Did We Forget About Bin Laden?

[speel]

It seems strange that in the past 7 years we just pretty much faded away the idea of capturing Bin Laden. Think about it, how many people even mention his name any more? It seems to me that the person who killed thousands of lives has gotten away with it all. Whats your take on this? Do you think the general public has totally forgotten about the idea of capturing this guy?

[Exile]

I don't think its that we've forgotten about him. Rather, the Government is embarrassed that they can't catch one guy with their entire military. So of course they are going to play it down. Look how the media barely covers Osama stories anymore. If I'm not mistaken, he recently released another tape. The longer Osama Bin Laden stays alive, the more ridiculous the U.S. looks.

[Click]

He's dead.

Omar Sheikh killed him.

Start watching at 2:14. The lady speaking is Benazir Bhutto the former Prime Minister of Pakistan who was in running for re-election and was pressing for the President Musharraf to step down from leading the military. Three weeks after saying that Bin Laden is dead on live TV she was murdered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

My sisters ex-boyfriend lives in Pakistan and has been there since 2004. His mother is one of the important political figures in Pakistan and everybody there knows the Osama has been dead for years.

Remember that video like 4 or 5 years ago where he had kidney failure and looked last absolute crap? Then 9 months later a new video of "him" comes out and his beard is a dark black and he looks great. That video was proven to be a fake. And every video of him released after that point it a series of photos with audio of him. Why did Osama stop having actual videos of himself and not just audio tapes? Cause he's dead. Edited May 31, 2008 by click

[Exile]

Three weeks after saying that Bin Laden is dead on live TV she was murdered.

Thats interesting- I did not know that. Thats a good motive for assasination.

But I won't believe he's dead until I hear it from a doctors mouth.

[.cOLt.45.]

Find him. Theres like a 25 million dollar reward.

[ahwahoo2006]

Actually, I just saw a news item the other day about how the head of the CIA was saying finding bin Laden is still a priority. I would not be surprised, however, if he was dead from natural causes, as mentioned aboved.

[TheScotsman]

He has become an insignificant figure. Dead or alive, the man has little power.
His death would be the kind of political scalp Bush would be parading about ad nauseum, I would think if there was any sort of proof to be had, we would be up to our collective asses in faux-news special reports.


As much as I despise the whole concept of radical Muslim terrorism, I have to admit, in a strange way I am cheering for the guy. It's nice to see one of GW's big prizes slip away... and become another failure heaped on a legacy of complete failure.

[SafeSearchOff]

anyone see "Where in the World is Osama Bin Laden" by Morgan Spurlock (SuperSize Me)?

[oolatec]

He's been dead for awhile. No video tapes of him since 2004.

Besides, the mastermind of 9/11 is already rotting in a cell. And we even waterboarded him.

[Codename067]

Huh. You really think the USA cant find him?

Common man.

Propaganda at its best.

[Exile]

Huh. You really think the USA cant find him?

Common man.

Propaganda at its best.

Yes, I do think the USA can't find him.
If the U.S. found Osama Bin Laden- it would all but redeem Bush's precidency. You can bet your last dollar that the U.S. will make a parade out of him.

[Codename067]

Huh. You really think the USA cant find him?

Common man.

Propaganda at its best.

Yes, I do think the USA can't find him.
If the U.S. found Osama Bin Laden- it would all but redeem Bush's precidency. You can bet your last dollar that the U.S. will make a parade out of him.

You sound like a man who believes that the US was not invovled in the 9/11 incident.

We are never going to be on the same page regarding this matter.

[Endlesssummer63]

Man we got a bunch of Bush haters up in here. Have some respect for the man that kept your ass safe for the last 7 years. If Kerry was in office we would all be closer to socialism, and god help us if Obama (that socialist seperarist). But i guess if you like being forced into government programs like national healthcare and allowing the government to control your life, then he's your man.

Bush may not be the brightest man, but he was able to get reelected for a second term and protect this nation. He was the only one with the balls to go into the million years war and try to settle it. I applaud him.

John McCain in 08'

Bin Laden is dead, our boys have torched every hole in the middle east. His body was probably too mangled/destroyed to figure it out.

[Dirk Skene]

I think we probably know where he is, but can't get to him without killing him & the pres. really wants him taken alive. - Just my feeling on it all -

[Exile]

You sound like a man who believes that the US was not invovled in the 9/11 incident.

