Am I Crazy Or Doess This Sound Right?

[Furyk]

So there is the mystery of life death and gods and I am pretty sure I solved it. Now I know this is going to sound crazy but in theory I would assume its like the theory on evolution in the fact it is not possible to prove wrong. So here it is.

So God is you. You are God. God is your conscience. Your conscience is God and You.
This may seem very awkward but it is true. (I cant spell but hopefully you understand the words I am trying to use) So this would explain why most religions stay within a set of people for the most part. AKA White people are usually christian or some aspect of it.

Arabs are muslims and Indians are hindu or budda. Jews are Jewish. So what happens in most of the religions is one man will either reach nirvana or speak to god or some sense of total understanding. Well most of the time it is when the person is all alone usually in the wild for some odd period of time like How Jesus was tempted in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights and shit.

Well when one is gone from society for too long you start talking to yourself which in some cases your conscience tells you you know like this was wrong you should have been nicer to this person and really allows you to see that you did wrong but you are better then that. Well when you here this voice telling you something you see to be true you might mistake it for you speaking to god because its almost like a narator.

Now that we have the idea that your conscience is your god let me explain that when one who is familiar to you tells a story of a god and how he is there to save them all it gives them a reason to live. Something to have faith in. They may talk to their conscience some time which would result in them believing that god also spoke to them in which would help the spread of a religion and because the storys they tell are familiar to the people around them because like i said its basically racist.

Religion sticks to the people it starts with for the most part but to people who at least can understand and relate too. This is why the stories fit so well for every one so therfor your conscience becomes your god. You see the greatest in your self through your conscience and it tells you to do good just like any other god would. So as you can see where I am going that people might just be mistaken God for their own Conscience but over time the brain is brain washed into believing its a god when really its themselves. So people are their own God and their is a god if you have a conscince and those who dont have one (Choose to ignore theirs) is do to the amount of pain or Knowledge they have that helps them block it out. Which inturn would explain why most drug addict/ alcoholics either dont belive or dont know but of those who recover im going to take a guess that a good chunk of them become very religious because it gives them the reason to live.

Which after all this writing would give me the idea that maybe governments set up religion to help brain wash your conscince because if you were able to block it out then you could turn all of society upside down. This is Crazy I know and yes I am insane but I have come to terms with that and infact I am satisfied with that because if I wasn't well then I would be just another average person which is the one thing I don't want to be.

This theory would also explain why we are all a little racist because our god is our self and our god is better then every one elses so we are better then every one else. Like christians see Jesus as white when in all actuality he was probably Jewish appearence. Now I understand either you will read this and think wow its tupid or thats its absolutley correct and I am a genious that needs to be put into a mental institute.

Either way it explains why we have a conscience which is our God which is us. See if you have ever realised your conscience is the thing that sees who you really are and it sees the good person you want to be. With out a conscience we would all be lost. Our conscince is our god and our god is our conscience which would make 6 billion plus gods in this world.

The gods of the greeks didnt make us for entertainment we made them for entertainment, structure on society, and a reason to live.

Josh Pellinger

[Texico]

So, religion is just one large conspiracy theory? Intriguing.

[Big Boss]

The idea that a person is their own god is Satanism. Worship of the self as a god. Although not to be confused with Lucifarianism.

[Furyk]

The idea that a person is their own god is Satanism. Worship of the self as a god. Although not to be confused with Lucifarianism.

I understand where you are going with that. What I am trying to say I think is almost that religion really is not real. It was our conscience which gave us a reason to live but for those who do believe I was trying to show how your conscience is really the god you worship but that most people don't understand that. So basically every one is kind of Satanism that believes in God they just pretend its the God they hear about or supposedly believe in. Now I am not trying to say don't believe in God. I am a very confused person who has an extremely rough couple of monts here. But for those with open minds like myself I htink you should look into this and give me some feed back. The whole idea I was trying to point out that when you reach the speaking to god or Nirvana or complete understanding stage really its your own self you are speaking to or getting the info from.

[Miles]

Religion is a Social phenomenon that unites like people and builds a community atmosphere. Not as much today as it had been, but in history religion has also been what separated different nations and held individual nations together.


From a young age you are conditioned through religion (and other influences) on how you should act, and the difference between right and wrong, i.e. your conscience. This is not to say that without religion that you would not develop your own set of morals, which is what you meant when you mentioned talking to yourself in the absence of society. Those of us who aren't religious acquire get these morals and our conscience from other sources.

