Del Tore Directing The Hobbit, And Messing With It

[iron molly black]

OK, so del Toro is going to direct, which I think is a good thing. I don't HATE Jackson's trilogy, it could have been worse. The news that The Hobbit was going to be two movies, I thought, was a good thing. The news that the SECOND movie covers "60-year period between “The Hobbit” and “The Fellowship of the Ring,” the first of the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy" is distressing. I see much potential for all kinds of nonsense, since Tolkien didn't write much about that period of time. *sigh* Yeah, there's backstory, but I'm very afraid of what the heck there going to do with it. Yup, I'm a Tolkien purist, and I'm gnashing my teeth over it already. End rant. For now.

Article here: http://www.variety.com/VR1117984595.html

[Snoopy1966]

I loved the books and I liked the movies, even though the mess with it, Hollywood...Sheesh.
I read them many times over. Do you remember the series by Eric Van Lustbader called the Sunset Warrior collection?

[iron molly black]

I loved the books and I liked the movies, even though the mess with it, Hollywood...Sheesh.
I read them many times over. Do you remember the series by Eric Van Lustbader called the Sunset Warrior collection?

Haven't read that one, but have many, many other fantasy series, and have any and all Tolkien, all editions, including the 40 disk, unabridged audio CD of LOTR (um, and the Sil, The Hobbit).

Right now I'm re-reading all my Neil Gaiman. I really like his stuff. Need to pick up some of his short story collections, I don't have those yet.

[iamscott06]

LOOOOOVE the books!!!

Didnt care so much for the movies..

You guys ever read The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan? Its like an 11 book set, im on book 6 and so far its pretty damn good Def worth a check out.

[Snoopy1966]

I just googled that book series Scott. Sound really cool. I will have to check it out

In the beginning, the Creator made the Wheel of Time, which spins the Pattern of the Ages using the lives of men and women as its threads. The Wheel has seven spokes, each representing an age, and it is rotated by the True Source from which the One Power, a source of energy, is drawn. The One Power is divided into male and female halves, saidin and saidar, which work in opposition and in unison to drive the Wheel; those who can use this power are known as channelers. One organization of such channelers is The White Tower, made up of agents called Aes Sedai, a name meaning "Servants of All" in the Old Tongue.

The Creator imprisoned Shai'tan, known as the Dark One, a powerful, evil being, at the moment of creation, sealing him away from the Wheel. However, in a time called the Age of Legends the Dark One was given purchase in the world through the machinations of people who opened his prison, and began his efforts to conquer the world, creation, and even the Wheel itself. In response to this, the Wheel spun out the Dragon, a channeler of immense power, to be a champion for the Light. Due to the cyclical nature of the Wheel, there has been no definitive victory for the forces of the Light; the war has been fought innumerable times since the dawn of Creation. The Dragon would defeat Shai'tan and seal him from the Wheel, only to have him come close to breaking out (or being released) several millennia later, forcing the Dragon to be reborn and repeat the entire process.

Jordan's novels concern themselves with one particular incarnation of the Dragon. About 3000 years have passed since the last war between Shadow and Light. This war ended when the Dragon, then born as Lews Therin Telamon, led a daring raid to Shayol Ghul and sealed the breach in the Dark One's prison with the help of a group of other male channelers known as the Hundred Companions (female channelers, due to recent gender politics and the extreme risk of the strike, refused to assist). Though Lews Therin succeeded, the Dark One managed to spread a taint on saidin itself, bringing madness and a wasting sickness to any who channeled it. The taint quickly overcame nearly every male channeler in the world, including Lews Therin and his companions, with catastrophic results that radically changed the face of the earth. From then onwards, Lews Therin was also called the "Kinslayer", as one of the last results of his madness was to destroy everyone who carried his blood as well as everyone he loved.

For these reasons, the return of the Dragon is a cause for both hope and fear amongst the populace. On the one hand, the Dragon Reborn is the only person capable of defeating Shai'tan, who will inevitably begin to escape his prison. On the other, the Dragon Reborn will still be prey to the madness caused by the taint of evil in saidin, and is a harbinger of the horrifying fact that Shai'tan is once more breaking free. The only man who can save the world is also the man most likely to destroy it. He must not only work to unite the civilized world against the Dark One, but struggle to stay alive—for, while prophecy indicates he will be reborn, it says nothing as to whether he will succeed...

