Mccain's Candidacy

[Giant Ninja Robot]

Not at all, my wife was a wed teenage mother and we were still treated like garbage by our conservative christian community so I completely sympathise, I have no problem with the daughter herself, just with what seems to be an inconsistency in the whole "family values" package that is supposedly being represented by the repubs...I will say that it is being handled well by Palin in her public messages about the family supporting the daughter.

I never said I was voting against anyone for anything ??? You confused me on that one Jez... I was speaking of you guys defending the choice of Palin in general not in the context of her pregnant daughter.

I don't think anyone is a deviant and we aren't talking about a normal family here, we're talking about the family of a woman running for VP of our nation, thats what I'm trying to capture here.

[jezter6]

GNR: No, you didn't say you were voting against them FOR this issue.
But as a known liberal/Dem supporter -- you rally around this for your cause as a reason to vote for Obama because obviously the Repubs can't keep their own lives together.

... if Palin can't keep her own family adhering to her beliefs and systems how could we trust her with the presidency ...

Of all the stupid reasons why someone can't hold public office - you're throwing around a pregnant teenage child? You are incapable of being a leader because you have a rebellious, unruly child?

Obama's an admitted drug user - but our potential VP has a daughter who likes to get a little freaky, so Obama FTW??

All logic is lost on this one.

[NarghileNights]

why would conservatives defend the choice? she is clearly a great choice because she has stirred the hard core emotional liberals into a frenzy.

you have to remember that 90% of the time conservatives don't come out of the closet because it makes more sense to stay quiet and not be ridiculed and not have to deal with the emotional fire of the liberals.

conservatives are realistic and logical. liberals are idealistic and emotional.

[Giant Ninja Robot]

So I've learned something from you guys... Emotion = Weakness

What utter bullshit, and I'm sorry that you are so uncomfortable with what it is to be human/man that you would consider emotion a weakness.

Idealism = weakness

Sorry if I'm not content with the status quo and would like to see things better off then they currently are, I do not consider that weakness I consider it humane, hopeful, and progressive.

Call me crazy bit wouldnt it be nice if the idealistic reality at the end of the idealism rainbow was MADE reality through the policies of a party that sees how fucked up we've become thanks to Georgy and the republicans? I'll take that over settling for the crap we're in now anyday.

Nights she's stirred my pot because I feel it's complete and utter pandering to the Clinton voters who have waffled in support of Obama, like hey here's a woman vote for us. we're making history too! It insults my intelligence to assume she is the best candidate for the job and would have been chosen if McCain was running against anyone other than Obama (or in some alternate universe Clinton). Not because she is anything resembling qualified.

Maybe this will illustrate more clearly why I feel as I do about Palin...to paraphrase the situation - None of you can make the decision to abort a baby (even due to rape or incest) under my rule taking into account my staunch anti-abortion stance but my daughter has been allowed to make HER decision (implying she had the option to choose otherwise and she made it on her own).

Let it be known that I don't support abortion but I support a woman's right to choose her own path in life. THIS is why I think this situation is a plausible cause to question Palin, not as a person, but as a leader and politician. Hypocrisy? I feel it is.

Jez, I'm not for drug abuse but not everyone feels that expanding ones horizons or experimenting in the only life we have using drugs in a once in a while fashion is a bad thing. Oh, and I've never even done drugs not even NHT and I still hold this opinion. So frankly yeah I think the way one handles his/her family is more important and is more telling of character than if one uses NHT or other drugs now and again.

[TheScotsman]

So I've learned something from you guys... Emotion = Weakness

What utter bullshit, and I'm sorry that you are so uncomfortable with what it is to be human/man that you would consider emotion a weakness.

Idealism = weakness

Sorry if I'm not content with the status quo and would like to see things better off then they currently are, I do not consider that weakness I consider it humane, hopeful, and progressive.

Call me crazy bit wouldnt it be nice if the idealistic reality at the end of the idealism rainbow was MADE reality through the policies of a party that sees how fucked up we've become thanks to Georgy and the republicans? I'll take that over settling for the crap we're in now anyday.

