chromecarz00 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Here we go. Im going to undermine the entire business strategy of Fantasia in less than 500 words. I should get hired or something.Hookah is a niche market. As it is with all businesses, you need to try and please your hardcore dedicated customers, not try and expand. (its some economic law). Fantasia, through this move, has lost ALL of their dedicated customers. All of them. Now for the law of supply and demand. Supply is inversely related to demand. What does that mean? Supply goes up, demand goes down, or vise versa. I think that Fantasia was near market equilibrium. Now, increasing supply will decrease demand, but also raising the prices will skew the graph so much that their sales will plummet. If anyones REALLY interested I can draw up some graphs or something.Neal you did them a favor by telling us, now they can see what they've done and rectify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anxiety Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 wow im not buying fantashia anymore...AF is just as good, tangiers is better and there both ALOT cheaper...horrible move by them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookah_Bob3 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Just give Hookah Forum and the other hookah-dedicated forums/sites a discount to receive fantasia at normal price, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 QUOTE (The Devils Playground @ May 22 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well I get a call from Texas today. I assume its a customer I take the call. Its Randy from Fantasia he says great job of FOTM. NO big deal I appreciate them likeing our work. He tells me they have new flavors on the way Super. I am delighted to hear this. Now the kicker comes in. And I mean right in the balls. I guess shops accross America are crying about on line pricing and refuse to buy Fantasia until we all raise our prices. I have not read the email yet but looks like we have to sell Fantasia 200G for like $18.00. Not just me. He named all the big dogs. MNH, H-S, US, even the ones I do not send people to like TH. He had a freaking list. We are all having to raise our prices. I just wanted to warn you guys before you have to go site to sire and think the sites are being greedy. On the other hand Fantasia is not upping our wholesale so they are not being greedy either so don`t hate them for it. They just want/ need to expand their customer base. Its all part of business. I just don`t want online vendors to be seen as greedy.Feel free to comment on this. I will direct fantasia to the comments and let them see how you the avid smokers feel about the price change.Thanks, NealWTF !!!! seriously ??? i pay 13 WITH TAX at my local store Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarCuzz Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 fuck you, fantasia... the only good fantasia that i know of now is the movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 QUOTE (StarCuzz @ May 23 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>fuck you, fantasia... the only good fantasia that i know of now is the movie...hey now fantasia is great stuff bro my list of favorite brands is AF,tangiers,layalina,fantasia and zona. i at all costs AVOID SB,Al Amir and AW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santino Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 QUOTE (dakingkevin23 @ May 22 2008, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why can't the non online shops just lower their prices and make the customer base happy?Couple of reasons, first, in most online shops cases (Neal is an exception) they don't have a retail location. Actually housing product, paying employees, costs, rent, overhead et al generally forces shops to charge slightly more in order to stay open and keep paying them bills. Second, depending on the location, tobacco tax can be a killer. When purchasing online, you generally are tax exempt, because those retailers pick their location very carefully. For instance, go to Washington and it'll be quite a bit more expensive for any tobacco as opposed to say, California, Nevada, Texas, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuyvo Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 would fantasia be angry at you if you offered their product at the price they ask but include something as a "free bonus with every purchase of fantasia" like coals or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidge Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 This is outrageous! I am a fantasia fan, and i thought even 13 dollars was kind of expensive for only 200g. but 18 dollars for 200g! NO WAY. FUCK THAT! Im sorry fantasia but i will not be buying from you if this price and decision to increase price to seem more premium continues... I used to pay about 12 dollars with tax at a local shop for it. And with my 18 bucks i could just buy a good favorite 500g of AF. Sorry to say fantasia but -1 more customer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 where in so cal you at smidge ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian_villager Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 That is just down right redonkulous i was looking to purchase a 200g tub of blueberry and pink lemonade but now f*** that noise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 indian_villager just buy a shitload before the price goes up OR i can keep buying it for $13 from my local shop and you can pay me for the shish and shipping and we can stick it to fantasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikon1323 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 damn why is like half the people here bashing on fantasia.....burns quick??? what??? i smoke that stuff for over an hour out of my mod bowl...SAME as i do with AF and