till i read up on it and realized that it symbolizes human life itself in a manner of speaking. And thats why i became one but reflecting upon i realize that it doesn't give an explanation of human life only a way to live it. And i didnt want to wander in the dark so i found myself and recollected my beliefs and turned a new leaf. I feel knowing of god is a subconscious feeling and its always there with you but it takes a certain milestone in your life to realize it's their and i hit one of those milestones so maybe someday an avid satanist will reach his like i did but still don't judge them for there religion i still respect who they are and what they stand for and everyone else should do the same.

[TBatcho07]

Sounds like a bunch of malarkey to me.

[Apoc Genesis]

I know someone who's a Satanist. He's really fun to be around but dosent think much of other people and hes one of the least compassionate guys i know. He never hurts anyone, hes not like a crazy sadist or anything like that, but he honestly and truly dosent care about what happens to people, his own parernts included.

I agree with Ninja in that just because someone has a very fervent belief does not mean that it is in any way true. Look at that crazy fundamentalist Mormon cult thats been in the news. Their way to heaven is to marry (i.e. have sex with) as many teenage girls as they possibly can. That kind of "you'll only get into heaven if you listen to me and do______" attitude dosent teach anything about the greater forces of the universe. And theres alot of people/religous organizations that have that kind of attitude.

Satanists and Wiccans I think both have their contributions in helping humanity try to understand more about our universe and ourselves. But as with any other religious group, only on the condition that they dont try to convert me or try to get me to buy their shit

[joytron]

Satanism is about worshipping desires and hoarding the pleasures of life with no regard for the future.




doesnt sound to bad to me.

[TizaNabi]

What're your views on satanism & witchcraft, I dont believe satanism is a bad thing.. it might be portrayed by that by Xianity/Christianity, but maybe its not evil as they say it is, maybe God, is the evil being that portrays Satan as evil instead..

Satanism is interesting. they believe in the demons of the bible (the ones ive had experiance with) but they dont believe the bible to be true, which is ironic because their gods are the demons in the bible. they have rules which i cannot recall, but they arent violent and they dont harm animals. they dont view their satan as the one in the bible.

witchcraft i know less of, they believe in mother earth for the most part. they believe that healing comes from the earth which is true if you think of modern medicine, but once again i dont know alot about witchcraft.

as far as both go.. its the same concept as the public has with hookah, they are misrepresented. when people think of satanism they think of people doing bad things, and with witchcraft they think of weird potions and brooms.

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Canon brings out an intresting point. In the Portion of "Korach" in the Torah (5 Books part) Korach who is a Levi as Moses is a Levi challenges Moses as leader.Everything in Torah must be seen on many levels. Spiritually Korach is our powers of logic and Moses is belief both in each soul. G-D created both and we need both, but logic only goes so far and that is where faith can take us.( Go flap your 2 arms and try to fly to your summer vacation holiday!). Korach KNEW that Moses was chosen by G-D yet he choose to rebel. "Satan" is a Hebrew word. We don't have him in horns and cloved feet, or a body and he is not Lord of Hell since we don't believe in it. "Satan" means "to be drawn away" usually from the right path. G-D gives Satan all the powers to try and turn us away from fufilling our personal jobs here as souls in a body in this time and space. It is said though that the biggest lack in our generation as a whole is lack of love and understanding for our fellow human.Once the Greeks hated thePersians and they were able to get along with each other more or less. India?Thailand,Spain? did not exist. Today all you have todo is read comments on YouTube tosee how everyone else disparrages each other-and they have never met! People who have a particular Nintendo preferrence are cursed online from halfway accross the globe.G-D made it easier now to reach out. China was a closed wall as I grew up. Do you argue with your "natural inclination"? (Satan).

[TizaNabi]

Edited August 11, 2008 by TizaNabi