IsraelEnigma Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 i went out and bought some vinyl tubing at home depot dont know how safe it is, it said (safe for water use and refrigirators) on it but the tubing isle had like stickers all over that said "DO NOT USE VINYL TUBING FOR WATER/REGRIGERATOR USE POLYURITHANE" and i noticed alot of the brands had a warning highlited "NOT FOR WATER USE" but the one i picked up said OK FOR WATER USE, i would have gotten the polyurithane one but it was to rigid,way to rigid it would have been uselessanyway so i bring the tubing home and it wont fit in the hose base,i mean it fit but fell off, so i took apart two hoses i had liying around a "washable" and an Egyptian hose, the egyptian one was beyond corroded the coil was brittle and bright yellow,the plastic casing in it was brown, but the bottom wood part was fine, the washable one(stainless steel) WAS RUSTY, no surprise to me as any of us who have stainless steel siscors know, Stainless steel DOES RUST IT JUST DOESNT CORODE, ie u can scrape of rust, its superficial,and the actual metal doesnt get brittle, but how can u scrape of the rust of a coil?!? U CANT! but it flakes off naturally! think about that! Anyway heres the end result [img]http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9468/dscf00739gd.jpg[/img][img]http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6111/dscf00750qb.jpg[/img]As for how it smoked, the first bowl was flavourless, however the second bowl (al waha gum) was strong but i started to get wheezing anf throat burn but i think it might of been because it was very little shisha in the bowl,since i only had a bit left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Next time try and re-size your picture before posting. Its breaking all the forum tables Anyways, I'm probably one of only a few here that goes to Home Depot to get my hoses, but that isn't the same stuff I use.. I remember seeing that type there, but I remember it being too stiff and thick. As for what I buy, its vinyl tubing as well. If I remember the package correctly, the diameter of the hose is either 1/2" or 3/5", but the entire thing is clear, not patterned/textured like yours above. The package on my tubing also said safe for water/food usage (no idea what sort of food you would use it with), and that it was approved by the food/health department being safe for water use. Now people claimed that when vinyl is heated up, it can release dangerous chemicals and that using it as a hose isn't a smart idea, but you shouldn't have to worry about that, seeing as how the hose doesn't get hot when smoking...simple as that. I like the way you rigged up your old hose pieces to accomodate the tube by the way The stuff I bought is pictured below, and it was 1.99 for 10', and 3.99 for 20' I believe. I normally buy the 20' rolls, and then just cut them into 2x 7' sections, and 1x 6' section. [img]http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4729/img11203fg.jpg[/img] If you have any more questions, feel free to ask, as I pretty much use vinyl tubbing exclusively. And don't worry about any chemicals, you're perfectly fine just as long you don't get the tube hot somehow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_T Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Enigma, I'm not really sure about all the hoses/tubes that HomeDepot carries, but I worked in plumbing at Lowes and almost all of it could be used for potable water. I would have to assume the poly tubing for refrigs would be fine, just maybe a little stiff. The tubing you got looks like the pvc lined tubing, that would be the white patterned part. If you make your own hoses again, I would say its fine to go with the clear tubing, which will be more pliable than your current tubing. also, as was posted above, the tubing is going to be containing smoke which is filtered through somewhat cool water, so unless the water in your base is boiling, it would be a fine material to use. anywho the hose you made look like good stuff. well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I was the one who posted gloom and doom about the pvc tubeing a while back... a guy can be wrong now and then... Just make sure you use the food safe stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsraelEnigma Posted January 7, 2006 Author Share Posted January 7, 2006 it isnt PVC or poly urithane it is braided vinyl (its vinyl with cloth braiding or something inside the actual viny that is to say not on the outside of the tube or inside of the tube but IN the viynl itself sandwitched) , it isnt stiff or textured either,the only clear Vinyl that homedepot had that day had the "NOT FOR WATER USE WARNING" and was flatish and oval not round, believe me it isnt stiff at all, that polyurithane one i saw at homedepot that was stiff like hard plastic seemed unusable, Anyway u think il be fine? its a pretty huge hose with good draw (its 10ft) its very flexible altho a little heavy, so anyway u think ima die? lol i already have way to much sh*t to worry aboutthe copper in the hookahthe foilthe smoke itselfnow the hose lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Yash, what in the world is going on in that pic? Haha, it looks cool but seems useless or at least weird? A little explanation would be nice I guess I'm the only dumb one here who doesn't really know what's going on there.Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='jmexx']Yash, what in the world is going on in that pic? Haha, it looks cool but seems useless or at least weird? A little explanation would be nice I guess I'm the only dumb one here who doesn't really know what's going on there.Jon[/quote] Ahh, thats a picture from a second chamber I added to my stargate. I either started a thread about it, or just posted in someone else's thread about adding chambers, can't quite remember... Anyways, the hose from the stargate is going fully into that second chamber through a small hole with a grommet inside the hole. That hose goes roughly 6-8" deep into the water. Then, as pictured above, a normal hookah hose is going into a second hole with a grommet inside, but obviously not all the way through and into the water, just at the top. Simply, just an added chamber. In that picture, I wasn't using any ice as it was just a test run to see if it worked, which it did. Normally I would FILL that sucker 3/4s of the way with ice and water. It improved the smoke a bit by cooling it more, but the only problem with that contraption is the size of the second chamber. Its too large, and a lot of the smoke gets slightly stale inside of the second chamber. I'm sure if you made one out of a smaller container, it would work better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Yeah, great. I couldn't find the reply box. That is the dirtiest jar I've EVER seen. Clean it, please! For the love of God, please clean it!One thing, leather/wood/cloth in hoses absorbs flavor, plastic/vinyl is far more