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So I found a place in town that sells Pharoah's 250g at $12. So I bought some Sex on the Beach... I've been smoking it for about 35 minutes and I have an unbelieveable buzz... I mean the type that you don't wanna move because you're afraid to stand..
HAs anyone else experienced this when they smoked Pharoah's?
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QUOTE (Tikhman @ Apr 12 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love pharaoh's. Really one of my favorite brands. Always get a good buzz from them, though never enough to make me not want to move.


I think the buzz factor is because I had an empty stomach...lol Not that I'm complaining...
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I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani
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QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani

i just wanna make sure there are no typos, do you really mean 5 PERCENT or POINT 5, cuz if taht is 5 percent Im going right now to get some caramel apple I think it was i saw in a local store.
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Never had Pharaoh's to my knowledge. I don't usually get buzzed, but the last good one I had was off Romman Sweet melon oddly enough.
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QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani

i just wanna make sure there are no typos, do you really mean 5 PERCENT or POINT 5, cuz if taht is 5 percent Im going right now to get some caramel apple I think it was i saw in a local store.


Point 5 and 5 are the same thing - just different ways of writing it from what all my shops tell me. Which adds to the confusion since tobacco despite being a "problem product" to the federal government does not have a consistent standard for displaying contents. They're mixing the decimal system to percentage system and it's hard to obviously tell what's what. Pharoahs is 5%.... So is Fantasia. Old style Fusion is 3% as is Tangiers. .05% (most washed) is actually 1/2 of 1%. Again, that's how it's been explained to me. To get the absolute authority on the subject I suggest we ask Eric. As a producer, he's required to know these things.

'Rani
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QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Steemax @ Apr 12 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani

i just wanna make sure there are no typos, do you really mean 5 PERCENT or POINT 5, cuz if taht is 5 percent Im going right now to get some caramel apple I think it was i saw in a local store.


Point 5 and 5 are the same thing - just different ways of writing it from what all my shops tell me. Which adds to the confusion since tobacco despite being a "problem product" to the federal government does not have a consistent standard for displaying contents. They're mixing the decimal system to percentage system and it's hard to obviously tell what's what. Pharoahs is 5%.... So is Fantasia. Old style Fusion is 3% as is Tangiers. .05% (most washed) is actually 1/2 of 1%. Again, that's how it's been explained to me. To get the absolute authority on the subject I suggest we ask Eric. As a producer, he's required to know these things.

'Rani


That makes absolutely no sense. Decimal and percentage systems are two completely different things. If you're measuring how much nicotine there is, you have to use the "percentage system" because it shows you the relation of one thing to the whole.
Then there is "percent" vs "per mille". The first one is 1/100, while the second one is measured in 1/1000.
So, it is 0.5% (percent, that is half of 1/100) which is the same thing as 5‰, but nobody bothers to find the per mille character so they use the percent and then people think that their shisha has 5% which would be a poisonous amount of the substance.
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QUOTE (erufiku @ Apr 13 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Steemax @ Apr 12 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani

i just wanna make sure there are no typos, do you really mean 5 PERCENT or POINT 5, cuz if taht is 5 percent Im going right now to get some caramel apple I think it was i saw in a local store.


Point 5 and 5 are the same thing - just different ways of writing it from what all my shops tell me. Which adds to the confusion since tobacco despite being a "problem product" to the federal government does not have a consistent standard for displaying contents. They're mixing the decimal system to percentage system and it's hard to obviously tell what's what. Pharoahs is 5%.... So is Fantasia. Old style Fusion is 3% as is Tangiers. .05% (most washed) is actually 1/2 of 1%. Again, that's how it's been explained to me. To get the absolute authority on the subject I suggest we ask Eric. As a producer, he's required to know these things.