However, by getting our morals from other sources is that disrespecting the teachings of god? Are we saying that we can find our own way without his guidance?


I believe that religion and God are a useful tool to unite people and give them hope. People know that no matter what they are going through they can always pray to god, and rely on the fellow members of their faith for support. That is the power of religion. My problem with religion are those who both take the literal word of the religious teachings, and those who use religion as a ploy to get both wealth and power. During the times of the Roman Empire, the Roman Catholic Church was the most powerful entity in the world, and because of that felt that it could do anything. This lead to vast corruption and a misuse of the original intent of the religion.

Personally I am not the slightest bit religious, but I can see how religion has found a place in many people's lives. Edited August 5, 2008 by Miles

[pigpen]

It sounds to me you experienced what is known as "God Conciousness" or the feeling that everything and everyone is really all one thing - God.

It is interesting to note your idea of everyone being a little racist because of identifying God as self. This kind of awarness can either limit you or expand your perceptions into aknowledging that; if God is self, then everyone is God, therefore there is no race issue because everyone is God.

Aknowledging the oneness of God is the first step to enlightenment. So say the Buddhist. Enlightenment is not a purely Buddhist concept however. In secular society it is often called "finding oneself". Though "finding oneself" is not usually considered a spirital experience, it is not exclusive of spirital meaning.

For the curious - enlightenment is not a magical experience as some believe. Enlightenment is litterally "the ceasing of struggles". You cease to struggle and therefore you are happier in your acknowledgement of all creating and your limited and yet unlimited power with in it. (thats the one sentance explaination)

Where you take your path is up to you.

[Furyk]

It sounds to me you experienced what is known as "God Conciousness" or the feeling that everything and everyone is really all one thing - God.

It is interesting to note your idea of everyone being a little racist because of identifying God as self. This kind of awarness can either limit you or expand your perceptions into aknowledging that; if God is self, then everyone is God, therefore there is no race issue because everyone is God.

Aknowledging the oneness of God is the first step to enlightenment. So say the Buddhist. Enlightenment is not a purely Buddhist concept however. In secular society it is often called "finding oneself". Though "finding oneself" is not usually considered a spirital experience, it is not exclusive of spirital meaning.

For the curious - enlightenment is not a magical experience as some believe. Enlightenment is litterally "the ceasing of struggles". You cease to struggle and therefore you are happier in your acknowledgement of all creating and your limited and yet unlimited power with in it. (thats the one sentance explaination)

Where you take your path is up to you.

Thanks man that was a great post.

[ryno]

I like your thoughts on this. Reminds me of some thoughts I had, that kinda goes with reincarnation.

Your conscience is your spirit in a past life. When you have goto your conscience, you are asking yourself in a past life for experience and guidance. Deja vu ties into this, being that it is the same situation you experienced in a past life, and it comes back to you, knowing that it has happened before.

I really like the idea you have of how all religions lead to the same place, just what route you want to take there, I wish more people were openminded like that

[Furyk]

another great post thanks ryno. I think if we could have people who are highly educated in a certain religion give some more feed back we might be onto somehting huge here. So anybody that knows a great deal about any religion share something that goes along or helps keep the flow of ideas through here.

[Amosb72]

Man that was some crazy thinking
i think about religion a lot b/c i disagree with most of it
however i thought what what u said was awesome

[coplinb]

Furyk, you sir just....blew my mind.

[Brownman18]

I dunno if you read some of the spirtual sides of some eastern religions it makes astral projections and such intrigueing, were monks would leave their bodies as they slept and transcend to higher areas of existance, they would then learn and mediate their.


I would suggest looking up Chakra related study and see were that takes you, might have a nice trip .

I dunno the one fatal flaw i see with all relgiions are when we have individuals declaring themselves living incarnates of gods or saints or monks and them having some form of authority over another.

Should a god exist i would expect him to be much more of an equal opportunity employer lol...

[Bulldog_916]

Trying to bring yourself to a higher plane of existence is good. Praying to a god so you can get goodies in the afterlife is stupid. At that point you're just being selfish about it. "I pray to Jesus so I dont go to Hell." <-- Retarded

I think most religions came about as a way for higher authority to control their masses. It has worked and it has continued to work to this day.

