Ben Stein Movie

[r1v3th3ad]

http://www.getexpelled.com/

so, my gf showed me this preview for a movie coming out before summer...
got my gears moving in my brain

watch
discuss...

[Stuie]

I just have one thing to say...."Thank you, Ben Stein. You are much needed and appreciated."

[AKammenzind]

Yeah, I've watched some previews, and read into it a bit the last couple days... still dunno what to think. You hear more or less the same story from both sides, both are bitching about the other automatically discounting their opinions.

Wouldn't be a problem, except that the education system is involved and people want to control what their children are taught so that they believe the same as their parents... I intend to homeschool my kids (when I have some), and teach them all sides of the story so that they can make their own choices. It's really a complete non-issue to me.

[gaia.plateau]

Are the theories he's championing anything more than speculation? Because that's the impression I got

[Bushbr]

IMHO looks like a gay flick

[Texico]

Are the theories he's championing anything more than speculation? Because that's the impression I got

I also got the impression that he's saying that the theory of evolution is also speculation. And the theory is, by its nomenclature, speculation.

I'm going to watch it. I love witnessing people argue over matters of trivial importance. I also like Ben Stein. He's funny.

--Edit--

I completely forgot to add that I watched the four trailers/previews/videos, and I almost didn't make it through the interview with Bill O'Reilly. I just wanted to punch Bill in the face. Edited April 17, 2008 by Texico

[gaia.plateau]

I don't think he refutes that there is evidence for the theory of evolution.

At any rate, you know that someone is cracked when they agree with O'Reilly. Edited April 17, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[jordanneff]

Watched the trailers, looked pretty stupid.

Just another classic case of people trying to turn the tables around to make them look like the victim.
I'm sorry but the amount of people in the US who classify themselves as non-religious is only 14%, so I really don't see how any of the larger religions have a right to complain about darwins theory being taught in school. It's a scientific theory based on scientific observation, so why the hell should it be denied? However in the film it looks that 'scientists' are saying otherwise and talking about a higher intelligence creating life, but with what scientific basis? None that I could see from the trailer so I dont see why they should be in science textbooks if what they have to say doesn't really relate to science.

As for the whole people losing their careers and web sites getting shut down - thats just ridiculous. You can make a web site in 5 minutes, if their web site gets shut down then maybe they should stop playing victim and just go put a new one up. And as for losing their career - well if you study science and then make a 'scientific hypothesis' not rooted in science and expect people to respect you as a scientist - then yeah, people will probably think you're a nut and you probably will lose your job and reputation.... big surprise there.

This movie seems to be a big bucket of hogwash with subtle hints of propaganda spread throughout. When this movie comes out you can bet your ass I'll be sitting at home watching Grandma's Boy on dvd. Edited April 17, 2008 by jordanneff

[Bulldog_916]

This movie seems to be a big bucket of hogwash with subtle hints of propaganda spread throughout.

Like a Fox News Special!

[r1v3th3ad]

I just thought that this looks like a good watch...could be a good laugh, could be something to ponder off of, I don't know. It caught my eye and I went "durrrr" just at the thought of science and religion agreeing

I'll be watching it

[jordanneff]

This movie seems to be a big bucket of hogwash with subtle hints of propaganda spread throughout.

Like a Fox News Special!

hahaha precisely!

[ZenSilk]

Unless it's a movie involving Clear Eyes, I don't want to see it.

[oolatec]

Definitely not one of his more defining moments.

[Bulldog_916]

Unless it's a movie involving Clear Eyes, I don't want to see it.

Woooow....

[Stuie]

I saw the movie yesterday. It was actually an interesting movie!

To sum up

Evolution is a theory not a fact, it can never be proven.

Intelligent Design is a theory not a fact, it can also never be proven.

Intelligent Design does not equal God or Religion, more along the lines of Mission to Mars.

I better understand ID and Evolution, both a bit better now.