'Rani


That makes absolutely no sense. Decimal and percentage systems are two completely different things. If you're measuring how much nicotine there is, you have to use the "percentage system" because it shows you the relation of one thing to the whole.
Then there is "percent" vs "per mille". The first one is 1/100, while the second one is measured in 1/1000.
So, it is 0.5% (percent, that is half of 1/100) which is the same thing as 5‰, but nobody bothers to find the per mille character so they use the percent and then people think that their shisha has 5% which would be a poisonous amount of the substance.


yeah i was just gonna say the same thing...
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QUOTE (erufiku @ Apr 13 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Steemax @ Apr 12 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani

i just wanna make sure there are no typos, do you really mean 5 PERCENT or POINT 5, cuz if taht is 5 percent Im going right now to get some caramel apple I think it was i saw in a local store.


Point 5 and 5 are the same thing - just different ways of writing it from what all my shops tell me. Which adds to the confusion since tobacco despite being a "problem product" to the federal government does not have a consistent standard for displaying contents. They're mixing the decimal system to percentage system and it's hard to obviously tell what's what. Pharoahs is 5%.... So is Fantasia. Old style Fusion is 3% as is Tangiers. .05% (most washed) is actually 1/2 of 1%. Again, that's how it's been explained to me. To get the absolute authority on the subject I suggest we ask Eric. As a producer, he's required to know these things.

'Rani


That makes absolutely no sense. Decimal and percentage systems are two completely different things. If you're measuring how much nicotine there is, you have to use the "percentage system" because it shows you the relation of one thing to the whole.
Then there is "percent" vs "per mille". The first one is 1/100, while the second one is measured in 1/1000.
So, it is 0.5% (percent, that is half of 1/100) which is the same thing as 5‰, but nobody bothers to find the per mille character so they use the percent and then people think that their shisha has 5% which would be a poisonous amount of the substance.


As I said - read above - according to what I've been told and let's ask an expert. I buy what you say because that makes sense to me - however, not being a doctor I have no idea how much nicotine would be poisonous - so again I repeat - let's ask an expert..... And I'm sitting here looking at a old Pharohs jar of peach that seems to have lost the decimal point. It says 5%. Not point 5. 5. Misprint, maybe, language issues since it's made in the middle east, quite likely..... Confusion in labeling? Definitely.

Eric you still around? 'Splain por favor...... 'Cuz I've admitted all along I'm far from the expert on the subject and would like to hear from someone who's actually a producer and knows the rules.

'Rani
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QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (erufiku @ Apr 13 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Steemax @ Apr 12 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani

i just wanna make sure there are no typos, do you really mean 5 PERCENT or POINT 5, cuz if taht is 5 percent Im going right now to get some caramel apple I think it was i saw in a local store.


Point 5 and 5 are the same thing - just different ways of writing it from what all my shops tell me. Which adds to the confusion since tobacco despite being a "problem product" to the federal government does not have a consistent standard for displaying contents. They're mixing the decimal system to percentage system and it's hard to obviously tell what's what. Pharoahs is 5%.... So is Fantasia. Old style Fusion is 3% as is Tangiers. .05% (most washed) is actually 1/2 of 1%. Again, that's how it's been explained to me. To get the absolute authority on the subject I suggest we ask Eric. As a producer, he's required to know these things.

'Rani


That makes absolutely no sense. Decimal and percentage systems are two completely different things. If you're measuring how much nicotine there is, you have to use the "percentage system" because it shows you the relation of one thing to the whole.
Then there is "percent" vs "per mille". The first one is 1/100, while the second one is measured in 1/1000.
So, it is 0.5% (percent, that is half of 1/100) which is the same thing as 5‰, but nobody bothers to find the per mille character so they use the percent and then people think that their shisha has 5% which would be a poisonous amount of the substance.


As I said - read above - according to what I've been told and let's ask an expert. I buy what you say because that makes sense to me - however, not being a doctor I have no idea how much nicotine would be poisonous - so again I repeat - let's ask an expert..... And I'm sitting here looking at a old Pharohs jar of peach that seems to have lost the decimal point. It says 5%. Not point 5. 5. Misprint, maybe, language issues since it's made in the middle east, quite likely..... Confusion in labeling? Definitely.