[iamscott06]

Def check it out, it took me a while to actually get into the book but now that im in, im trapped reading it!! The books are huge and the paperbacks are actually pretty cheap, I have to get to the book store and pick up book 7, only have a couple more pages left on 6

[iron molly black]

Def check it out, it took me a while to actually get into the book but now that im in, im trapped reading it!! The books are huge and the paperbacks are actually pretty cheap, I have to get to the book store and pick up book 7, only have a couple more pages left on 6

Jordan died while writing the last book in the series, apparently another author is finishing it? I started the series but haven't finished it as of yet...

[Johnny_D]

I'm more of a "4 Elephants Standing on top of the Giant Space Turtle A'Tuin' kinda guy

[gaia.plateau]

I think it would have been far, far better with Sam Raimi. The Hobbit is supposed to be silly, tongue-in-cheek, and personally enriching. Knowing Del Toro we're probably going to see Dwarves with superpowers or tentacles or something

If he gives Gandalf anything more powerful than a stick with a little light at the end, I'm going to hunt him down and torture him to death with salmons.

[iron molly black]

I think it would have been far, far better with Sam Raimi. The Hobbit is supposed to be silly, tongue-in-cheek, and personally enriching. Knowing Del Toro we're probably going to see Dwarves with superpowers or tentacles or something

If he gives Gandalf anything more powerful than a stick with a little light at the end, I'm going to hunt him down and torture him to death with salmons.

Well, I really liked what del Toro did with Pan's Labyrinth, so I'm hopeful he won't make a total mess of it, as far as directing. What I'm REALLY afraid of is the script! It's to be written by Fran Walsh, who also wrote the script for the LOTR series. And with no actual book to back up the second movie, that leaves room for all kinds of nonsense. I'm sure we'll see Legolas running around, for instance. And lots of Arwen (oh, the travesty)! As a matter of fact, I bet they write Legolas into the Hobbit, as well. If they manage to put ARWEN into it, I'm gonna hurl. Yeah, pet peeve.

I will be watching the casting to see how it goes...

[Zyram]

LOOOOOVE the books!!!

Didnt care so much for the movies..

You guys ever read The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan? Its like an 11 book set, im on book 6 and so far its pretty damn good Def worth a check out.

I just started reading this for the 4th time. First time I read it it only went to book 8, and book 9 came out shortly after I finished reading it. then for books 10 and 11 I re-read the entire series, my favorite by far aside from Tolkien. Although, RJ died and now he's got someone else finishing the final book, but he had a good bit of work done on it so I hope it won't be bad. He also picked the guy who will finish it I believe.
-Z

[erufiku]

I think it would have been far, far better with Sam Raimi. The Hobbit is supposed to be silly, tongue-in-cheek, and personally enriching. Knowing Del Toro we're probably going to see Dwarves with superpowers or tentacles or something

If he gives Gandalf anything more powerful than a stick with a little light at the end, I'm going to hunt him down and torture him to death with salmons.

Well, I really liked what del Toro did with Pan's Labyrinth, so I'm hopeful he won't make a total mess of it, as far as directing. What I'm REALLY afraid of is the script! It's to be written by Fran Walsh, who also wrote the script for the LOTR series. And with no actual book to back up the second movie, that leaves room for all kinds of nonsense. I'm sure we'll see Legolas running around, for instance. And lots of Arwen (oh, the travesty)! As a matter of fact, I bet they write Legolas into the Hobbit, as well. If they manage to put ARWEN into it, I'm gonna hurl. Yeah, pet peeve.

I will be watching the casting to see how it goes...

Yeah I can see the think-tank being deployed on how to 'fill in the gap' between The Hobbit and LotR:

-Hobbits, dwarves, one dragon. Meh. Not enough for a movie.
-Think people, think!
-We need something extreme... like NINJAS!
-Ninjas, fuck yes! Bloody ninjas with shiny fuck-off knives!
-And rocket launchers.
-And then they'll fight with the ghey elfs, there will be machine guns and suicide bombers everywhere.
-Suicide bombers in slow motion. Write that down before we forget!
-Yeah, yeah, I can see it all coming together now. Now we can explain why the elfs left Middle Earth.
-Bloody brilliant chaps. We got ourselves a movie.