Thought it was interesting about how many experts on evolution seem to believe in evolution so strongly, more strongly than most people of faith. Some are so close minded to the possibility to another idea, it's astonishing!

As far as can tell the fact's and the people cited are accurate. If you want to know and understand Darwinism/Evolution and Intelligent Design Better, it's good watch.

Best thing I learned from this movie...Close Mindedness makes you stupid...doesn't matter on what, the moment you close your mind to possibilities, whether it's that life started by random chance or that some intelligence was used to form life on earth, your mind will become stagnant.

Take it bake the best thing I learned....I need to take Biology again!

[r1v3th3ad]

Unless it's a movie involving Clear Eyes, I don't want to see it.

That sounds like it would be a ghey movie, but hey man, whatever floats your boat


Well, after what Stuie said, I def. wanna give this movie a shot...maybe I can talk the off and on gf into taking me, I'm broke

[jordanneff]

I saw the movie yesterday. It was actually an interesting movie!

To sum up

Evolution is a theory not a fact, it can never be proven.

Intelligent Design is a theory not a fact, it can also never be proven.

Intelligent Design does not equal God or Religion, more along the lines of Mission to Mars.

I better understand ID and Evolution, both a bit better now.

Thought it was interesting about how many experts on evolution seem to believe in evolution so strongly, more strongly than most people of faith. Some are so close minded to the possibility to another idea, it's astonishing!

As far as can tell the fact's and the people cited are accurate. If you want to know and understand Darwinism/Evolution and Intelligent Design Better, it's good watch.

Best thing I learned from this movie...Close Mindedness makes you stupid...doesn't matter on what, the moment you close your mind to possibilities, whether it's that life started by random chance or that some intelligence was used to form life on earth, your mind will become stagnant.

Take it bake the best thing I learned....I need to take Biology again!

While I do agree that evolution is a theory that can't be proven, and that intelligent design is also a theory that cannot be proven, the whole point of the debate is that evolution is a theory that is scientific based and intelligent designs theory is not.

[Stuie]

While I do agree that evolution is a theory that can't be proven, and that intelligent design is also a theory that cannot be proven, the whole point of the debate is that evolution is a theory that is scientific based and intelligent designs theory is not.

The debate is how it started...random or design... both have absolutely no scientific basis or fact. ID says somethig designed it because the probability of it starting by chance is less likely than the probibility of a higher life form that designed it. Evolutionists keep changing theories on how it could of started. Evolutionist don't want to accept that possibility while ID scientists entertain the thought that it all started on the backs of crystals. ID scientists say we think this Design of life on earth is the theory we are sticking with, while their peers will not consider it. Even the whole primoridial soup thing that darwinists disproved themselves.

It's a stand off debate between close minded scientist and open minded scientists. I get the feel from watching the movie that if Moltor from Centari 3 came to Earth and said hey my science project worked out great...Darwinist might kill him so they couldn't be proven wrong...well darwinists in America....Notice the debate is only in the US... countries like Poland, Germany, and Japan entertain all THEORIES as possible. Edited April 21, 2008 by Stuie

[Stuie]

I am gonna get out of this discussion before it turns ugly. Watch the movie or don't. Believe what you want, but be open to opposing ideas. Laters.

[heebo]

I have no problem with intelligent design as long as it allows for continued scientific discourse. I thought Ben Stein was better in the Wonder Years though.

[melanko]

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[jamesh2]

this movie is a joke
the people that were being interviewed were lied to about what the documentary was for
there are many problems with copyright infringement that are coming out about this film
the guy that claims he lost his job appears to be a lie, the company doesnt even have any record of him losing his job because of it
speaches were staged
ah hell go read it for your self on the sciam website
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-th...know&sc=rss
the problem i have with this film is that its no different thanm michael moore politics. watching sombodys opinion unfold isnt a documentary, its propaganda.

