Tazering An 11 Year Old?

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

I cant believe anyone would believe this is acceptable!

This is a child were talking about, not even a teenager! As an educator, you learn how to deal with unruly children, and using a gun substitute is not a very good way.

You do not use force on a child.
No matter what they do to deserve it. You give them a time out, suspension, detention, whatever. Not force.

She punched an officer in the face!!!!!

nuff said IMO

-H&S

How hard could an 11 yr old punch?
Im not taking the kids side, by any means, I just dont think using a taser on a child is appropriate.

Well that is the specific reason , if you read my previous posts, why I said that the level of action taken to end it should go from weakest "stopping tactic/device" to strongest. But the problem here is we don't know what they exactly did, all we know is that the girl got tazered. Thats why I said, what I said and that is IMO how I would handel the situation.

-H&S

[gaia.plateau]

I cant believe anyone would believe this is acceptable!

This is a child were talking about, not even a teenager! As an educator, you learn how to deal with unruly children, and using a gun substitute is not a very good way.

You do not use force on a child.
No matter what they do to deserve it. You give them a time out, suspension, detention, whatever. Not force.

She punched an officer in the face!!!!!

nuff said IMO

-H&S

In Canada, if you punch an officer in the face, you're going to get punched back in the face, and maybe a knee to the chest. You do not get electrocuted for it, because no individual has the right to meter out justice at their own whim. That's what courts are for.

[kornkitten42]

I cant believe anyone would believe this is acceptable!

This is a child were talking about, not even a teenager! As an educator, you learn how to deal with unruly children, and using a gun substitute is not a very good way.

You do not use force on a child.
No matter what they do to deserve it. You give them a time out, suspension, detention, whatever. Not force.

And you are one reason why this society and country is going down the wrong path.


*edited to add*------- When will people learn that time outs don't work? Detentions don't work, the same damn kids are in there every day! Time outs don't work either. I'm sorry but if you punch a teacher in the face and you are lucky enough to come home, you would be getting your ass beat so fast your head would spin.


AND* - AT 11 years old, I was almost as tall and as big as I am now. I was in karate, and in sports. I can actually say with confidence that I could punch pretty damn hard because I BROKE a few noses, and several of the people looked pretty mangled after I got done with them if it was 1 on 1. (I got into fights constantly with the bully's in school standing up for my friend and myself. ) Edited March 31, 2008 by kornkitten42

[kornkitten42]

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In Canada, if you punch an officer in the face, you're going to get punched back in the face, and maybe a knee to the chest. You do not get electrocuted for it, because no individual has the right to meter out justice at their own whim. That's what courts are for.
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WHAT are you farking kidding me? You want an officer to punch and 11 year old girl in the face or knee'd in the chest? You are suggusting PHYSICAL FORCE to be used on her? so Yeah, lets BREAK her GROWING fagile bones, not zap her with some voltage that won't actually HURT her.
GREAT CHOICE.

If the officer had done what you said, she'd be up Shit creek without a paddle right now, even more people would be screaming for her head and her badge.

I'd rather be tazed than knee'd in the chest.

[gaia.plateau]

Let me guess... you've neither been tased nor kneed in the chest?

I didn't imply that she should have done that to the girl, I was describing what would happen if you or I punched the officer in the face. That might have been apparent from my language "if you", as opposed to "if an 11 year old girl".

I didn't express my opinion, I was stating what would happen. We don't get to choose reality, unfortunately.

WHAT are you farking kidding me? You want an officer to punch and 11 year old girl in the face or knee'd in the chest? You are suggusting PHYSICAL FORCE to be used on her? so Yeah, lets BREAK her GROWING fagile bones, not zap her with some voltage that won't actually HURT her.
GREAT CHOICE.

If the officer had done what you said, she'd be up Shit creek without a paddle right now, even more people would be screaming for her head and her badge.

I'd rather be tazed than knee'd in the chest.

