Why Nht?

[chromecarz00]

Mods and Mush, I know you're getting your respective ban tools out, and I have a feeling that a camel wants to hump me, but wait. Its not what you think.
Lately I have been seeing a number of posts about NHT, not as a means to correct a misconception, but rather as a daily term. Also, I am a whore so I read every single comment on a thread, which means I get to read the mods and the admins remarks about what they think about NHT. The general consensus seems to be that NHT was not created to make acceptable the talk about non-hookah tobacco substances, but rather as a way to communicate to (mostly newbs) what hookah and tobacco are all about.
Why post this here when what I am saying is clearly stated in the rules (or implied at the very least)? Because not many people read the rules, despite numerous attempts to make people read them (Sex and Free Beer comes to mind. Genius by the way). With a title like "Why NHT", its going to attract attention. See? Youre already reading it.
It seems to me that the mods have tried to give us an inch, and we've taken the yardstick and whacked them in the face with it. I can already sense some tension rising in the air (clubbing baby seals), and I personally like to keep the peace. In order to do so we must co-operate.
I am asking that you all please refrain from referring to NHT in ANY way, with the exception of to new people to expain and in conversations discussing misconceptions.
Before this gets too long, the misconception will always be with us. We cannot eradicate it, but we are doing our part by refraining from discussing it to get a message.
Kinda like Gandhi refrained from eating to get a message.
But way different.
I dont want this to become an epic failure of a thread(worldhookah), I just want to have the mods and myself heard.
Mods; speak.

[paiintballa182]

I see what your trying to do, but in doing so, have shed less light and more attention to the subject. IMO, this post was completely unnecessary as we already have TWO of the likes floating about. You want it to never be brought up, yet you make a thread about it in this section. I suggest, for a better response, you post this in the suggestions thread, the mods hover over that one aswell.

[jamesh2]

i think this is a great point, but i do think there is a time and a place where it becomes necessary to discuss these misconceptions, obviously it upsets people, but so be it. we have a problem in this community and i think we need to address it, not turn away.

[jamesh2]

I see what your trying to do, but in doing so, have shed less light, and more attention to the subject. IMO, this post was completely unnecessary, as we already have TWO of the likes floating about.

i feel he makes a valid, and new argument

[chromecarz00]

i think this is a great point, but i do think there is a time and a place where it becomes necessary to discuss these misconceptions, obviously it upsets people, but so be it. we have a problem in this community and i think we need to address it, not turn away.

Exactly what I am trying to do.
Bryan, where? Gimme some links...

[paiintballa182]

You mentioned the threads already, this topic could have easily been brought up in the witch hunt thread, as it is now being heavily moderated by mush. I feel yet another thread concerning the topic is three threads too much.

[chromecarz00]

You mentioned them, this topic could have easily been brought up in the witch hunt thread, as it is now being heavily moderated by mush. I feel yet another thread concerning the topic is three threads too much.

Why post this here when what I am saying is clearly stated in the rules (or implied at the very least)? Because not many people read the rules, despite numerous attempts to make people read them (Sex and Free Beer comes to mind. Genius by the way). With a title like "Why NHT", its going to attract attention. See? Youre already reading it

and most people stop reading a thread when it gets boring.

[jamesh2]

i think this is a great point, but i do think there is a time and a place where it becomes necessary to discuss these misconceptions, obviously it upsets people, but so be it. we have a problem in this community and i think we need to address it, not turn away.

Exactly what I am trying to do.
Bryan, where? Gimme some links...

i feel we both want the same end result, but have different ways of wanting to solve it. i think this is great though, we both care for this community for one reason or another. i think its time to educate, and talk about this as adults. we need not turn away and feel that nht isnt happening, it is and it sucks that we come out looking like bill and ted in the end. most of us are not, a lot of us are professionals, im getting ready to graduate college, some are military men. we are people that enjoy sampling tobaccos and conversing about the machines that do so. i think people need to understand this is a hobby, and not necessarily one made to cover up for dumb activities.

[paiintballa182]

You mentioned them, this topic could have easily been brought up in the witch hunt thread, as it is now being heavily moderated by mush. I feel yet another thread concerning the topic is three threads too much.