Eric you still around? 'Splain por favor...... 'Cuz I've admitted all along I'm far from the expert on the subject and would like to hear from someone who's actually a producer and knows the rules.

'Rani


must be a misprint because my all my jars have 0.5% on it. and 5% of nicotine would probably make you sick.
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QUOTE (shisha fan @ Apr 13 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (erufiku @ Apr 13 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Steemax @ Apr 12 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 12 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not a Pharoah's fan although it was the first tobacco I bought since it was readily available up the street from me. Yeah, the buzz can be intense because it's a full 5% nicotine, but honestly so many brands are so much better in flavor and I don't smoke for buzz though God knows the way my work is going these days I could use one! Of unwashed tobacco my favorite brands are Fusion (old style - the new tins are washed), and what else...... Tangiers! But even those I smoke for flavor - not buzz.

'Rani

i just wanna make sure there are no typos, do you really mean 5 PERCENT or POINT 5, cuz if taht is 5 percent Im going right now to get some caramel apple I think it was i saw in a local store.


Point 5 and 5 are the same thing - just different ways of writing it from what all my shops tell me. Which adds to the confusion since tobacco despite being a "problem product" to the federal government does not have a consistent standard for displaying contents. They're mixing the decimal system to percentage system and it's hard to obviously tell what's what. Pharoahs is 5%.... So is Fantasia. Old style Fusion is 3% as is Tangiers. .05% (most washed) is actually 1/2 of 1%. Again, that's how it's been explained to me. To get the absolute authority on the subject I suggest we ask Eric. As a producer, he's required to know these things.

'Rani


That makes absolutely no sense. Decimal and percentage systems are two completely different things. If you're measuring how much nicotine there is, you have to use the "percentage system" because it shows you the relation of one thing to the whole.
Then there is "percent" vs "per mille". The first one is 1/100, while the second one is measured in 1/1000.
So, it is 0.5% (percent, that is half of 1/100) which is the same thing as 5‰, but nobody bothers to find the per mille character so they use the percent and then people think that their shisha has 5% which would be a poisonous amount of the substance.


As I said - read above - according to what I've been told and let's ask an expert. I buy what you say because that makes sense to me - however, not being a doctor I have no idea how much nicotine would be poisonous - so again I repeat - let's ask an expert..... And I'm sitting here looking at a old Pharohs jar of peach that seems to have lost the decimal point. It says 5%. Not point 5. 5. Misprint, maybe, language issues since it's made in the middle east, quite likely..... Confusion in labeling? Definitely.

Eric you still around? 'Splain por favor...... 'Cuz I've admitted all along I'm far from the expert on the subject and would like to hear from someone who's actually a producer and knows the rules.

'Rani


must be a misprint because my all my jars have 0.5% on it. and 5% of nicotine would probably make you sick.



It's an pretty old jar. And none of the writing is in English. Not even the ingredients. So I'm assuming language barrier. But again, my issue is what's really what. In the decimal world 1.0 is equal to 100%. .5 is 1/2 or 50%, etc. And I know damn well that it sure ain't 50% nicotine...... Hence why I was asking for Eric to wade in since he's actually a licensed producer and can explain the labeling.

'Rani
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QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
however, not being a doctor I have no idea how much nicotine would be poisonous - so again I repeat - let's ask an expert.....

My wife (who is a M.D. versuses my Ph.d) says that 5% nicotine won't kill you. She pointed me to the Columbia Encyclopedia.