We are never going to be on the same page regarding this matter.

Correct me if I'm making the wrong assumptions. The fact that you believe in an American-sponsored 9/11 conspiracy and are still alive is proof that there is none. If the U.S. govt. has no qualms about killing nearly 3000 of its own citizens (and a few others), you can bet it has no qualms killing you for knowing the 'truth'.

/win Edited June 3, 2008 by Exile

[Bulldog_916]

Man we got a bunch of Bush haters up in here. Have some respect for the man that kept your ass safe for the last 7 years. If Kerry was in office we would all be closer to socialism, and god help us if Obama (that socialist seperarist). But i guess if you like being forced into government programs like national healthcare and allowing the government to control your life, then he's your man.

Bush may not be the brightest man, but he was able to get reelected for a second term and protect this nation. He was the only one with the balls to go into the million years war and try to settle it. I applaud him.

John McCain in 08'

Bin Laden is dead, our boys have torched every hole in the middle east. His body was probably too mangled/destroyed to figure it out.

WRONG WRONG WRONG! He isnt protecting this nation. He's made it ten times more dangerous to go to a middle eastern country as an American. He's made Iran stronger as a force in middle eastern foreign affairs by taking away the check in that whole balance, Iraq. Al Qaeda is stronger than it has been in over 7 years. Every intel officer that has been to Afghanistan the past 3 years has said that it is becoming harder and harder to keep peace there. The surge didnt work, that's a farce and dishonest. The Shia clerics declared a cease fire during talks with Al Maliki's officials and the tribal leaders. That explains the drop in violence. The surge caused an initial uptick in violence, it was that way for several months, progressively worse and worse. This month has seen the lowest casualty rate in all of the war. Why? Because of the CEASE FIRE. Part of that is DIPLOMACY. We need our generals to stop employing former enemies, AKA the Sunnis against the insurgents, Shia militias and clerics militaraly. We have to force Al Maliki to take control of the country. We have to spend no more than 1 year training Iraq's army. If by the end of that year their army cant sustain itself, we have to leave. Slowly bringing out brigade after brigade. They would stay at designated bases in border countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia and on warships and carriers in the Mediterranean. By the end of 2 years, all of our troops would be extracted save for a few security brigades. Our duties from then on focus on putting out the small fires and protecting the oil fields. That's it.

[Endlesssummer63]

Man we got a bunch of Bush haters up in here. Have some respect for the man that kept your ass safe for the last 7 years. If Kerry was in office we would all be closer to socialism, and god help us if Obama (that socialist seperarist). But i guess if you like being forced into government programs like national healthcare and allowing the government to control your life, then he's your man.

Bush may not be the brightest man, but he was able to get reelected for a second term and protect this nation. He was the only one with the balls to go into the million years war and try to settle it. I applaud him.

John McCain in 08'

Bin Laden is dead, our boys have torched every hole in the middle east. His body was probably too mangled/destroyed to figure it out.

WRONG WRONG WRONG! He isnt protecting this nation. He's made it ten times more dangerous to go to a middle eastern country as an American. He's made Iran stronger as a force in middle eastern foreign affairs by taking away the check in that whole balance, Iraq. Al Qaeda is stronger than it has been in over 7 years. Every intel officer that has been to Afghanistan the past 3 years has said that it is becoming harder and harder to keep peace there. The surge didnt work, that's a farce and dishonest. The Shia clerics declared a cease fire during talks with Al Maliki's officials and the tribal leaders. That explains the drop in violence. The surge caused an initial uptick in violence, it was that way for several months, progressively worse and worse. This month has seen the lowest casualty rate in all of the war. Why? Because of the CEASE FIRE. Part of that is DIPLOMACY. We need our generals to stop employing former enemies, AKA the Sunnis against the insurgents, Shia militias and clerics militaraly. We have to force Al Maliki to take control of the country. We have to spend no more than 1 year training Iraq's army. If by the end of that year their army cant sustain itself, we have to leave. Slowly bringing out brigade after brigade. They would stay at designated bases in border countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia and on warships and carriers in the Mediterranean. By the end of 2 years, all of our troops would be extracted save for a few security brigades. Our duties from then on focus on putting out the small fires and protecting the oil fields. That's it.

it sounds like someone has been listening to too much Clinton News Network (CNN). Listen to what you just said. We will leave but we really wont leave? How can we put out fires in the oil fields when we are all gone and only protecting the boarders and a few bridges? How do we protect something without having a presence there? And you think the Saudi Gov will allow Americans to watch over one of the most profitable oil fields in the middle east? Alqueda is so strong? Clinton left this nation open for attack. Should I even go back to his track record of when they attempted to blow up the Empire State Building the first 2 times?