Nights she's stirred my pot because I feel it's complete and utter pandering to the Clinton voters who have waffled in support of Obama, like hey here's a woman vote for us. we're making history too! It insults my intelligence to assume she is the best candidate for the job and would have been chosen if McCain was running against anyone other than Obama (or in some alternate universe Clinton). Not because she is anything resembling qualified.

Maybe this will illustrate more clearly why I feel as I do about Palin...to paraphrase the situation - None of you can make the decision to abort a baby (even due to rape or incest) under my rule taking into account my staunch anti-abortion stance but my daughter has been allowed to make HER decision (implying she had the option to choose otherwise and she made it on her own).

Let it be known that I don't support abortion but I support a woman's right to choose her own path in life. THIS is why I think this situation is a plausible cause to question Palin, not as a person, but as a leader and politician. Hypocrisy? I feel it is.

Jez, I'm not for drug abuse but not everyone feels that expanding ones horizons or experimenting in the only life we have using drugs in a once in a while fashion is a bad thing. Oh, and I've never even done drugs not even NHT and I still hold this opinion. So frankly yeah I think the way one handles his/her family is more important and is more telling of character than if one uses NHT or other drugs now and again.

Good gawd, get off the abortion kool-aid, it's just media BS to keep you from seeing any real issues.

The president does not have the power to overturn a supreme court decision on constitutionality, that would take a Constitutional Convention, and a 2/3 majority of the states... not going to happen. Even a revisit of the ruling would be unlikely, it would take a case presented to the court. Congress can rewrite a law in an attempt to circumvent a ruling, but then your worry is congress, not the president.

You talk about some 17YO bimbett's stupidity like it's something big (and not a "too common" happening these days.) yet don't mention Hussein Obama was born of the same type of relationship. You ignore the fact the Liberal VP's sons and brother are under investigation for a multi-million dollar hedge fund "investment" from Biden's biggest political donor, a law firm specializing in asbestos cases. All the while, that same firm was steering clients to a law firm employing Biden's other son. Just to make it funnier some junk-bonds from foreign banks get floated in to add to the confusion. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...2302200_pf.html

Biden is the same old democrat-corruption we have seen since FDR. Only change here is what will be left in your pocket when these guys are done raping you for every schilling they can. How can you take pot-shots at Palin when you have some giant international lobbyist corruption going on with Biden? Do you think a preggers 17 year old is worse than an international money laundering, and lobbyist corruption/bribery scheme? Wow... amazing. Silly, and unreasonable... but amazing.

Biden has reported what, 7+ million from the lobby over the last 20 years. Palin has taken what? zero, nada, zip... how about McCain? Well, you still have a zero. But, ya, a preggo 17 year old is the end of the damn world. (I, myself don't have a dog in the abortion race, but if I had to pick, I would be pro-choice. pro-lifers are daft if they think that 19th century morality applies today.)

While we drown in the media kool-aid, no one pays attention to the fact N. Korea is restarting their enrichment program, Russia is on the loose, and Obama wants to get all of the troops out of Iraq so we can use the Arabic translators in Afghanistan. (never mind Afghanis don't speak Arabic, Hey, maybe there are some Iraqi tourists that need directions there, who knows?)

Palin's not qualified for a VP, yet Obama votes "present" because he is unable to commit to a decision. Palin is not qualified to be a vice pres, but Obamessiah's qualification for president is making it to the senate 134 times, being a member of the congress with the lowest approval rating EVER... and out of 129 bills he proposed, only 9 made it out of committee, worse yet only 1 was enacted. Where do you figure a Governor of the largest state in the union is less qualified for an executive position than a single-law-junior-senator? I don't understand the logic.

The Dems make a big deal out of her husband's DUI ticket, but fail to make mention of Chappaquiddick... I would bet Mary Jo would think that funny, if drunk-dem teddy hadn't fled the scene leaving her to drown as a result of his DUI. But, Ok, lets compare a 22 year old driving after legal use of alcohol as an equivalent of using substances not legal to posess. How can anyone with an ounce of sense think them comparable?