Why post this here when what I am saying is clearly stated in the rules (or implied at the very least)? Because not many people read the rules, despite numerous attempts to make people read them (Sex and Free Beer comes to mind. Genius by the way). With a title like "Why NHT", its going to attract attention. See? Youre already reading it

and most people stop reading a thread when it gets boring.

So you make another? It became boring for a reason; And that reason is Much laid down the laws. He said this is AGAINST THE RULES. He moderates that thread so there is no discussion WHATSOEVER, NONE. exept for that of misconceptions, here in which is not the case

[jamesh2]

You mentioned them, this topic could have easily been brought up in the witch hunt thread, as it is now being heavily moderated by mush. I feel yet another thread concerning the topic is three threads too much.

Why post this here when what I am saying is clearly stated in the rules (or implied at the very least)? Because not many people read the rules, despite numerous attempts to make people read them (Sex and Free Beer comes to mind. Genius by the way). With a title like "Why NHT", its going to attract attention. See? Youre already reading it

and most people stop reading a thread when it gets boring.

So you make another? It became boring for a reason; And that reason is Much laid down the laws. He said this is AGAINST THE RULES. He moderates that thread so there is no discussion WHATSOEVER, NONE. exept for that of misconceptions, here in which is not the case

can we please PLEASE not bicker on what belongs where. can we please just talk? happily?

[paiintballa182]

In the tread already on the topic? Yes. In a new one that serves no purpose but to arise more issues, and one that directly breaks the rules? I say no.

[chromecarz00]

You mentioned them, this topic could have easily been brought up in the witch hunt thread, as it is now being heavily moderated by mush. I feel yet another thread concerning the topic is three threads too much.

Why post this here when what I am saying is clearly stated in the rules (or implied at the very least)? Because not many people read the rules, despite numerous attempts to make people read them (Sex and Free Beer comes to mind. Genius by the way). With a title like "Why NHT", its going to attract attention. See? Youre already reading it

and most people stop reading a thread when it gets boring.

So you make another? It became boring for a reason; And that reason is Much laid down the laws. He said this is AGAINST THE RULES. He moderates that thread so there is no discussion WHATSOEVER, NONE. exept for that of misconceptions, here in which is not the case

No. I made another so the rules could have been HEARD becase after that thread STILL there were people referring to it.
Again people. Not trying to start a big discussion. Just trying to get the mods to be heard. People don't listen to them enough.
Bryan. Good Job. You actually READ what the mods say. Most people don't. This thread is for THEM, not YOU.

[paiintballa182]

understood, im off the subject.

[r1v3th3ad]

I think we should refrain from talk of personal use and such, but stories about how cops busted your balls thinkin your hookah was for NHT, or someone asked what kinda NHT you blended in your hookah, or even someone under the influence of NHT screwed up your car...etc...I think that should remain around, once again, no talk (because it is unnecessary and get people to frown on you anyway) of personal use is allowed and no flexibility should be allowed there.
I just don't think it should be fully black-listed like you are suggesting

my $5

[gaia.plateau]

I'm inclined to agree with Bryan, if people don't read and understand the rules, this thread is not going to prove to be an epiphany. What it does serve to do is further sensationalize this issue, effectively making the mods' life more difficult than it already is. Might have been better to post this in one of the many similar threads, or not at all.

[mushrat]

Actually, this has been an issue for a little while now, so I will address it. I am beginning to feel the same way as Chrome, We allowed the terms to be used so that the whole mmis-conception (which really isnt a misconception but you know what we mean) issue could be discussed. It is something we all face and learning how best to deal with people by talking about how we have handled it was a good idea. But I also am seeing an increase in the use of both terms in general discussions. Which as he said, we gave an inch and some folks are taking a mile....

To clarify the rule as written:

2) Do not discuss substances that are illegal in the United States. This is a US based forum and we follow US laws. See the seperate Stickie for specifics on Illegal Substances. You must be of legal smoking age in your home country to be a member of the Forum. Do not post pictures that include devices for smoking illegal substances. the only exception to this rule is in discussions reguarding hookah misconceptions or problems you've had while smoking your hookah. In this situation use the terms NH for a non-hookah device and NHT for non-hookah tobacco. Any other use of these terms will be considered a violation of the rules.