Ok for shits and giggles I will. He smacked them in the hand, not wanting to step on anyones toes (whether they were foreign or domestic enimies). Bush has taken the precautions needed to ensure stability in our way of life through eliminiating the fear. And you're so afraid to go to a middle eastern country? Thats because the middle east doesnt have the protection that we have here in America. Those nation states are filled with religious rhetoric nut jobs who are now blowing up mentally handicap women to prove their point. That's what our nation would be if a democrat like Obama took over. He wants to sit down and talk? WHAT? I'm sorry but this is a Will Smith movie, people just don't change their minds over night about a war that has been taking place for thousands of years.

[Bulldog_916]

Man we got a bunch of Bush haters up in here. Have some respect for the man that kept your ass safe for the last 7 years. If Kerry was in office we would all be closer to socialism, and god help us if Obama (that socialist seperarist). But i guess if you like being forced into government programs like national healthcare and allowing the government to control your life, then he's your man.

Bush may not be the brightest man, but he was able to get reelected for a second term and protect this nation. He was the only one with the balls to go into the million years war and try to settle it. I applaud him.

John McCain in 08'

Bin Laden is dead, our boys have torched every hole in the middle east. His body was probably too mangled/destroyed to figure it out.

WRONG WRONG WRONG! He isnt protecting this nation. He's made it ten times more dangerous to go to a middle eastern country as an American. He's made Iran stronger as a force in middle eastern foreign affairs by taking away the check in that whole balance, Iraq. Al Qaeda is stronger than it has been in over 7 years. Every intel officer that has been to Afghanistan the past 3 years has said that it is becoming harder and harder to keep peace there. The surge didnt work, that's a farce and dishonest. The Shia clerics declared a cease fire during talks with Al Maliki's officials and the tribal leaders. That explains the drop in violence. The surge caused an initial uptick in violence, it was that way for several months, progressively worse and worse. This month has seen the lowest casualty rate in all of the war. Why? Because of the CEASE FIRE. Part of that is DIPLOMACY. We need our generals to stop employing former enemies, AKA the Sunnis against the insurgents, Shia militias and clerics militaraly. We have to force Al Maliki to take control of the country. We have to spend no more than 1 year training Iraq's army. If by the end of that year their army cant sustain itself, we have to leave. Slowly bringing out brigade after brigade. They would stay at designated bases in border countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia and on warships and carriers in the Mediterranean. By the end of 2 years, all of our troops would be extracted save for a few security brigades. Our duties from then on focus on putting out the small fires and protecting the oil fields. That's it.

it sounds like someone has been listening to too much Clinton News Network (CNN). Listen to what you just said. We will leave but we really wont leave? How can we put out fires in the oil fields when we are all gone and only protecting the boarders and a few bridges? How do we protect something without having a presence there? And you think the Saudi Gov will allow Americans to watch over one of the most profitable oil fields in the middle east? Alqueda is so strong? Clinton left this nation open for attack. Should I even go back to his track record of when they attempted to blow up the Empire State Building the first 2 times?

Ok for shits and giggles I will. He smacked them in the hand, not wanting to step on anyones toes (whether they were foreign or domestic enimies). Bush has taken the precautions needed to ensure stability in our way of life through eliminiating the fear. And you're so afraid to go to a middle eastern country? Thats because the middle east doesnt have the protection that we have here in America. Those nation states are filled with religious rhetoric nut jobs who are now blowing up mentally handicap women to prove their point. That's what our nation would be if a democrat like Obama took over. He wants to sit down and talk? WHAT? I'm sorry but this is a Will Smith movie, people just don't change their minds over night about a war that has been taking place for thousands of years.

It's not black and white. Just like we have a tiny fraction of our troops in Afghanistan right now (and that war is over, right? you would think so with how strong Al Qaeda has gotten there and in Pakistan), we're going to maintain a comparitively tiny force in Iraq when we leave. By fires I meant firefights. The majority of conflicts after we leave are going to be small arms fire and will be handled by the Iraqi security forces. Saudi Arabia is our ally. We launched the first Iraq War from Saudi Arabia and Turkey. The bases we used are pretty much intact because we fly sorties out of there often. The others are launched out of the Mediterranean from our carriers. Do you really think we can protect the homeland by maintaining a presense in Iraq? You are naiive my friend.