From the Columbia Encyclopedia:
The amount of nicotine in tobacco leaves ranges from approximately 2% to 7%. In concentrated form, it is used as an insecticide. Nicotine, which mimics the affects of acetylcholine, acts primarily on the autonomic nervous system. In a dose of less than 50 mg, it can cause respiratory failure and general paralysis. Smaller toxic doses can cause heart palpitations, lowered blood pressure, nausea, and dizziness. A person who smokes inhales approximately 3 mg from one cigarette. This amount increases the heart rate, constricts the blood vessels, and acts on the central nervous system, imparting a feeling of alertness and well-being. Although not considered carcinogenic, nicotine probably contributes to the increased incidence of heart disease seen in smokers and may enhance the growth of tumors caused by carcinogens.

However, she admits to not being an expert in the field of smoking or nicotine...
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QUOTE (shisha fan @ Apr 13 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but it says 0.5 percent which means 1/200.


I will respectfully debate that actually .5 isn't 1/200 automatically. I work with decimals all day long in a plumbing company dealing with plans. And spent 7 years on the boards as a drafter. Your sewer and storm drain are on a 2% incline for gravity drainage. 1% is sometimes allowable depending on the governing agency but that's a side issue. Roads and lots drain at 1%. Or 1 foot for every 100 feet. How do we write it on the plans? Either "2%" or ".02" Never .2%. So my question becomes does that change when you're dealing with a consumable (food)? I'm not trying to insist on being the mistress of the right answer, but I would like to know what's what for certain.

'Rani

Hey how about a mathematician wading in on this one? 'Splain pretty please, because I'm actually trying to understand it and why the different brands use different momenclature to define it.
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QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Apr 13 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (shisha fan @ Apr 13 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but it says 0.5 percent which means 1/200.


I will respectfully debate that actually .5 isn't 1/200 automatically. I work with decimals all day long in a plumbing company dealing with plans. And spent 7 years on the boards as a drafter. Your sewer and storm drain are on a 2% incline for gravity drainage. 1% is sometimes allowable depending on the governing agency but that's a side issue. Roads and lots drain at 1%. Or 1 foot for every 100 feet. How do we write it on the plans? Either "2%" or ".02" Never .02%. So my question becomes does that change when you're dealing with a consumable (food)? I'm not trying to insist on being the mistress of the right answer, but I would like to know what's what for certain.

'Rani

Hey how about a mathematician wading in on this one? 'Splain pretty please, because I'm actually trying to understand it and why the different brands use different momenclature to define it.


maybe you`re right, you certainly seem to know alot about decimals, i`ll give you that.
but 1/200 still looks more realistic to me. i think this has been debated before and i`ll try to find that particular topic.
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I have been very unimpressed by this stuff. I bought four cans, Extreme Strawberry, Mint, Tripple Apple, and Sex on the Beach. None of these tasted like the names. I found the tastes to be overbearing and the buzz to be minimal. If that isn't enough, they like quintuple wrap the stuff because they have so much syrup on it that it leaks everywhere and gets all over you. Your water may ever slightly change colors. Compared to other brands, it looks kind of disgusting. The packages come with very loosely packed blocks that will only last you 4 or 5 bowls. This shisha does burn really well and evenly. When it is done, it is a black mass of pure burntness.

Trip. App. - This stuff tastes like Black Licorice, which can be good or bad. I like black licorice, but my friend got a big surprise because he hates it. The buzz is pretty weak, but the flavor is strong and last a while. The smoke is about medium thick.

Ex. Straw. - Really, really, strong flavor. It is kinda unpleasant too. The buzz is decent and the smoke is medium thick. It tastes like a really really fake strawberry gum. Wouldn't reccommend.

Sex on the Beach - Weak flavor, weak buzz. Smoke this if you are desperate.

Mint - Tastes like a candy cane, not true mint. This flavor is so powerful it will burn your throat if you don't put the hose in at an angle. Ridiculously strong. Your mouth will be freezing when you breathe normal air. The buzz is kinda weak, but the taste is decent, so this is more for the flavor.

I have had other brands and this stuff hits really weak compared. My head gets a tad light, whereas other brands have had me barely able to walk straight and shivering. These tastes are somewhat overbearing and unpleasant and most of all, the cost isn't that great.
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