Emotion does not equal weakness, nor is idealism a weakness, but inability to look at your own side with the same fine-lens as you look at the other is self-delusion to the worst degree.

Keep the gov't out of my pockets, my garage, my business, and my pants and I am happy.

[Bulldog_916]

So I've learned something from you guys... Emotion = Weakness

What utter bullshit, and I'm sorry that you are so uncomfortable with what it is to be human/man that you would consider emotion a weakness.

Idealism = weakness

Sorry if I'm not content with the status quo and would like to see things better off then they currently are, I do not consider that weakness I consider it humane, hopeful, and progressive.

Call me crazy bit wouldnt it be nice if the idealistic reality at the end of the idealism rainbow was MADE reality through the policies of a party that sees how fucked up we've become thanks to Georgy and the republicans? I'll take that over settling for the crap we're in now anyday.

Nights she's stirred my pot because I feel it's complete and utter pandering to the Clinton voters who have waffled in support of Obama, like hey here's a woman vote for us. we're making history too! It insults my intelligence to assume she is the best candidate for the job and would have been chosen if McCain was running against anyone other than Obama (or in some alternate universe Clinton). Not because she is anything resembling qualified.

Maybe this will illustrate more clearly why I feel as I do about Palin...to paraphrase the situation - None of you can make the decision to abort a baby (even due to rape or incest) under my rule taking into account my staunch anti-abortion stance but my daughter has been allowed to make HER decision (implying she had the option to choose otherwise and she made it on her own).

Let it be known that I don't support abortion but I support a woman's right to choose her own path in life. THIS is why I think this situation is a plausible cause to question Palin, not as a person, but as a leader and politician. Hypocrisy? I feel it is.

Jez, I'm not for drug abuse but not everyone feels that expanding ones horizons or experimenting in the only life we have using drugs in a once in a while fashion is a bad thing. Oh, and I've never even done drugs not even NHT and I still hold this opinion. So frankly yeah I think the way one handles his/her family is more important and is more telling of character than if one uses NHT or other drugs now and again.

I could not have said it better myself.

Jez, I do like Obama, like you didnt know that. I feel like the man is the next JFK/Ronald Reagan. More JFK than Reagan, but that's okay. Sure, he stumbles over his words, but we all do that in casual conversation. I dont know if you have ever been the subject of rapid-fire questioning in which you have to give an answer that is educated and at the same time free of jargon, but it isnt easy. I took Public Speaking courses in college and it wasnt easy in front of your CLASSMATES let alone a camera and a nation-wide audience of millions. He's gotta be careful and parse his words in this YouTube generation. That probably requires a lot of umms and uhhs. There is no time for a deep breath and a closed eye moment to contemplate your answer. You're flying by the seat of your pants.

I would rather have "Change and Hope" than "Vote Scared, Vote Familiar, and Vote POW." It's like Biden said, the repubs have been nothing lately but "a noun, a verb, and 9/11". McCain's excuse for everything is "I was a POW. I'm a military man, vote for me. I understand war." I havent heard anything in the RNC related to a plan of action to solve the economic crisis, the energy crisis (besides drill our way out of it), Iraq, Russia, the crumbling health system, our disasterous infrastructure, how to cope with climate change, etc. Not a single damn thing. All it is is "Cut Taxes, Obama is the tax man (flies in the face of his tax plan for 95% of the middle class), drill drill drill, win the war in Iraq ('Win' meaning get kicked out by the Iraqis), be scared of the terrorists, give us more power." That is IT. Sorry, but I cant vote for the party without a plan. Edited September 4, 2008 by Bulldog_916

[jezter6]

GNR: Palin's nomination is an obvious pander to Clinton supporters. We all admit it. That's one of the points of a VP nomination is to pander to an audience unreachable by the main candidate. Poly Sci 101 man.

And I'm with Scotsman - everyone off the abortion kool-aid. I love how you libs slam the shit out of Palin because she used the word choice and you guys jump up and down on the pro-choice bandwagon. Sadly, I hate to inform you all but there are MORE than 2 choices. It's not just killing babies or keeping babies - there's that sneaky 3rd choice called adoption. I guess they don't teach that option in the liberal media because it doesn't fit the model.