SO..i guess we gotta start cracking down because folks aren't policing themselves as I'd hoped they would. Pitty it's come down to this. If it gets worse, we may have to go back to a Zero tolerence policy again, which I feel should not be necessary for a group of mostly adults talking about our common intrests. I am heartened, however, by the number of people who have been PM'ing me and the mods on this very subject. There's hope yet.

[jordanneff]

I disagree. While I probably share similar thoughts about NHT as a lot of people on the forums I really don't think the 'out of sight out of mind' is the best way to go about it. I think we should be open about our opinion of not using hookahs for NHT use.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole reason of not talking about illegal substances is so that 1) the forum won't come up on google searches for that kinda stuff, and 2) so we don't help push along the ignorant misconception of what hookahs are used for nowdays. So as long as we don't refer to the substances as their actual or slang terms (ie: keep using the term NHT) then we have no worry for #1, and the more we talk about how we look down on those giving hookahs a bad name by using them for NHT use then it can only help #2.

Let's face it, the "lets just not ever talk about it" approach is something bad parents do, and then their kids end up doing bad shit. If we want to be a good community, we have to do a good thing and keep our opinions known, and maybe instead of a ban for someone breaking the rules, just have a bunch of people telling them why we have the rules in place along with a good edit of their original post.

EDIT: Oh and to mush, you know as well as I do that a good portion of controversy about NHT topics on here have been about NHT that IS legal in the US... you know what I'm talking about Edited April 17, 2008 by jordanneff

[Canon]

I disagree. While I probably share similar thoughts about NHT as a lot of people on the forums I really don't think the 'out of sight out of mind' is the best way to go about it. I think we should be open about our opinion of not using hookahs for NHT use.

we are open about it, its just something we dont really talk about because we dont do it. kinda like soex or afzal

Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole reason of not talking about illegal substances is so that 1) the forum won't come up on google searches for that kinda stuff, and 2) so we don't help push along the ignorant misconception of what hookahs are used for nowdays. So as long as we don't refer to the substances as their actual or slang terms (ie: keep using the term NHT) then we have no worry for #1, and the more we talk about how we look down on those giving hookahs a bad name by using them for NHT use then it can only help #2.

once again, we dont do it, some of us have never used NHT (including me) so we have no experience with it. and there are those threads out there when someone does confuse hookah with NHT, if you want to post about your experience then go ahead, ive done it and a number of other members have aswell. its not against the rules to post about how you were chilling and someone thought you were using NHT and you told them you werent.

Let's face it, the "lets just not ever talk about it" approach is something bad parents do, and then their kids end up doing bad shit. If we want to be a good community, we have to do a good thing and keep our opinions known, and maybe instead of a ban for someone breaking the rules, just have a bunch of people telling them why we have the rules in place along with a good edit of their original post.

we arent kids here. you have to be 18+ to be a member of the forums, and as far as breaking the rules, ive changed the post several times and PMed the member. theres alot of not banning that goes on, or banning till people read the rules. if someone wants to know why we have a rule then they can ask. but first you have to read the rules.

EDIT: Oh and to mush, you know as well as I do that a good portion of controversy about NHT topics on here have been about NHT that IS legal in the US... you know what I'm talking about

that NHT is illegal for military and in several states. also it has a bad rap about it. personally ive seen more posts about NHT thats illegal in the US then NHT illegal in a few states

[mushrat]

Seems people aren't actually paying attention to what the rules say, they are merely posting what they think, even when what they think is what the rules actually say in the first place.

The vacations are now starting for casual refrences to NHT. If you are discussing problems and misconceptions, fine, If you are asking about soemthing that looks like objects used for NHT, it's going to end badly.

[Johnny_D]

And if you have any queries as to weather you should post or not - PM A MODERATOR! [Mushrat has enough on his plate]

If I say it's ok and it's not I'll face the vacation, With aplomb.

JD

[mushrat]

And if you have any queries as to weather you should post or not - PM A MODERATOR! [Mushrat has enough on his plate]

If I say it's ok and it's not I'll face the vacation, With aplomb.

JD

Better not let the wife hear you'll be taking a vacation with soemone named aplomb...she might not take it well

[mushrat]

here is the last word on the subject...

As jd said, if you aren't sure, ASK.

http://www.hookahforum.com/index.php?showtopic=20548

Let the ninja Tank hammer Humping begin!