[judgeposer]

I understand where you are going with that. What I am trying to say I think is almost that religion really is not real. It was our conscience which gave us a reason to live but for those who do believe I was trying to show how your conscience is really the god you worship but that most people don't understand that. So basically every one is kind of Satanism that believes in God they just pretend its the God they hear about or supposedly believe in. Now I am not trying to say don't believe in God. I am a very confused person who has an extremely rough couple of monts here. But for those with open minds like myself I htink you should look into this and give me some feed back. The whole idea I was trying to point out that when you reach the speaking to god or Nirvana or complete understanding stage really its your own self you are speaking to or getting the info from.

Emphasis added.

Since you put your point rather succinctly in these two sentences, I will not bother quoting your previous, lengthly post. I'm unsure how you've concluded that religion is not real - perhaps I am confused about what you mean "not real."

another great post thanks ryno. I think if we could have people who are highly educated in a certain religion give some more feed back we might be onto somehting huge here. So anybody that knows a great deal about any religion share something that goes along or helps keep the flow of ideas through here.

I consider myself well informed about my faith; I'm Catholic. I can find only one similarity between Catholicism and what you've said. We can summarize the Church's teaching on conscience in two bullet points: (1) God will hold you accountable according to your own conscience; and (2) you have a duty to form your conscience according to the teachings of the Church.

There is room within these two points to account for someone's ignorance of Church teachings if they cannot for some reason achieve adequate acquaintance of them. These two points do not allow, however, for willful ignorance - the sort produced by someone who refuses to have the Church inform their conscience when that person knows he should.

Quite really. . .I think the relationship between what you've posted and what the Catholic Church teaches amounts to the barest of similarities, of the sort that we must truly strain to see. Edited August 12, 2008 by judgeposer

[Furyk]

Well as I was sitting talking to a good friend of mine some of whom you might know Tarik. He gave me this understanding that maybe your conscience is not your own God but maybe your own image of God. I am still lost with the idea though that God made our image as if we were him. I think the idea of religion is a bit foolish. Now I am not saying the belief in a God is foolish but to let some body govern how you live is a little bit unfair. To some one say hey good Christians do this or true Mulsims fast during this time of the year or to let it govern you in anyway is foolish in my mind. I think that every one was given a life and its up to you how you want to live it but if your too restricted and never have any fun then your wasting yours. If you believe in a God that is alright. I believe that if there is a God he is the same God as in every religion its just that we all have our own dipicted image of him. So I believe in anti religion and make your own God who ever you want him to be because I believe thats the way a real God would want it to be.
Right now I would still say I highly doubt there is a God and its still our Conscience just giving us a reason to live. I also believe if there is a God he will understand this and understand where I am coming from and be perfectly alright with me living up my life the best I can for me instead of for him. If he is not that would be in my opinion selfish of him. Which would lower my standards emidiately. Now I also understand what I have said is selfish but that is alright because I am just a human and thats the way he created us if he is there. If I want to do good it will be on my own. If I do a good job hopefully we will be friends but just the mystery of the whole idea leaves it up to me to understand Live every day like its the only one that was given to you because know one really knows if there will be another one.
Also I hope the things I have said do not affend anyone too much. I understand some of the things I have said could be pretty harsh but with all this understand I am pretty much Bat shit insane. But I can live with that. Edited August 12, 2008 by Furyk

[pigpen]

I dont have time this am to give this post undevided attention. But furyk, I agree with you.
When ever I look into different religions I see all kinds of hypocricy, I was at a Krishna temple a couple of weeks ago. I listened to the monk say how every religion has the same God under different names and how none is more right than the other. i was intruiged for a few minutes but then his speach changed. He described a pyramid and most relgions were at the very bottom. Hindu and Buddhism were near the top but Krishna was at the upper most. He was still pushing the idea that there is only one true religion and he played lipservice to the rest.

To me there is no pyramid - all religions are equal. Period. But until I find one that sees God and religion the way I do I will never align myself with one religion.

[Brownman18]

I dont have time this am to give this post undevided attention. But furyk, I agree with you.
When ever I look into different religions I see all kinds of hypocricy, I was at a Krishna temple a couple of weeks ago. I listened to the monk say how every religion has the same God under different names and how none is more right than the other. i was intruiged for a few minutes but then his speach changed. He described a pyramid and most relgions were at the very bottom. Hindu and Buddhism were near the top but Krishna was at the upper most. He was still pushing the idea that there is only one true religion and he played lipservice to the rest.

To me there is no pyramid - all religions are equal. Period. But until I find one that sees God and religion the way I do I will never align myself with one religion.