As for boulder: I'm glad you think he's the Obamessiah. Go preach this 'change' motto all you want. Nobody's buying it. The only change we all see in our paycheck under Obama and how broke we'll all be. I love how he's claiming he wants to make things better with tax relief for people - yet he's also proposing ungodly amounts of spending - including 150 million in additional foreign aid - which is a number larger than NASA's line item on our own budget - and we're just giving it away to all the poor people overseas - when we have poor people here.

I'm going to keep my money in my own bank account thanks. If you want to give 150 million in aid - why don't you libs take it out of Obama's treasury instead of taking out of my wallet? Or how bout this - how bout YOU guys pay for it and let the rest of us keep our money. How bout you all step it up and volunteer your money for them? Save the foreigns and the Americans??

Oh wait - I don't see any libs jumping up and down to give your own money away, you want all the rich republicans to fund your lives. Nice. Real nice.

[Giant Ninja Robot]

A - Yes adoption IS an option we're not idiots Jez, but it should still be a woman's choice...PERIOD. - it's not koolaid to talk of something relevant and in the news. And not all of us even pay much attention to the liberal media or any for that matter. I love this mindset that we MUST be brainwashed or something to believe what we do and that we can't think for ourselves.

B - Or we could all fund a war that never should have happened and that takes our economy into the shitter and our nation from surplus to extreme debt and recession/depression including the fall of the US dollar and loss of respect and trust from the rest of the free world. We could spend our hard earned money and tax dollars that way....Yeah instead of doing something kind and humane to help the human race for a paltry 150 million and realize the world is bigger than this nation alone why don't we spend BILLIONS on the Iraq war. Yes we are completely unwilling to give our money for a just cause just look at the way Obama's campaign was funded, nothing but big corporate companies not a single plain old liberal.

C - I guess you have a different perspective when you're broke as hell as is and are trying to raise a family up into a society that has a semblance of the values and tolerance you wish your children to see and experience. Money isnt everything, I came to terms with that long ago and I was raised in a well to do family with a military employed lawyer for a father. He makes a shitton and my mother makes crap as a social worker for the state. Guess who I'm more proud to call my parent? Quality of life and liberty matters just as much if not more than personal gain and greed.

D - Why would you consider it important to help the poor people here if it's all us liberal broke asses and pregnant unwed teens...Go third world man then tell me the American "poor" is poor. We have many programs and opportunities for people to get back on their feet here not so much in a nation where the resources just frankly don't exist. I used to be homeless and am doing quite well now by comparison so I know this first hand. We're still "in poverty" by the numbers but are working hard and supporting a fam. When I was homeless I had lost all systems of support I had relied on including family and friends. Try being ostracised by everyone you know and rely on in Africa and see how easy it is to make it without aid.

Gimme a fund that ensures my money goes to the right place and I'd be glad to give, after the basic needs, not overspending wants, of my family are taken care of.

[jezter6]

A - Yes adoption IS an option we're not idiots Jez, but it should still be a woman's choice...PERIOD. - it's not koolaid to talk of something relevant and in the news. And not all of us even pay much attention to the liberal media or any for that matter. I love this mindset that we MUST be brainwashed or something to believe what we do and that we can't think for ourselves.

I never said anything about what it should and shouldn't be - I'm commenting that you used Palin's word 'choice' to mean ABORTION - which in fact does not. Sipping the kool-aid, everyone jumps to the conclusion that choice means abortion - even though there is another way.

B - Or we could all fund a war that never should have happened and that takes our economy into the shitter and our nation from surplus to extreme debt and recession/depression including the fall of the US dollar and loss of respect and trust from the rest of the free world. We could spend our hard earned money and tax dollars that way....Yeah instead of doing something kind and humane to help the human race for a paltry 150 million and realize the world is bigger than this nation alone why don't we spend BILLIONS on the Iraq war. Yes we are completely unwilling to give our money for a just cause just look at the way Obama's campaign was funded, nothing but big corporate companies not a single plain old liberal.