Edited March 31, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[erufiku]

Sounds like the RCMP did it again. Oh snap!

[kornkitten42]

Let me guess... you've neither been tased nor kneed in the chest?

I didn't imply that she should have done that to the girl, I was describing what would happen if you or I punched the officer in the face. That might have been apparent from my language "if you", as opposed to "if an 11 year old girl".

I didn't express my opinion, I was stating what would happen. We don't get to choose reality, unfortunately.

WHAT are you farking kidding me? You want an officer to punch and 11 year old girl in the face or knee'd in the chest? You are suggusting PHYSICAL FORCE to be used on her? so Yeah, lets BREAK her GROWING fagile bones, not zap her with some voltage that won't actually HURT her.
GREAT CHOICE.

If the officer had done what you said, she'd be up Shit creek without a paddle right now, even more people would be screaming for her head and her badge.

I'd rather be tazed than knee'd in the chest.

Gaia.... I actually have been tazed and Kneed in the chest. (i've been in fights and I do work for the police department......)

Break down into perspective -
Getting kneed in chest - Not are you only dealing with the pain of being kneed in the chest, in your sternum, and the wind being knocked out of you, so y ou can't breath and you're are gasping for air.......

Or tazed- you are being shocked all over your body, you feel it everywhere, you lose the ability to stand, you are zapped for however long it's set too, and then it stops, you still feel weird, and you are a little pain, but you are at least able to breathe , the sensation goes away over the next couple of minutes. You are sore but other than that, ok...... and you don't feel like someone in sitting on your chest or have a gigantic bruise that is sensitive to touch on your sternum for days/ weeks.....


Let me guess, you haven't though... correct?

[AlphaJuno]

This thread is so awesome.

If a child is acting unruly and presents a physical threat to anyone, an officer should have the right to incapacitate him using a taser.

Don't tase me, bro.

P.S. - OP, what show was this? Who was presenting this information, the child or the officer?

[gaia.plateau]

When you were tased, you were prepared for it, right? As part of training?

It's another story when you're getting it in the back of the neck and have no idea it's coming.

It's furthermore another story when you have heart problems or etcetera, and die from it, as was the case with a man in an airport about three months ago, and was very nearly the case with that Arab college student in California last year. Edited March 31, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[kornkitten42]

I have heart problems Been diagnosed since I was 11, not major, but still there..... and Yes, part of training, doesn't mean it hurts any less because you are expecting it.

Still doesn't answer if you have or not?

[gaia.plateau]

I have heart problems Been diagnosed since I was 11, not major, but still there..... and Yes, part of training, doesn't mean it hurts any less because you are expecting it.

Still doesn't answer if you have or not?

Yes, I have. I've been a martial artist for 13 years, have been knee'd in the chest more times than there are days in a year, I expect. I've been tased thrice, and only once did I arguably deserve it. Once, as I mentioned, was in the back of the neck, and it hurt like a bastard for over a week.

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

I will resay my opinion.

If a child or someone is causing shit, and the officer thinks the situation is out of control and has to be brought back into control and an end to a situation, then the officer must use the weakest tool/"stopping device" to the strongest until an end is brought to the situation.

If it means starting of with physically trying to stop them and then moving up the ranks of "stopping devices" then so be it if everything els fails and she needs to be tazered, then tazer her.

But once again I also mention that all we know is that the girl got tazered for punching an officer in the face. We don't know if the officer started of from weakest to strongest stopping tactic/tool, the officer COULD have just tazered the girl or started with weakest tactic. We don't know essentially.

-H&S

[AlphaJuno]

So has nobody found out where this story originates from?

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

So has nobody found out where this story originates from?

Doesn't look like it....not yet anyway...

-H&S

[AlphaJuno]

Then it is safe to assume this story was played on some sappy Oprah-esque talkshow and told by the student.

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

Then it is safe to assume this story was played on some sappy Oprah-esque talkshow and told by the student.

