Haram?

[ALI]

I wouldnt smoke during a fast because you're not allowed to smoke during fasting. But all i gotta say is that there are so many muslims smoking shisha/hookah in Islamic countries like egypt, turkey, morroco and most of the Arab countries. Also, no one can clearly say that hookah is really bad for you. We all know its slightly bad for us, but not as bad as scientists and doctors claim. Also, i think its not haraam because its not intoxicating and doesnt not have a drug-like effect. If anyone gets 'high' over shisha, you are really weak and should see the doctor and see if you have got female reproductive organs inside you. Shisha is NOT addictive as theres not enough nicotine to make a person addicted. Peroid. Also, its makrooh if its addictive, and its not addictive so theres nothing wrong with smoking shisha. Shisha is a weak and washed form of tabacco, so dont be afraid to smoke it. Also, use natural coals not quick lites. Natural coals have way less carbon monoxide producing chemicals in them.

Sounds good, im gonna stick with that.

[ALI]

In my opinion, it is not haram.

Here is my logic:

-First off, you have to take hookah out of the same category as cigarettes.
--Why? Because cigarettes do a substantial amount of damage to your body. They are also addictive. These 2 factors make cigarettes haram.

-Now the question to ask is how much damage does shisha smoke do to your lungs?
--This question can easily be answered. Shisha produces little to no tar, because you are not burning the tobacco, you are cooking it. There is a low percentage of nicotine. And the rest is sugars, which are easily broken down by the enzymes in your body.

-OK, so, although minimal, shisha smoke does do damage to your lungs.
--Well, fried food does damage to your arteries.

-However, fried food is not forbidden in the Q'uran.
--Why? Because, in moderation, these things can be enjoyed without doing a significant amount of damage to our bodies.
--If you're eating fried chicken everyday, it will do damage to your heart. This is why anything to excess our over moderation is considered wrong.

-Same thing with hookah smoke. Too much of anything is bad for you. So, smoking every once a while split with some friends, I don't see how shisha can do a significant amount of damage to your body.

I hope that helps.

Yes, this is basically my exact thinking. thanks very much.

[TizaNabi]

Noticed that a few people say "I think" or "in my opinion". That will not answer your own question of "Is it Kharam"?
A few years back Mcdonalds world-wide pulled their whole stock of french fries and got rid of them.
It was found that the McDonalds manufacturer of all their french fries in the world were frying them in pig lard. Then they were frozen, shipped to every country and refried a second time. Guess who got mad first? Vegetarians who ate french fries thinking "What could be wrong it must be fried in vegetable oil. which it was forthe second fry.
Moslems,Jews, stopped eating there,also people who guard their health and didn't eat meat there. I made the same mistake around thirty years back thinking "I'm sure its veg etable oil! A person buying non-labled prescription drugs with no FDA okay on it would never think "What could be dangerous?"
One of my sons travels often to Viet Nam,China, Phillipines, Thailand, Japan etc. to negotiate companies making food who want it checked to be Kosher. He told me that the Asian firms are actually not eyeing the small Jewish Kosher market worldwide, but also Moslems, vegetarians and health concerned people.
They were the first to discover squid and octopus caught in the Tuna fish nets in most cases. "What could be?" That is itself the wrong question.

[aleemkahn]

Ok, this guy was just trying to discuss a really futile topic. Everyone knows that shisha is not Haraam, not even cigarettes are haraam. They are makrooh which means its recommended to avoid. The reason for this is that cigarettes are addictive. And they are bad for you. So when it becomes addictive, it becomes psycologically and physically hard for a person to stop smoking. And may cause premature death. Thats the thing that people are confused about. Whether its seen as killing yourself or its seen as just a habit. A bowl of shisha has not even got a 5% of the carcinogens and nicotine found in a single cigarette. So thats why this dicussion is futile. End Of, lets just talk about what shisha orders we've just made instead of talking breeze.

[boulderkid303]

I believe its haram. You are doing something that is bad for your body OBVIOUSLY bad. Anything like that is haram in my eyes, drinking, smokings, other drugs etc.

[mushrat]

lets keep it on topic or don't post. Only warning.

[aleemkahn]

I believe its haram. You are doing something that is bad for your body OBVIOUSLY bad. Anything like that is haram in my eyes, drinking, smokings, other drugs etc.