Am I glad we got an insane dictator out of power? Yes. Do I really think we should have went to this fake ass 'war' over it? No! But, we did a greater good, and I'm not happy that we spent way too long in our version of Vietnam. However, I support war to remove insane dictators more than I support sending cash to undeserving countries.

C - I guess you have a different perspective when you're broke as hell as is and are trying to raise a family up into a society that has a semblance of the values and tolerance you wish your children to see and experience. Money isnt everything, I came to terms with that long ago and I was raised in a well to do family with a military employed lawyer for a father. He makes a shitton and my mother makes crap as a social worker for the state. Guess who I'm more proud to call my parent? Quality of life and liberty matters just as much if not more than personal gain and greed.

I've been poor man. I've watched an UNGODLY portion of a meager paycheck go to the government. When I was barely surving, my money was being taken out to support my neighbor, who lived on welfare and did not work at all. Sorry, but when I can't afford to feed MY family because I'm paying to feed yours - I've got a problem with that. (And by yours - that's not a direct attack at you - but sorry - if I'm paying for it, I get mine first)

I'm more proud to call my own military father my parent because he sacrificed his entire career and his life for this country and the freedom to even discuss this without the NSA swooping down and killing us both.

D - Why would you consider it important to help the poor people here if it's all us liberal broke asses and pregnant unwed teens...Go third world man then tell me the American "poor" is poor. We have many programs and opportunities for people to get back on their feet here not so much in a nation where the resources just frankly don't exist. I used to be homeless and am doing quite well now by comparison so I know this first hand. We're still "in poverty" by the numbers but are working hard and supporting a fam. When I was homeless I had lost all systems of support I had relied on including family and friends. Try being ostracised by everyone you know and rely on in Africa and see how easy it is to make it without aid.

Because your're Americans! Faulty view aside, patriotism and family values should take precedence over sending money to people you don't know, who aren't going to help you form a better society. Just because you're a liberal doesn't mean I hate you - it means that with two sides, we can think about our issues, hammer them out, and come up with the greater good. And the reason we have so many resources is because *I* pay for them. Out of my own pocket. INVOLUNTARILY.

Gimme a fund that ensures my money goes to the right place and I'd be glad to give, after the basic needs, not overspending wants, of my family are taken care of.

Exactly!!!!! I'd be more willing to voluntarily contribute to a program that goes to the right place, however I do not trust our government to make that decision. I do NOT trust Barack Obama to make that decision for me either. I want the opportunity to make my own decision of what kind of free aid I'm willing to give to someone - just like you. However you support FORCED donations from every paycheck to the worlds MOST improperly managed aid organization in the world -- the US Governement.

So instead of making the decisions for me, I'm voting for someone who doesn't want to give my money away to other people and giving ME more money to choose what I want to do with.

[judgeposer]

In an effort to reorient the discussion, I'd like to share my thoughts on Palin, and the several days of news that has transpired between the OP and now.

After Palin's speech last night, Conservatives and rank and file Republicans seemed thrilled by McCain's selection. McCain must feel vindicated by the outpouring of admiration of most in his party and overwhelming positive commentary from most news coverage of her speech last night.

McCain's pick was, as anyone's, including Sen. Obama's, strategic in the sense that Gov. Palin supplements McCain's conservative bona fides much in the same way Sen. Biden supplements the Democratic ticket's experience gap. I do not think that Sen. McCain calculated the pick to appeal to disaffected Clinton voters because there exists sharp policy contrasts between Gov. Palin and Sen. Clinton. To assume otherwise, to me, seems to demean the reasonableness of Sen. Clinton's supporters (while also casting as equally unreasonable the McCain campaign for expecting to attract these same supporters). We can all feign "insult" if we assume that McCain truly attempted to capture Sen. Clinton's supporters by selecting a woman running mate, but really, is this reasonable when the two women, Sen. Clinton and Gov. Palin have such divergent politics--it would seem patently unreasonable to expect to attract a decent share of disaffected Clinton voters. (Why multiply our entitles unnecessarily or to the point of overcomplication? So, instead of assume unreasonableness on the part of Sen. Clinton's supporters and Sen. McCain, let's just assume reasonablenss all around) Put another way, I don't believe McCain thought he'd scoop up Clinton votes simply because he selected a woman--the two are too different! That isn't to say that the McCain campaign will not experience some benefit from selecting a woman Vice Presidential candidate, just that it would be unreasonable to assume that her gender rested foremost in his consideration. Of course those Sen. Clinton supporters to whom we can attribute their support merely because of her gender might now vote McCain, but I wouldn't want to diminish the overall reasonableness of her supporters by assuming that simply because of her gender they planned to vote for her.