[Scoop]

this movie is a joke
the people that were being interviewed were lied to about what the documentary was for
there are many problems with copyright infringement that are coming out about this film
the guy that claims he lost his job appears to be a lie, the company doesnt even have any record of him losing his job because of it
speaches were staged
ah hell go read it for your self on the sciam website
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-th...know&sc=rss
the problem i have with this film is that its no different thanm michael moore politics. watching sombodys opinion unfold isnt a documentary, its propaganda.

lol wow. owned.

[r1v3th3ad]

hey guys, I'm handing the keyboard over to my gf on this...I have no idea what she is about to say, but here she goes:

I know most of this argument is none of my business. I don't know any of you. But I thought perhaps you would like the opinion of someone who is a devout Christian, and has been their entire lives. My faith has never been in question.

There are many arguments to disprove the idea that God created earth, and all who inhabit it. I've been faced with them on a regular basis. You can't live in a world like ours, with science, facts, proofs and disproofs without facing these arguments. I'm not gonna preach to you, it's not my place to do so. However, I will say that there are many, many, many Christians in professional positions. Scientists, teachers, government officials, etc. These people's faith stands strong in the face of adveserial forces. However, the fact of the matter is, you can't prove or disprove the existence of God, and any Christian who tells you they can, needs to read their Bible one more time. It's the entire basis of Christianity that our belief is faith. Nothing more, nothing less. If there were evidence to prove beyond a shadow of doubt, we would no longer have faith, we would have proof.
Back to the movie, the fact is, you can hate it, love it, or not really care, but we as Americans have a right to say what we think, and what we believe. Or so we are told by our oh so loyal government. (That's sarcasm, in case you can't tell). We are not allowed to express our beliefs without being censored. Wether it be by government, employees, or just society in general. With all of the problems this nation faces, that we as people face, would it kill us to be able to speak about God?? I mean, Really? We are allowed to make films showing some very, very vulgar things. We ignore occcurences of human cruelty and brutality on a daily basis. We are allowed to speak our minds about money, sexuality, abuse of our women and children... the list goes on and on. But the first time someone says God, or anything related to our faiths, we become sterotyped as religious nuts, and are accused of infringing on the rights of those of different faiths, or without faith at all. We are not allowed to state our beliefs or express them in schools, or public places without severe repurcussions.
So, my main point is this. We can say what we believe and what we feel as Christians, Jews, Muslims, or any other faith that we may have. We have the right as individuals, as Americans, and as people. Disagree all you like, but do not treat us differently just because we are different than you. No one has the right answer, no one knows the truths of the universe, but we all have a right to have our theories and beliefs. And even if this movie is a little biased, and maybe not perfect in its ideas, we have a right to make it, we have a right to watch it. There were many movie theaters who refused to play this film, at the risk of offending people. Why? We can flip the bird to people, we can cuss and swear all we all like at people because we have freedom of speech, but we cannot question authority? We can't question science? We can't question the goverment and education systems? Yes, we can. And I for one will every chance I get, and so should you.

[DISCLAIMER] I would like to state, none of these beliefs are r1v3th3ad's. They are solely mine. I had no intention of offending anyone, or stepping on any toes, I just thought perhaps I could add to this discussion in a way that might encourage some of you to think outside the box. I have no qualms about anyone disagreeing with me, or labeling me, or thinking poorly of me because of it. But this had nothing to do with him, so please remember that as you continue to post and reply.

[jamesh2]

hey guys, I'm handing the keyboard over to my gf on this...I have no idea what she is about to say, but here she goes:

I know most of this argument is none of my business. I don't know any of you. But I thought perhaps you would like the opinion of someone who is a devout Christian, and has been their entire lives. My faith has never been in question.