impervious to chemicals. I might work up a theory. Either way, they're different. If you see what I'm getting at. You also have to address what the chemicals in the smoke are going to do...the terpenes in citrus flavors are somewhat corrosive, they use limonene in that "orange cleaner" stuff. Alcohol based flavors from other companies could cause additional damage, you may be eating the hose a little at a time and inhaling it. Since the chemicals in the vapor are dissolving it, it would be in a vaporous phase and go right into your lungs. Just because it says "Safe for drinking water" doesn't mean its safe to run a vaporized stream of complex and reactive chemicals through it! It may be perfectly safe and stable when it comes to water, but deadly poison the way you are using it. The fact that there was no flavor at first is a bad sign, that means their was no residue to slide on, so somehow the flavor was interacting with the tube. To what degree, we don't know.Its your lungs, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlakos_politakos Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 i would personally just go out and buy a new hose without the worry of sudden death(lol).and yashman i love that second jar! i gotta try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsraelEnigma Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='pavlakos_politakos']i would personally just go out and buy a new hose without the worry of sudden death(lol).and yashman i love that second jar! i gotta try it[/quote] thing is im not the only member here whos used tubing as u can see and as for safety, do u think comercial hoses are any better? pleather,rust etc btw there is at least 1 comercial hose that it is essentially the same as this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Honesty, I don't know. In fact, I used to work in gas chemistry, for a company making puirifiers for the semiconductor industry. I just wouldn't, it seems like a bad idea. Vinyl is pretty stable, at least its not polyethylene! Lets put it another way, the material that the leather hoses I use is...well that sentence didn't do too well.Leather, I understand, its not going to exude strange, toxic chemicals into my vapors. Vinyl, its made of toxic chemicals "stuck together" with more toxic chemicals. It you get the mess to unravel, toxic chemicals come out. Toxic is a strong word, but you wouldn't drink a glass of this stuff for breakfast. You're right, there may be little improvement in many commercial hoses, but leather I feel OK about, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzT Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Personally I like how flexible normal hookah hose tubing is. Vinyl tubing seems kinda stiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzT Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I wonder how long a hose should be. I think six feet or less is good. Though smaller hoses draw really nice. I once saw a very old hookah with a 10ft long hose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlakos_politakos Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='IsraelEnigma'][quote name='pavlakos_politakos']i would personally just go out and buy a new hose without the worry of sudden death(lol).and yashman i love that second jar! i gotta try it[/quote] thing is im not the only member here whos used tubing as u can see and as for safety, do u think comercial hoses are any better? pleather,rust etc btw there is at least 1 comercial hose that it is essentially the same as this [/quote] bro that vynil is so much worse!!! plus im too lazy to make my own hose.if youre not as lazy as me and can make your own hose, kool,and more power to ya.but im just LAZY(its a greek thing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Yeah, you Greeks sure are lazy!If Tang says that there's a possibility of death, I'll take his word for it. Not to say that I believe every word he says but he usually has a good sense as to what he's saying. To top it off, it's not worth the 7.99 to risk it (the cost of a brand new MYA hose.)Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Well I'll let you guys know when I die, seeing as how I use vinyl tubing exlusively... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Yash...when you die...can I have your Stargate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='Soup']Yash...when you die...can I have your Stargate?[/quote] For sure. On my deathbed, send your address to my family. They'll take care of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='Yashman19']Well I'll let you guys know when I die, seeing as how I use vinyl tubing exlusively...[/quote]I understand. Your bill of lading is on my clipboard. I believe a painful and debilitating disease is scheduled. Yes. Everything's in order. Distribution will be notified later. Thanks, JMexx. I'm not saying your wrong, Yash. I'm definitely saying I'm not sure. In fact, vinyl hoses, like you are using, may be SAFER than the majority of hookah hoses. Mya, Nour or Tasqeem notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsraelEnigma Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 [quote name='Tangiers'][quote name='Yashman19']Well I'll let you guys know when I die, seeing as how I use vinyl tubing exlusively...[/quote]I understand. Your bill of lading is on my clipboard. I believe a painful and debilitating disease is scheduled. Yes. Everything's in order. Distribution will be notified later. Thanks, JMexx. I'm not saying your wrong, Yash. I'm definitely saying I'm not sure. In fact, vinyl hoses, like you are using, may be SAFER than the majority of hookah hoses. Mya, Nour or Tasqeem notwithstanding. [/quote] thats what i said, i mean ever oppened up a hose and seen the coils? even stainless rusts, btw the sprayer for my sink uses same kind of braided vinyl im currently using, and i cant imagine the pleather in some hoses are any safer i mean hose/hookah makers make sh*t outa aluminum and copper not safe yet we still use em me included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookahDuck Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 why not bypass all of this and draw strait from the hose connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Actually, most Arabic/ Chinese Stainless Steel is not formally stainless steel (that I have seen). Stainless steel is a mix of metal and non-metal, predominantly iron and nickel with carbon thrown in. The crappy stuff is nickle plated steel which will rust around the gaps where the coating doesn't quite make it uniformly too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krew944 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 i was wondering how do you take the tips off the regular hose to put on the custom hose. i tryed taking one off but the coils and everything was stuck and couldnt be taken off very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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