Now, about the supposed experience of the contenders - I believe we should re-frame experience to mean the impact or change attributable to each candidate rather than consider experience to equal the amount of time spent in any one particular job. So far we've seen measurements of experience to include one that weighs a candidate's time in Washington. Another weighs experience relative to a candidate's executive experience. I suggest that we consider the respective impact the candidates have had in their government posts rather than the geographic location of their service or the length of time they each served. A measurement of experience that accounts for the impact or achievement accomplished seems, to me, a more holistic, more comprehensive measurement since neither location of service nor length of service give us reasonable predictions of future performance. Under this measurement, long-serving politicians would indeed have a longer service record from which we could extrapolate achievement, but their long service records would not necessarily render them qualified, especially if they've served without distinction. On the other hand, politicians serving fewer years would, while comparably disadvantaged by their brief length of service, nonetheless be recognized for promise from their brief tenure by serving with significant impact or achievement. In either instance we'd be measuring the quality of a candidate's contribution, not necessarily just their length of service or where they happened to effect his/her service.

Now, how do the candidates measure? Edited September 4, 2008 by judgeposer

[boulderkid303]

I'm picking the lesser of the 2 evil's. Barack, that and the fact I believe in him. Also you people should respect him and call him by his actual name.

[Zabiela]

Also you people should respect him and call him by his actual name.

What has that got to do with respect?


If it has anything to do with respect, then it is very superficial. I don't think which name you choose to address someone by defines how you consider them.


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I hate Sarah, with a passion. I havent heard one thing about her that hasnt pissed me off. Yesterday I was hearing a story about how when she became mayor of Wasilla, she submitted a request to have certain not-christian-enough books removed from the PUBLIC library. The head librarian refused, Sarah fired her. The citizens heavily protested the firing, and the librarian got her job back.

She's crazy religious, like mentally insane status. She wants bibles in schools, and seriously 100% believes that god created the earth in 7 magical days.

I dont understand how people can believe things like that. I just dont.


Also, on the topic of her family, 5 kids is 3 too many you overpopulating bitch. Edited September 5, 2008 by Zabiela

[TheScotsman]

Experience... Hmmmm look up that "fine" organization b. Hussein O was a community organizer for. It's easy, It's called ACORN. Talk about a picture of voter fraud, and corruption, and misuse of public money, this group is exactly the type of corruption we hear about not wanting in politics. Funny how the media doesn't even mention it, but since we are looking at experience, it's fair game.

Here is the organization b. Hussein obama "organized" for:
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/0...k_under_ob.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=73335
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=73335
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/25/the-acorn-obama-knows/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/0..._more_subs.html
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/07/28...from-charities/

The list goes on for pages... includes everything from federal voter fraud indictments to stealing between 40 and 80% of it's funding from YOUR paycheck. Don't tell me how broke you are when you want to elect someone who steers your tax money away from helping anyone... and to a collection of cockroaches like this. Time to turn the lights on and watch the bastards scurry into some dark corner. Being an "Organizer" for a group like this is a real plus for the experience column. And you think someone not wanting

Banning a book with an openly gay agenda & message from common & open display at the request of voters seems reasonable. The original request came as a petition from voters (ya, may only have been 2 but who knows). Some garbage books don't need to be in child-available collections. What, next you want the MBLA handbook in with the Mother Goose stories?