He was referencing how alot of said religions have become corrupted and are more of a dog and ponie show much like politics the world over, while all preach peace and love none preach to stop the sell out of other lives at a cost.


The ideals he speaks of were originally apparent in all religions, you can see the major rifts within many religious sects within themselves this is apparent largely in the 3 major abrahmic religions, referencing back to history one can see that each church within each region would fight other regions prompting this major rift in many of the 3 main religions.


Even grouping them together is blasphemy on some levels.

http://www.john1429.org/video/antichrist/Antichrist-128.html

Reference to only one of the three.

look at saudi arabia, religious police? Royal hierachy theocracy in exstance plain and simple which can also be seen the world over in the middle east at each branch of Islam.......


That was his point, the world in general has turned its back on the word of god.

Simple linguistic labels have divided everyone amongst themselves within sub categories of each branch of religion .

Prodestant/Christian/Roman Catholic/Evangelist

Islam- Wahabi/Sunni/Shia etc.

Hinduism - Largely still the dominion of India is horrible Castest while trying to change.

Bhuddism - Tibetan bhudism - > Feudal caste system with the dalai lama on top pre-invasion, japanese feudel Bhudism.. the saran attack on the tunnel..


i could list so many but its pointless, the rift is apparent with a strong control mechanism in each, to add each - highly politics related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_in_Hinduism

Brahman - Brah - Bhakti Yoga was his train of spiritual thought. Edited August 14, 2008 by Brownman18

[pigpen]

I dont have time this am to give this post undevided attention. But furyk, I agree with you.
When ever I look into different religions I see all kinds of hypocricy, I was at a Krishna temple a couple of weeks ago. I listened to the monk say how every religion has the same God under different names and how none is more right than the other. i was intruiged for a few minutes but then his speach changed. He described a pyramid and most relgions were at the very bottom. Hindu and Buddhism were near the top but Krishna was at the upper most. He was still pushing the idea that there is only one true religion and he played lipservice to the rest.

To me there is no pyramid - all religions are equal. Period. But until I find one that sees God and religion the way I do I will never align myself with one religion.

He was referencing how alot of said religions have become corrupted and are more of a dog and ponie show much like politics the world over, while all preach peace and love none preach to stop the sell out of other lives at a cost.


The ideals he speaks of were originally apparent in all religions, you can see the major rifts within many religious sects within themselves this is apparent largely in the 3 major abrahmic religions, referencing back to history one can see that each church within each region would fight other regions prompting this major rift in many of the 3 main religions.


Even grouping them together is blasphemy on some levels.

http://www.john1429.org/video/antichrist/Antichrist-128.html

Reference to only one of the three.

look at saudi arabia, religious police? Royal hierachy theocracy in exstance plain and simple which can also be seen the world over in the middle east at each branch of Islam.......


That was his point, the world in general has turned its back on the word of god.

Simple linguistic labels have divided everyone amongst themselves within sub categories of each branch of religion .

Prodestant/Christian/Roman Catholic/Evangelist

Islam- Wahabi/Sunni/Shia etc.

Hinduism - Largely still the dominion of India is horrible Castest while trying to change.

Bhuddism - Tibetan bhudism - > Feudal caste system with the dalai lama on top pre-invasion, japanese feudel Bhudism.. the saran attack on the tunnel..


i could list so many but its pointless, the rift is apparent with a strong control mechanism in each, to add each - highly politics related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_in_Hinduism

Brahman - Brah - Bhakti Yoga was his train of spiritual thought.

Yes and no. You are correct to a degree But the monks description was more along the lines of Christianity et al are kindegarten, Buddhism and Hinduism middle school but Krishna is Graduate school.

This is still the idea that only Hare Krishna was worthy of attention based on its higher view of meaning in God. This is an elitist position. It is this elitisim that drives me away.

Its like saying "all people are created equal, but you are more equal if you practice Hare Krishna".

Equal is equal without reservation. If you struggle with your spirituality, you will do so no matter what religion you claim to be. It matters not. Struggle is struggle. But in every religion are the tools to help one overcome their struggles. EVERY religion offers a true path to enlightenment. Getting there is up to the individual.

[Brownman18]

I dont have time this am to give this post undevided attention. But furyk, I agree with you.
When ever I look into different religions I see all kinds of hypocricy, I was at a Krishna temple a couple of weeks ago. I listened to the monk say how every religion has the same God under different names and how none is more right than the other. i was intruiged for a few minutes but then his speach changed. He described a pyramid and most relgions were at the very bottom. Hindu and Buddhism were near the top but Krishna was at the upper most. He was still pushing the idea that there is only one true religion and he played lipservice to the rest.