Clinton did not leave this nation open to attack. Bush and Cheney along with Condoleeza Rice and Don Rumsfeld did not take it seriously when the CLINTON Administration handed them their intelligence spelling out that Al Qaeda was determined to perpetrate a large "event" inside the United States at some point. The chatter got louder and louder until the event actually happened. No one was listening very intently apparently. They even got a Presidential Daily Briefing spelling it out even further: "Bin Laden determined to strike inside US." The situation in Afghanistan under Clinton was fragile. He didnt want to destabalize it further by launching a DIRECT attack on Bin Laden, as opposed to using intel to track him and his intentions, possibly paying a tribe or other militant group to assassinate him. I'll admit, there were failures by the Clinton administration to eliminate Bin Laden when they could. But the snake had so many heads that eliminating one would spring up 5 more.

Bush has not eliminated the fear. He has perpetuated the fear. Now you and I both have less rights than we did 7 years ago. We have to strip down to our skivies to get onto a fucking airplane. Habaeus Corpus is suspended indefinitely. I wouldnt have feared going to a middle eastern country 7 years ago. I wouldnt have feared going into the military 7 years ago. America has become Enemy #1 in the middle east. The only 2 countries that consider us an ally are Saudi Arabia, because of our money, and Israel because of the protection we afford them.

Guess what? Diplomacy can work! The president of Iraq, Nouri Al Maliki is going to (of all places) Iran, to TALK to (of all people) Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, for the 3RD TIME! What are they going to talk about? Iraqi security. And you criticize Obama for wanting to talk to our enemies? Who else have we talked with to get them to suspend their nuclear weapons enrichment? Starts with "N"... "Nor"..."Nordic?"....OH YEA North Korea! That silly little dictator that they have who wears the funny little glasses? Kim Jong Il. Yea, we along with China, Japan, South Korea and Russia sat down with them and talked tough diplomacy. Now they arent really a threat. Who did that? Oh yea, Bush. I thought he was a total moron, but he actually did 1 smart thing as president. But that was about it.

To counter your little Will Smith movie argument, I would say that this isnt an episode of "24" either. Coutnerterrorism takes disciplined intelligence. Not military action whenever you can use it.

[speel]

Hey lets not forget

[Zabiela]

Man we got a bunch of Bush haters up in here. Have some respect for the man that kept your ass safe for the last 7 years. If Kerry was in office we would all be closer to socialism, and god help us if Obama (that socialist seperarist). But i guess if you like being forced into government programs like national healthcare and allowing the government to control your life, then he's your man.

If the Bush administration wanted to protect us with this war, why is it being waged in IRAQ?

Weapons of mass destruction? We found none, if you remember.

Al Qaeda? They had a much stronger presence in afganistan.
There are now more AQ members in Iraq than before the war began, they sent their own people in to help the insurgency.

Saddam? Anyone who thinks getting saddam made them safer is a complete moron. He was old and powerless, and was made into a scapegoat.

Cheney: "The war will last six weeks at MOST. It will pay for itself."

We're now 7 years in, spending about a million dollars per day, easily. Edited June 11, 2008 by Zabiela

[Click]

We're now 7 years in, spending about a million dollars per day, easily.

Try 195 million dollars a day. Over 500 billion spent so far.

[shisha fan]

where did my post go? i could`ve sworn that i posted in this topic, and so did gaia plateau.

[Big Boss]

A few people have complained about their posts disappearing. Its a glitch in the forum, not a censorship issue in case you were wondering.

[mrmonk7663]

If Osama is dead, good. If he is not dead, it is not because the USA can't find him. It is because they choose not to make his location public for some reason. The USA and its intelligence can find the man if they choose to without a problem. Why they choose not to, or why they choose not to discuss it, is what concerns me. My brother had chances in Iraq to capture Bin Laden and Sadam Hussein...both times they were denied the chance as it was deemed better if "special forces" did it...it looks better on TV like that.

[shisha fan]

A few people have complained about their posts disappearing. Its a glitch in the forum, not a censorship issue in case you were wondering.

yeah that must be it. probably happened when the new shoutbox and other features were added.