kitefanatic Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 OK, what the smeg am I doing wrong here... I have tried 2 different flavors of AF, cinnamon and grape, and both have been void of flavor and made me ill. (headache and nausea)I have smoked other brands before and not run across this. I must say that they were both 50g packs and somewhat drier than I expected.For reference I have used several different hookahs (mini Mya, 26" Egyptian, and QT) with both a regular clay bowl and a Tangiers Phunnel. My usual coal is 3 pieces of Exotica, broken into 1/4.Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Did you smoke on an empty stomach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog_916 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I think you have too much heat on there, 1. 2, are you drinking water? and 3, are you taking too many hits back to back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitefanatic Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 Always smoke after eating, usually while drinking liquid, and I do try to remember to breathe oxygen. Like I said before, it only happens with AF. I just haven't been able to figure out why yet.Bulldog: How much heat do you suggest? At 3 pieces, I only get the faintest trace of flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog_916 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 If you're getting a ton of smoke and little flavor, you're using too much heat, that's the point I was trying to articulate. But with the medium phunnel, that amount makes sense. I would suggest a thorough cleaning, check if everything is air tight, and make sure your water level is 1-1.5 inches above the bottom of the stem. See if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anxiety Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 af once and a while will kick harsh for me, what i do is purge ALOT during the session, helps me so maybe it will help you, give it a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNH Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 and it was dry AF? wierd... AF is pretty juicy these days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitefanatic Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yeah, I thought AF was supposed to be on the wet side....Bulldog: I'll try using just 2 coals and see if that makes a difference. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog_916 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Exoticas can kick out some mad heat, so yea give that a shot and see how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blckngld760 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 AF grape made me throw up lol im pretty sure i got a bad batch...stay away if it makes you sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename067 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Rookie..jk jk I dont now what could be causing your problem. Have you had some sessions lately? how did they go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmigeek Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Okay I am a noob so take this for what it is worth but: in my limited experience, AF in 50g packs is much dryer and not nearly as good as AF in 250g tubs. I have a 250g tub of AF cinammon and it is very, very juicy - I packed my bowl the other night and let it stand for about two minutes while I lit a coal, and when I came back some juice had run through the holes down the neck of the bowl and on to the counter. That's how juicy the stuff is. So if yours was dry there is definitely something different going on. The other 250g tub of AF I have, which is lemon, is also very juicy. But the 50g packs of AF I have tried, in about half a dozen flavors, are just not as juicy and don't give the same big flavor when I smoke them. It's not a coincidence, I think, that the cinammon and lemon are may favorite flavors, and the only flavors I have tried in 250g tubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBatcho07 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I got sick yesterday from a session of AF-Watermelon..so did my girlfriend.So you are not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrenwizard Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Have you guys ever think that he's having a knockout AF? Please kitefanatic, take a pic of your 50G packaging and post it here. One more thing, what's the expiry date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srawas89 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 If it is a legit AF 50 g box the fact that it could be dry probably caused more exposure to nicotine. I know that if you smoke something that is dry you tend to get a higher buzz because you are that much closer to burning the shisha (roasting it at a higher heat level). I am only saying this from experiencing a very bad nicotine over dose with Nakhla and although it is Unwashed unlike AF it was dry and I have been smoking Nakhla consistently for a while now so it wasnt like I was just trying it. Anyway another question...when was the last time you smoked? if you havnt smoked in a while along with dryer than normal shisha that could just be a nicotine over dose. Hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitefanatic Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 Ok folks, here's an update. I took Bulldogs' suggestion and tried it with 2 pieces of coal (1/4 sized Exoticas)... pretty much nothing happened. So I added a wind cover to bump up the heat and I started to get some taste, but not much. I did not get sick this time though.Having done some more thinking and brainstorming, I'm going to chock it up to bad AF and too much CO2 coming off of the coals. (I bought the shisha last year I think, so I can't get you box pics. However the grape did smell like ketchup...)Next time I order some AF, I'll be sure to get a 250 tub and see if that makes a difference. I know it does with Al Waha. The 50g boxes are always dry as hell.Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 it might be the exoticas any time i have used them i have gotten sick except for when i took like 3 hits off of nubbs' hookah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitefanatic Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 QUOTE (NickReppinThe909 @ Jul 31 2008, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it might be the exoticas any time i have used them i have gotten sick except for when i took like 3 hits off of nubbs' hookahI think that they give off more carbon than the Japs I was using before. Of course, I'm talking out of my arse here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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