[iron molly black]

I think it would have been far, far better with Sam Raimi. The Hobbit is supposed to be silly, tongue-in-cheek, and personally enriching. Knowing Del Toro we're probably going to see Dwarves with superpowers or tentacles or something

If he gives Gandalf anything more powerful than a stick with a little light at the end, I'm going to hunt him down and torture him to death with salmons.

Well, I really liked what del Toro did with Pan's Labyrinth, so I'm hopeful he won't make a total mess of it, as far as directing. What I'm REALLY afraid of is the script! It's to be written by Fran Walsh, who also wrote the script for the LOTR series. And with no actual book to back up the second movie, that leaves room for all kinds of nonsense. I'm sure we'll see Legolas running around, for instance. And lots of Arwen (oh, the travesty)! As a matter of fact, I bet they write Legolas into the Hobbit, as well. If they manage to put ARWEN into it, I'm gonna hurl. Yeah, pet peeve.

I will be watching the casting to see how it goes...

Yeah I can see the think-tank being deployed on how to 'fill in the gap' between The Hobbit and LotR:

-Hobbits, dwarves, one dragon. Meh. Not enough for a movie.
-Think people, think!
-We need something extreme... like NINJAS!
-Ninjas, fuck yes! Bloody ninjas with shiny fuck-off knives!
-And rocket launchers.
-And then they'll fight with the ghey elfs, there will be machine guns and suicide bombers everywhere.
-Suicide bombers in slow motion. Write that down before we forget!
-Yeah, yeah, I can see it all coming together now. Now we can explain why the elfs left Middle Earth.
-Bloody brilliant chaps. We got ourselves a movie.

Don't forget the looooooooooveeeeeeee story. Have to have that bit in it. In between the parts where the stuff is exploding all over the place.

[erufiku]

I think it would have been far, far better with Sam Raimi. The Hobbit is supposed to be silly, tongue-in-cheek, and personally enriching. Knowing Del Toro we're probably going to see Dwarves with superpowers or tentacles or something

If he gives Gandalf anything more powerful than a stick with a little light at the end, I'm going to hunt him down and torture him to death with salmons.

Well, I really liked what del Toro did with Pan's Labyrinth, so I'm hopeful he won't make a total mess of it, as far as directing. What I'm REALLY afraid of is the script! It's to be written by Fran Walsh, who also wrote the script for the LOTR series. And with no actual book to back up the second movie, that leaves room for all kinds of nonsense. I'm sure we'll see Legolas running around, for instance. And lots of Arwen (oh, the travesty)! As a matter of fact, I bet they write Legolas into the Hobbit, as well. If they manage to put ARWEN into it, I'm gonna hurl. Yeah, pet peeve.

I will be watching the casting to see how it goes...

Yeah I can see the think-tank being deployed on how to 'fill in the gap' between The Hobbit and LotR:

-Hobbits, dwarves, one dragon. Meh. Not enough for a movie.
-Think people, think!
-We need something extreme... like NINJAS!
-Ninjas, fuck yes! Bloody ninjas with shiny fuck-off knives!
-And rocket launchers.
-And then they'll fight with the ghey elfs, there will be machine guns and suicide bombers everywhere.
-Suicide bombers in slow motion. Write that down before we forget!
-Yeah, yeah, I can see it all coming together now. Now we can explain why the elfs left Middle Earth.
-Bloody brilliant chaps. We got ourselves a movie.

Don't forget the looooooooooveeeeeeee story. Have to have that bit in it. In between the parts where the stuff is exploding all over the place.

OMG you're right, we might have missed the needy teenage girls demographic! While we're at it, all the elvish folk should parade around topless. Gasp. Let's get Paris Hilton... she can be the ogre with the machine gun in the half-hour long, really-slow-motion battle at the end of the movie.
Also, I think Bilbo should have a superpower. Teleportation. Igniting stuff. No, even better... Snatching underpants. Yes. He can be the head of the underpants gnomes. We can make a separate 51 episode tv spin-off on them later. That's what Tolkien meant to write anyway.
We'll make meeeeelions

[iron molly black]

I think it would have been far, far better with Sam Raimi. The Hobbit is supposed to be silly, tongue-in-cheek, and personally enriching. Knowing Del Toro we're probably going to see Dwarves with superpowers or tentacles or something

If he gives Gandalf anything more powerful than a stick with a little light at the end, I'm going to hunt him down and torture him to death with salmons.