layalinas...i smoke that stuff out of my small funnel for well over 2 hours everytime...the stuff is amazing out of a funnel....so much flavor and i get a good buzz goin with the stuff (not to crazy just perfect)...i think fantasia is amazing stuff and i really have gotten into it..but this price increase is KILLEN ME...well if anyone lives near chi-town go to guess hookah to pick some up i talked to the owner a while back and stuff is only 13 there because he gets charged like less than the wholesale price for getting the comp. big at his hookah bar or something...but whatever i guess imo fantasia is great dont have to acclimate it like tangiers and i always get a great flavorful smoke so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 QUOTE (Nikon1323 @ May 23 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>damn why is like half the people here bashing on fantasia.....burns quick??? what??? i smoke that stuff for over an hour out of my mod bowl...SAME as i do with AF and layalinas...i smoke that stuff out of my small funnel for well over 2 hours everytime...the stuff is amazing out of a funnel....so much flavor and i get a good buzz goin with the stuff (not to crazy just perfect)...i think fantasia is amazing stuff and i really have gotten into it..but this price increase is KILLEN ME...well if anyone lives near chi-town go to guess hookah to pick some up i talked to the owner a while back and stuff is only 13 there because he gets charged like less than the wholesale price for getting the comp. big at his hookah bar or something...but whatever i guess imo fantasia is great dont have to acclimate it like tangiers and i always get a great flavorful smoke soi am a fan of fantasia too nikon its good stuff caramel macchiato is amazing when mixed with tangiers vanilla. as for the price if you want to buy in bulk i can get 200g tubs for $13 and if you pay for shipping and the shisha as i stated before i'll be your fantasia pusher man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 i only bash it because it tastes terribly fake, candy as hell, all of them have a shit ass after taste, food colored, did i mention it tastes like shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 QUOTE (Scoop @ May 23 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i only bash it because it tastes terribly fake, candy as hell, all of them have a shit ass after taste, food colored, did i mention it tastes like shit?i like your honesty scoop lol but some people like the candy-ish flavors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 QUOTE (NickReppinThe909 @ May 24 2008, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Scoop @ May 23 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i only bash it because it tastes terribly fake, candy as hell, all of them have a shit ass after taste, food colored, did i mention it tastes like shit?i like your honesty scoop lol but some people like the candy-ish flavorslol true. they can throw their money away on fantasia if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidglass Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 Well I'm personally a fan of Fantasia, not top of my list but I enjoy it. so Nick I might be taking you up on that on a tub of blueberry sometime soon lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 careful, te makers find out what shop is sellign it for below their required price you could get that shop in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 QUOTE (liquidglass @ May 24 2008, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well I'm personally a fan of Fantasia, not top of my list but I enjoy it. so Nick I might be taking you up on that on a tub of blueberry sometime soon lol.just shoot me a pm whenever you want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasHookah Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Hey guys, I see a lot of bad things about Fantasia, haha. Yeah, not something I am very happy about either, trust me. I like make profit from low and prices and quantity meaning more clients then a few dedicated clients that will continue to buy at a higher price. But we will see how this will impact Fantasia and we will go from there. The product to me is one of the best shishas out there, because I am all about taste. My prices are at $18 now due to the price change. I did like the idea suggested by someone in the postings about throwing something in for free for every jar of Fantasia bought. I just might be able to do something like that. Not a bad idea at all. I will keep everyone posted on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarCuzz Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Buy One, Get One -- 1/2 OFF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Goodypants Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 (edited) oh ho? Half off sounds good but very unlikely.This really does suck though. I really like fantasia flavors and I was hoping to pick up a couple tubs soon, but DAMN... I'll get starbuzz if I want to spend that much money.Ahhh... I'm a nakhla man anyways... Edited May 26, 2008 by St. Goodypants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 For me, the choice would be simple... no more little black jars. Besides, too many real premiums out there to even consider buying from some company who's buisness model is a "no-bid" contract with haliburton. Screw them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I got some Fantasia Margarita, Loved it besides the massive amount of Red Dye. If they go through with this min price deal and still keep the red dye, it will not be worth it to me, to purchase their tobacco, despite raves of flavors. If they want Minimum price the should have Walmart stock their shisha...not quality dealers Like DPG!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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