Politicians are all public figures, as it goes, we have heard the far left call every conservative names for years, I guess as long as the media continues to worship obama, then he can be the obamessiah. After all, we have listened to Al Frankenstein and the like using derogatory names for everyone from Gen Petraeus to Nancy Regan. I guess if it's OK for them, it's OK for Hussein!

[HookahDude831]

obama is a terrorist, and a radical muslim.

if you hate america vote for obama.

[Balthazar]

obama is a terrorist, and a radical muslim.

Are you for real, or are you joking? Seriously, I can't tell.

[TheScotsman]

Ah, today's lesson in obamanation's "experience"

Check out the organization he and mrs.messiah founded.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N...jYxNWI4YWYwZDU=
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editori...305420655186700

"Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare." Don't flame me, I just poached the quote. Ya, that's what we need in this country, obamessiah's $500 billion program to sign illegal aliens up for the dole.

obamamessiah wants to fund this corrupt, anti-American, racialy-biased organization with $500,000,000,000.00 of American taxpayer money, then you are going to tell me how broke you are and need to support this fool for president. Just who do you think is going to get that $500,000,000,000.00 bill? Reality sucks, eh?

Yet someone says there is no media bias... and you know the names of all the children, the boyfriend who got some 17 year old knocked up, and an insane librarian yet you haven't heard of "public allies" or "Acorn". It shows how easily the American sheeple are lead around. NY times has 67 articles attacking Palin, and her family in 3 days, just go to their site and search for "ACORN" or "PUBLIC ALLIES". Hell, I'll save you a few minutes. There are zero mentions of either of these obama-centric organizations. Hmmm... no bias, ok, just keep telling yourself that, then wipe that kool-aid stain off your face, it's making you look like the joker. I am seeing a pattern to obamanation's experience, it seems it is 100% anti-American, anti-taxpayer, and completely government-dependency.

**** and it just keeps getting deeper ****
Here terrorist/terrorist sympathizer obamanation is sitting on a board with admitted terrorist bomber whe attacked the USA.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231
And we find a disturbing connection between the Arab-American Action Network (who received a big $ grant from NObama's Woods Fund) and a collection of well known American-funded terrorist/wannabe-terrorist-wankers calling themselves Ógra Shinn Féin (youth of ourselves). One thing we can assert... terrorists seem drawn to each other. http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/12/...on-network.html

And more ACORNs just keep falling from the BO nut-tree.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/clyne200410311142.asp Edited September 5, 2008 by TheScotsman

[HookahDude831]

obama is a terrorist, and a radical muslim.

Are you for real, or are you joking? Seriously, I can't tell.

no he was born and raised by his mother in muslim countries,

his pastor of 20 years teaches black separatism and white guilt.

fuck that, my family came from italy and was treated like shit, we never owned slaves? so why should i feel guilty?

oh yea if he wins he will raise tobacco tax to, so if you like low shisha prices consider the options.

[Balthazar]

Who said you should feel guilty for anything? Look, I hope you realize that "he was born and raised by his mother in muslim countries" doesn't exactly hold water as a argument when you're claiming that he is a "terrorist, and a radical muslim". If not I see no point in arguing with you. Not saying you should vote democratic. Just that "extremist" or "terrorist" are cheap shots, and about as accurate as labeling Mccain as a Nazi.

Oh, and the day I let tobacco taxes decide who I vote for ... well, for my own sake, I hope I never see that day. (Also: I don't live in the US, so I can't vote in your election )

Edit: cheap not chap. Edited September 5, 2008 by Balthazar

[melanko]

Well I watched a good bit of McCain's speech yesterday. And that pretty much solidified my vote for Obama for one good reason, the audience attending the republican convention. Whenever the focus was off McCain, I saw three main groups:

1. War Veterans
2. Dudes in Cowboy Hats
3. Rich white people

I cannot place myself in any of those categories, beyond just being white. I might as well be from the distant land of Caucasia.

no he was born and raised by his mother in muslim countries,

Also, that is a straight up lie. You must not know American Government very well but you have to have been born in the United States to qualify for the President. Edited September 5, 2008 by melanko

[Giant Ninja Robot]

QUIT BEING FUCKING RACIST!!!!!!!!