I just get really mad when peopleget blinded by the truth because " oh well she was a child and she did not deserve to be tazzered"
EXCUSE me , but if an 11 year old is in the state of mind that she can punch an officer of the law in the face, then she must be dealt with accordingly though. But none of this " lets have the officers badge" s**t . what a load of rubbish.

-H&S

[ahwahoo2006]

here is the news link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342471,00.html

[Canon]

she was as mature as a 5 year old. she was accused of pushing a boy into the street and apon questioning she threw a chair or a desk, things got out of hand enough to where they had to call the officer in, when the officer was trying to control the girl she punched the officer in the face. most of the PARENTS of children of the school that were there say the tazering was justified.. which coming from a parent of a child from the same age as the child that got tazed means alot more then some random people on the forum.

kids, especially some with mental disorders, can be quiet strong. the officer had to go to the hospital later on cause of the kid punching him in the face.

but if people say that the tazering was justified that were there and have children of the same age, and the officer had to go to the hospital i say tazer her ass. sorry but thats my opinion. if my children ever act out like that im giong to make their lives hell (no im not supporting child abuse)

[Perrj99]

Personally, I'd like to taser every 11 year old.

[shisha fan]

if a cop or security guard can`t even handle an 11 year old he/she should look for another job. tazering a young kid is just not right.

[Canon]

if a cop or security guard can`t even handle an 11 year old he/she should look for another job. tasering a young kid is just not right.

she was a big girl based on the pic ive seen of her, and she had diminished mental capability which with some people means they are much much stronger then average 11 year olds. if the kid is throwing punches.. what do you do?

[shisha fan]

if a cop or security guard can`t even handle an 11 year old he/she should look for another job. tazering a young kid is just not right.

she was a big girl based on the pic ive seen of her, and she had diminished mental capability which with some people means they are much much stronger then average 11 year olds. if the kid is throwing punches.. what do you do?

i agree that this kid should face consequences for her actions. but if she is mentally uncapable of realizing what she is actually doing, it is better to restrain her and get her institutionalized (so she can get proffesional help) than using excessive violence (because she probably won`t understand the situation anyway and get even more upset).

but then again, i wasn`t there and it may have been a last resort for the officer in question.

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

if a cop or security guard can`t even handle an 11 year old he/she should look for another job. tasering a young kid is just not right.

she was a big girl based on the pic ive seen of her, and she had diminished mental capability which with some people means they are much much stronger then average 11 year olds. if the kid is throwing punches.. what do you do?

Tazer her!

-H&S

[Canon]

if a cop or security guard can`t even handle an 11 year old he/she should look for another job. tazering a young kid is just not right.

she was a big girl based on the pic ive seen of her, and she had diminished mental capability which with some people means they are much much stronger then average 11 year olds. if the kid is throwing punches.. what do you do?

i agree that this kid should face consequences for her actions. but if she is mentally uncapable of realizing what she is actually doing, it is better to restrain her and get her institutionalized (so she can get proffesional help) than using excessive violence (because she probably won`t understand the situation anyway and get even more upset).

but then again, i wasn`t there and it may have been a last resort for the officer in question.

he was punched while trying to restrain her..

[shisha fan]

if a cop or security guard can`t even handle an 11 year old he/she should look for another job. tazering a young kid is just not right.

she was a big girl based on the pic ive seen of her, and she had diminished mental capability which with some people means they are much much stronger then average 11 year olds. if the kid is throwing punches.. what do you do?

i agree that this kid should face consequences for her actions. but if she is mentally uncapable of realizing what she is actually doing, it is better to restrain her and get her institutionalized (so she can get proffesional help) than using excessive violence (because she probably won`t understand the situation anyway and get even more upset).

but then again, i wasn`t there and it may have been a last resort for the officer in question.

he was punched while trying to restrain her..

than it must have been quite a BIG girl. does tazering leave any permanent damage, or do the effects wear off like with mace?