How can you compare drinking to shisha. Have you read hadiths about Alcohol? And are you telling me that all those muslims in the Arab world, whom which smoke shisha all the time, are sinners? Edited September 17, 2008 by aleemkahn

[mushrat]

a few interesting articles here:

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu6...01&ei=UTF-8

[ALI]

sorry guys, i didnt want this to be an argument, i was just wanting a few opinions to make sure. i believe its not haram, but know its not good. alcohol is clearly haram, it is specified, unlike any form of smoking (that i know of). i didnt mean to offend anyone, but thanks again, i appreciate the replies. :^)

[billy]

Smoking is haram in any way, but I don't see why Hookah wouldn't be haram? My parents say its tobacco which is along with cigs... Edited September 17, 2008 by billy

[mushrat]

sorry guys, i didnt want this to be an argument, i was just wanting a few opinions to make sure. i believe its not haram, but know its not good. alcohol is clearly haram, it is specified, unlike any form of smoking (that i know of). i didnt mean to offend anyone, but thanks again, i appreciate the replies. :^)

I don't think you offended anyone....

I think you brought up a very interesting topic that i can't remember being discussed around here before. Keep makin people think...

[boulderkid303]

Um because they are both bad for your body in the right amounts. I believe its baccy that you inhale in a shisha correct? Same as cigs same as pipes, it is all baccy. I can pull up hundreds upon hundreds of articles letting you know how bad it is to smoke in general. And who says all of the arabs do it? I have plenty of arab friends that HATE IT. Ive been to dubai and saudi and Iraq. For them its just a general thing once every week or so, not like americans who smoke every other days like me.

So yes I do believe its haram. And mush was that subject to me?

I believe its haram. You are doing something that is bad for your body OBVIOUSLY bad. Anything like that is haram in my eyes, drinking, smokings, other drugs etc.

How can you compare drinking to shisha. Have you read hadiths about Alcohol? And are you telling me that all those muslims in the Arab world, whom which smoke shisha all the time, are sinners?

[vin13]

This is pretty interesting stuff here! Learn something new every day I suppose

[Balthazar]

I believe its haram. You are doing something that is bad for your body OBVIOUSLY bad. Anything like that is haram in my eyes, drinking, smokings, other drugs etc.

Fair enough, but where does one draw the line? Everything is bad for you if you get too much of it. Is sugar haram? It surely has to take a lot of the blame for the obesity-problem that's growing in large parts of the world (and directly responsible for alot of deaths). Or is it just the things that will do harm even in moderate or small amounts (even though you probably don't die from smoking a single cigarette, it will harm you) that is haram? Edited September 17, 2008 by Balthazar

[aleemkahn]

Um because they are both bad for your body in the right amounts. I believe its baccy that you inhale in a shisha correct? Same as cigs same as pipes, it is all baccy. I can pull up hundreds upon hundreds of articles letting you know how bad it is to smoke in general. And who says all of the arabs do it? I have plenty of arab friends that HATE IT. Ive been to dubai and saudi and Iraq. For them its just a general thing once every week or so, not like americans who smoke every other days like me.

So yes I do believe its haram. And mush was that subject to me?

I believe its haram. You are doing something that is bad for your body OBVIOUSLY bad. Anything like that is haram in my eyes, drinking, smokings, other drugs etc.

How can you compare drinking to shisha. Have you read hadiths about Alcohol? And are you telling me that all those muslims in the Arab world, whom which smoke shisha all the time, are sinners?

Notice I didnt say every Arab, I said alot. I dont know every Arab to make such a statement. I was saying that its a popular thing in these places. And you said that anything thats bad for you is Haraam. So all those pizzas, chocolates, burgers and sodas are haraam for you? They can give you colonal cancer, heart disease and many other things, so they are bad for you.

[mushrat]

Um because they are both bad for your body in the right amounts. I believe its baccy that you inhale in a shisha correct? Same as cigs same as pipes, it is all baccy. I can pull up hundreds upon hundreds of articles letting you know how bad it is to smoke in general. And who says all of the arabs do it? I have plenty of arab friends that HATE IT. Ive been to dubai and saudi and Iraq. For them its just a general thing once every week or so, not like americans who smoke every other days like me.

So yes I do believe its haram. And mush was that subject to me?

I believe its haram. You are doing something that is bad for your body OBVIOUSLY bad. Anything like that is haram in my eyes, drinking, smokings, other drugs etc.

How can you compare drinking to shisha. Have you read hadiths about Alcohol? And are you telling me that all those muslims in the Arab world, whom which smoke shisha all the time, are sinners?

no, it was to Ali.

I think what we have here are personal opinions, mixing with actual decisions made by leaders of various religious movements.

If the op wants out personal opinions, then he has those, but to find out what the religious standpoitn is, we gotta look to what the leaders of that particular religious sect/subgroup say. and it appears there IS information out there.

It's like is shrimp Haram? In kosher law, it's not. But in the Koran, i believe it says soemthing about the creatures of the sea are food for man. No prohibition against shrimp is stated. Yet there is a fairly interestign debate going on about that. I'd suggest speakign with your local religious leader if you are really concerned.

[ALI]

thanks. i am pretty sure its not haram, but i just wanted to see if other people thought so too. everyone, even scholars will have different opinions. its not stated as haram, so to me its not. and if honestly in mymind its not haram, then i am not to be blamed.