Well, I really liked what del Toro did with Pan's Labyrinth, so I'm hopeful he won't make a total mess of it, as far as directing. What I'm REALLY afraid of is the script! It's to be written by Fran Walsh, who also wrote the script for the LOTR series. And with no actual book to back up the second movie, that leaves room for all kinds of nonsense. I'm sure we'll see Legolas running around, for instance. And lots of Arwen (oh, the travesty)! As a matter of fact, I bet they write Legolas into the Hobbit, as well. If they manage to put ARWEN into it, I'm gonna hurl. Yeah, pet peeve.

I will be watching the casting to see how it goes...

Yeah I can see the think-tank being deployed on how to 'fill in the gap' between The Hobbit and LotR:

-Hobbits, dwarves, one dragon. Meh. Not enough for a movie.
-Think people, think!
-We need something extreme... like NINJAS!
-Ninjas, fuck yes! Bloody ninjas with shiny fuck-off knives!
-And rocket launchers.
-And then they'll fight with the ghey elfs, there will be machine guns and suicide bombers everywhere.
-Suicide bombers in slow motion. Write that down before we forget!
-Yeah, yeah, I can see it all coming together now. Now we can explain why the elfs left Middle Earth.
-Bloody brilliant chaps. We got ourselves a movie.

Don't forget the looooooooooveeeeeeee story. Have to have that bit in it. In between the parts where the stuff is exploding all over the place.

OMG you're right, we might have missed the needy teenage girls demographic! While we're at it, all the elvish folk should parade around topless. Gasp. Let's get Paris Hilton... she can be the ogre with the machine gun in the half-hour long, really-slow-motion battle at the end of the movie.
Also, I think Bilbo should have a superpower. Teleportation. Igniting stuff. No, even better... Snatching underpants. Yes. He can be the head of the underpants gnomes. We can make a separate 51 episode tv spin-off on them later. That's what Tolkien meant to write anyway.
We'll make meeeeelions

What's that noise...oh, nevermind, it's just Tolkien spinning in his grave...

[iron molly black]

OK, I got a giggle from some of these over on the Tolkien forum. Some possible names for the second Hobbit movie:

The Hobbit Reloaded
The Hobbit Strikes Back
A Very Hobbit Sequel
Hobbit II: Electric Boogaloo
The Hobbit Ultimatum
A Few Hobbits More
H2
Dawn of The Hobbit
There and Back Again, Again
When Aragorn Met Arwen
Every Which Way But Lothlorien
O Hobbit, Where Art Thou?

Citizen Smaug - It begins with Smaug's death. After fruitless investigation into the meaning of his mysterious last words, the film ends with a close-up of the golden cup that Bilbo stole. On the rim is faintly engraved, "Rosebud".

Wainspotting - A group of disaffected tweens fall deep into pipeweed addiction to escape the banalities of Shire existence.

[gaia.plateau]

Wainspotting - A group of disaffected tweens fall deep into pipeweed addiction to escape the banalities of Shire existence.

Yes.

[Braavos]

Read the A Song of Ice and Fire series by George RR Martin. The story is phenomenal. Phenomenal, and the writing far exceeds anything else I've ever seen in the Fantasy genre. It's far better than Jordan (past the first three books), and is the closest anything has ever come to Tolkein. He's still in the process of writing the series (book five of seven), and it takes him like five years a book, which turns some people off from it. The story is unfuckingbelievable though, if you're looking for something new.

[iron molly black]

Read the A Song of Ice and Fire series by George RR Martin. The story is phenomenal. Phenomenal, and the writing far exceeds anything else I've ever seen in the Fantasy genre. It's far better than Jordan (past the first three books), and is the closest anything has ever come to Tolkein. He's still in the process of writing the series (book five of seven), and it takes him like five years a book, which turns some people off from it. The story is unfuckingbelievable though, if you're looking for something new.

Oh yeah, it's a great series! I wind up re-reading the whole thing while waiting for the next book to come out. This next one is taking FOREVER!

Something I especially like is that he is pretty brutal with the storyline. He WILL kill off a main character, no problem. He's not all nicey-nice with it. And although it's fantasy, it's not "magic solves it all" either. Magic is a dangerous element in his world. Although his writing can be compared to Tolkien, he has an original plot and storyline going, which is refreshing, and I enjoy his characters. He is a good writer--one of the best, no doubt about it.