To me there is no pyramid - all religions are equal. Period. But until I find one that sees God and religion the way I do I will never align myself with one religion.

He was referencing how alot of said religions have become corrupted and are more of a dog and ponie show much like politics the world over, while all preach peace and love none preach to stop the sell out of other lives at a cost.


The ideals he speaks of were originally apparent in all religions, you can see the major rifts within many religious sects within themselves this is apparent largely in the 3 major abrahmic religions, referencing back to history one can see that each church within each region would fight other regions prompting this major rift in many of the 3 main religions.


Even grouping them together is blasphemy on some levels.

http://www.john1429.org/video/antichrist/Antichrist-128.html

Reference to only one of the three.

look at saudi arabia, religious police? Royal hierachy theocracy in exstance plain and simple which can also be seen the world over in the middle east at each branch of Islam.......


That was his point, the world in general has turned its back on the word of god.

Simple linguistic labels have divided everyone amongst themselves within sub categories of each branch of religion .

Prodestant/Christian/Roman Catholic/Evangelist

Islam- Wahabi/Sunni/Shia etc.

Hinduism - Largely still the dominion of India is horrible Castest while trying to change.

Bhuddism - Tibetan bhudism - > Feudal caste system with the dalai lama on top pre-invasion, japanese feudel Bhudism.. the saran attack on the tunnel..


i could list so many but its pointless, the rift is apparent with a strong control mechanism in each, to add each - highly politics related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_in_Hinduism

Brahman - Brah - Bhakti Yoga was his train of spiritual thought.

Yes and no. You are correct to a degree But the monks description was more along the lines of Christianity et al are kindegarten, Buddhism and Hinduism middle school but Krishna is Graduate school.

This is still the idea that only Hare Krishna was worthy of attention based on its higher view of meaning in God. This is an elitist position. It is this elitisim that drives me away.

Its like saying "all people are created equal, but you are more equal if you practice Hare Krishna".

Equal is equal without reservation. If you struggle with your spirituality, you will do so no matter what religion you claim to be. It matters not. Struggle is struggle. But in every religion are the tools to help one overcome their struggles. EVERY religion offers a true path to enlightenment. Getting there is up to the individual.

I agree with that.

But just by viewing the above and his train of thought then it becomes a bit more clearer.

His position was flawed, but having lived in the third world with the wealthy first world and arab nations he was probably guaranteed to be biased, but you have to look past his bias and just view the information at hand and make your own interpretation, not just turn away because you saw his motive, and neglect his message.

Also things to keep in mind, he wouldn't judge based on your actions or mine moreso along the lines of the powerful figurehands which do to an extent control the flow of information in each sect/subsect/ religious idealogy.
Edited August 14, 2008 by Brownman18

[pigpen]

Brownman - your point is that the monk is human (born and raised in utah as a matter of fact). My point is that if one looks beyond the flawed delivery of the human messanger ALL religions have at their heart a true basis for overcoming our very humanity.
But I have been driving all day and I am shattered.
I am probably missing something important.

[gaia.plateau]

You're crazy. Sorry.

[judgeposer]

You're crazy. Sorry.

At least someone said it...finally.

[Furyk]

i am honored you think im crazy you guys

[judgeposer]

i am honored you think im crazy you guys

I should clarify. . . I don't think you're really crazy, of course. I meant that this thread has certainly devolved into a bit of craziness. Your initial ideas, I would say, were a bit 'out there' for my persuasion.

In some sense I think you're onto something when you said " So God is you. You are God. God is your conscience. Your conscience is God and You." - in your first post.

While I do not believe that we are in any sense divine or have divine capacities, we have the responsibility of forming our conscience and to form the consciences of others, say, small children we care for. So, to join our consciences with our persuasions, likes, dislikes, weaknesses and our strenths, is, in a small way correct.

I subscribe the the traditional Aristotilean idea of habituating virtue (by nothing more than practice) - for conscience formation, we look to sources of information on right and wrong. Some use a church (as I do in the Catholic Church), but others can as easily select some more hedonistic reference points towards which they orient themselves (e.g., pop-culture, literature, their own laziness or concupiscience, etc.)

[Brownman18]

err post retraction.


not quite sure what it could have accomplished anyway.

Edited August 23, 2008 by Brownman18