There are many arguments to disprove the idea that God created earth, and all who inhabit it. I've been faced with them on a regular basis. You can't live in a world like ours, with science, facts, proofs and disproofs without facing these arguments. I'm not gonna preach to you, it's not my place to do so. However, I will say that there are many, many, many Christians in professional positions. Scientists, teachers, government officials, etc. These people's faith stands strong in the face of adveserial forces. However, the fact of the matter is, you can't prove or disprove the existence of God, and any Christian who tells you they can, needs to read their Bible one more time. It's the entire basis of Christianity that our belief is faith. Nothing more, nothing less. If there were evidence to prove beyond a shadow of doubt, we would no longer have faith, we would have proof.
Back to the movie, the fact is, you can hate it, love it, or not really care, but we as Americans have a right to say what we think, and what we believe. Or so we are told by our oh so loyal government. (That's sarcasm, in case you can't tell). We are not allowed to express our beliefs without being censored. Wether it be by government, employees, or just society in general. With all of the problems this nation faces, that we as people face, would it kill us to be able to speak about God?? I mean, Really? We are allowed to make films showing some very, very vulgar things. We ignore occcurences of human cruelty and brutality on a daily basis. We are allowed to speak our minds about money, sexuality, abuse of our women and children... the list goes on and on. But the first time someone says God, or anything related to our faiths, we become sterotyped as religious nuts, and are accused of infringing on the rights of those of different faiths, or without faith at all. We are not allowed to state our beliefs or express them in schools, or public places without severe repurcussions.
So, my main point is this. We can say what we believe and what we feel as Christians, Jews, Muslims, or any other faith that we may have. We have the right as individuals, as Americans, and as people. Disagree all you like, but do not treat us differently just because we are different than you. No one has the right answer, no one knows the truths of the universe, but we all have a right to have our theories and beliefs. And even if this movie is a little biased, and maybe not perfect in its ideas, we have a right to make it, we have a right to watch it. There were many movie theaters who refused to play this film, at the risk of offending people. Why? We can flip the bird to people, we can cuss and swear all we all like at people because we have freedom of speech, but we cannot question authority? We can't question science? We can't question the goverment and education systems? Yes, we can. And I for one will every chance I get, and so should you.

[DISCLAIMER] I would like to state, none of these beliefs are r1v3th3ad's. They are solely mine. I had no intention of offending anyone, or stepping on any toes, I just thought perhaps I could add to this discussion in a way that might encourage some of you to think outside the box. I have no qualms about anyone disagreeing with me, or labeling me, or thinking poorly of me because of it. But this had nothing to do with him, so please remember that as you continue to post and reply.

ok im sorry but i feel that in a country that only about 14 percent of the country doesnt consider its self affiliated with a religious organization, its hard to see Christians as the minority. God is placed in front of my face every day, be it on the cash i spend at the gas station, the baseball game i go to, or apparently Florida where they are considering religious license plates. you live in a society that walks around on egg shells for your religion so that you feel as though it is the predominate faith (which it is). im a firm believer that god should play no part in the running of this country, those of you that tell me that "this country was founded on religion" are not getting what it was about. we came here for the freedom to worship the god of our choice, not the god that was shoved in our face by the king. i feel sorry for the kids of eastern religions in schools now that have to sit there and feel as though they are an outsider in a country that hardly recognizes their religion. so please i respect your opinion, but christians are hardly the outsider. not when almost every member of congress, every president we have ever had, and people on the supreme court are those that share your opinions. evolution and religion are hardly two separate arguments, in fact the two often can coexist. i hate to borrow a line from south park but... cant it be the answer to how and not why? i wrestle with my own religious beliefs quite often, but find my self thinking one thing consistently. if evolution is real, it makes me feel more apt to believe in a god. the chances of that happening are astonishing. our body is perfectly symmetrical, the way the planets lie in the solar system, all these things are beautiful and astonishing, but had to have a movement. nobody says be stein cant make a movie, but it should be based on facts. he pulls the wool over the public with bogus speeches and false stories of workers being given a pink slip over something that many of their coworkers believe also, just in a different way. why does mr stein make up bogus stories? why did he int the middle of a tanking carreer decide to make a movie with such comical quips and lies.... the almighty dollar. in god we trust indeed. Edited April 26, 2008 by jamesh2