NOTHING BOTHERS ME MORE THAN AN IGNORANT PREJUDICIAL PERSON!!!!!

WHERE A PERSON IS FROM, WHAT COLOR OR SEX THEY ARE, AND WHAT A PERSON'S FUCKING MIDDLE NAME IS HAVE NO BEARING ON WHO A PERSON IS!!!!!!

DONT EVEN FUCKING COMMENT IF YOU'RE GONNA SPREAD RACIAL OR ANY OTHER PREJUDICIAL HATE!!!!!

I know this is an extreme post and if a mod sees it as an issue I'll gladly take some time off for it. Verbally punching racist idiots is worth it in my book. Fucking hell.....Seriously this is a fucking HOOKAH forum. Hookahs are of middle eastern decent, and guess what religion is predominant in most of the middle-east? You should have your hookah taken away....

[HookahDude831]

i love to see how you all get very bothered out of quick mindless comments.

[melanko]

i love to see how you all get very bothered out of quick mindless comments.

HAHA, GOOD ONE

[Giant Ninja Robot]

the cat with cheese on his head is making me lol

[judgeposer]

Well I watched a good bit of McCain's speech yesterday. And that pretty much solidified my vote for Obama for one good reason, the audience attending the republican convention. Whenever the focus was off McCain, I saw three main groups:

1. War Veterans
2. Dudes in Cowboy Hats
3. Rich white people

I cannot place myself in any of those categories, beyond just being white. I might as well be from the distant land of Caucasia.

Wait - so, because you don't resemble any of the faces/lives of the people a media outlet has chosen to cameo during a speech by a presidential candidate, you wouldn't vote for that candidate? That is also assuming of course you rightly construed those cameo-d? Edited September 6, 2008 by judgeposer

[ghostofdavid]

Hello guys... an old time member here.. I couldn't resist the passionate discussion of philosophy and politics.

The media seems to be terribly biased.... towards sensationalism and towards profit. If it can be glittered and bedazzled with bullshit rhetoric and made to sound titillating, then it will be done so. Rather than using the first amendment as a tool to chisel through the doublespeak and nonsense politicians say and factcheck their speaking, the media is using Obama's crazy black activist preacher and Sarah Palin's rebellious daughter as fodder to ignore the real issues at hand. I can't say they are completely at fault because most people are overly concerned about what Celebrity A wore to Awards Show B than where their tax dollars are going.

How many of us attend town hall meetings, discuss local politics at a grassroots level. To you Americans, can you even name your state's Governors and Senators? Most people can't. Do you know what kinds of laws are passing locally? What are you doing to change the laws you don't like?

Conservative Republicans want to wipe their ass with the constitution, Liberal Democrats want to spend every upper class (What is considered upperclass? It seems to me like most of what people define as middle class... the wife and I have a combined income of less than 45K a year... are we "upper class"? Hell no!) dollar on inefficient charitable acts that nonprofit and religious institutions should be doing.

Charity is no longer a virtue when it is forced on the masses in the form of a tax. If you don't like the way healthcare operates, go down and give your local hospital a few bucks a month because you want to help out. The next time you go to the doctor's office, ask the office manager if there is a single mother who does not have health insurance who needs help with their 250 dollar visit. I guarantee you they'll be ecstatic that someone in their community is helping and it will be cheaper than 'universal health care' (let's call it what it really is, socialized medicine).

Voting for someone because they're black, a woman, a war hero, or cute is stupid.

Being an events planner and armchair quarterback to constitutional law discussions do not make you a good president.

Surviving POW camp makes you a war hero, it does not mean you'll make a good president.

I'd vote for a president that would repeal the Patriot Act through executive order (is this even possible?), let the free market do its duty, not want to subsidize every program on the book, let me keep all my firearms, and isn't an imaginary person.

It seems like voting these days is mostly to give one party a power over another rather than having our public servants act as public servants.

I miss the good ole days when we could tar and feather someone not doing their duty.

I'd insert a bunch of patriot quotes, but they aren't really effective. Look them up yourselves, lazy turds.