Victim026 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Well I've had my Jet bowl for a little over a week now and the quality of the physical product is amazing. Props to MNH on getting such a nice piece of glass blown. However, I've had nothing but issues with the actual usage of the bowl itself, mainly with heat management and distribution. My first issue is the seal of the glass screen around the bowl, which unfortunately there really isn't one, it seems like this screen isn't meant for this bowl at all. Is Anyone else's like that? Next question would be in regards to packing the bowl, I've been using AF and packing like a regular phunnel making sure that the tobacco isn't touching the screen at all. Even using 4 Japanese silver coals I don't get half as much smoke as I would in a regular egyptian bowl covered in foil, it just never seems to heat up enough, and unfortunately the bowl burns horribly unevenly and the top layer of shisha ALWAYS burns to a crisp and ruins the good shisha left beneath it. Does anyone have any tips on how to get this thing working correctly, I'm dying to get a good bowl out of it. Edited September 30, 2008 by Victim026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voski Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Did u try using foil on it instead of the glass screen? Are you using the mod it comes with?I don't have one so I am just throwing out some troubleshooting advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 Yeah i've tried it with foil and it was a bit better, not by much though, and yes I'm using the mod all the time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalSoil Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 pack it all the way up. and its ok if the bottom looks unused a little... you just dont want it really juicy when the bowl is all done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 So pack it all the way up to the screen? Should I be able to see the mod in the middle or do I cover that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplexCoda Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 the thermal properties of glass are much different than that of clay. It takes mine like 10 minutes to get hot, but trust me once its hot i have no problems keeping it that way. It stay hot and evenly so. i honestly cant tell you what to do cause with mine im just patient and once i can hear it starting to cook i smoke away no problem. As for the screen not sealing, I havent heard of anyones whos does, I havent had a problem with it not working. Plus you have to remember, these things are made by hand, they can get them near perfect, but no human will ever be such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckhater Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 QUOTE (SimplexCoda @ Sep 29 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the thermal properties of glass are much different than that of clay. It takes mine like 10 minutes to get hot, but trust me once its hot i have no problems keeping it that way. It stay hot and evenly so. i honestly cant tell you what to do cause with mine im just patient and once i can hear it starting to cook i smoke away no problem. As for the screen not sealing, I havent heard of anyones whos does, I havent had a problem with it not working. Plus you have to remember, these things are made by hand, they can get them near perfect, but no human will ever be such.I have a Jet Glass and a small glass phunnel, I can get my small glass to seal...if the shisha is juicy enough (probably wouldn't work with Nakhla). After 5-10 the juice that is touch the glass semi-fuses the screen to the bowl. It is hit or miss hwoever since the screen I got with my JET doesn't do this, and it doesn't really add or take away from the smoking experience (actually it just makes cleaning a pain later). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 QUOTE (SimplexCoda @ Sep 30 2008, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the thermal properties of glass are much different than that of clay. It takes mine like 10 minutes to get hot, but trust me once its hot i have no problems keeping it that way. It stay hot and evenly so. i honestly cant tell you what to do cause with mine im just patient and once i can hear it starting to cook i smoke away no problem. As for the screen not sealing, I havent heard of anyones whos does, I havent had a problem with it not working. Plus you have to remember, these things are made by hand, they can get them near perfect, but no human will ever be such.See now the glass gets hot, it just doesn't seem to get hot enough to cook the tobacco is the problem. Maybe it's the japanese coals I'm using but even with 4 of them on there it's not really sufficent, and just letting them sit on there for 10 minutes isn't really an option as they go out on whatever side is touching the glass if I do that. As for the screen not sealing I didn't expect it to be perfect, but I also didn't expect it to be quite as unsealed as it is. Anyone else got any other ideas for how to fix this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 will i tested japs when i got them on regular bowl and the jet. Jet i ended up putting 4 on and barely anything. 2 Cocos usually works for me with a wind cover or i use 3 which knocks the smoke to amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 as much as i love my japs they are not at all jet glass friendly you need something with a bit more bulk to it like a coco coal or even an exotica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 its a cool bowl, but in terms of performance, im back to using small tangiers phunnels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 Guess I'm gonna have to make an order for some Exoticas then, can't afford more coco's til the end of october. Hopefully this will fix the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC4111 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 i thought you were using the Starlight coconut coals Victim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharbone Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I have a lot better time using regular Exoticas than if I use japs.I love my jet glass. Once it gets heated up all the way, heat management seems easier to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUBBS Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 QUOTE (SimplexCoda @ Sep 29 2008, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the thermal properties of glass are much different than that of clay. It takes mine like 10 minutes to get hot, but trust me once its hot i have no problems keeping it that way. It stay hot and evenly so. i honestly cant tell you what to do cause with mine im just patient and once i can hear it starting to cook i smoke away no problem. As for the screen not sealing, I havent heard of anyones whos does, I havent had a problem with it not working. Plus you have to remember, these things are made by hand, they can get them near perfect, but no human will ever be such.+1 Mine is the same story, but Im fairly sure mine has a seal, cuz its sometimes stuck to the bowl after smoking.QUOTE (NickReppinThe909 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>as much as i love my japs they are not at all jet glass friendly you need something with a bit more bulk to it like a coco coal or even an exotica+1 Ive used Exoticas since Ive had this bowl and then one night tried Japs and got no smoke. So I think its the japs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pullingteeth Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 my screen sealed with my jet but i agree fully with simplexcoda said...you just have to give it a little time to heat up and then it's on like donkey kong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 QUOTE (OC4111 @ Sep 30 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i thought you were using the Starlight coconut coals Victim?I was using the Starlight coco coals up until a week before I got my Jet. I had found that great deal on them locally and bought like 8 boxes but they ran out at the store and don't know when they are getting more in. I'll hopefully be placing another online order soon to restock tobacco so I'll pick up some exoticas or coco's then. I did manage to get 2 decent bowls out of the jet tonite using foil instead of the screen. I think my issue in that regard was underpacking the bowl a bit, filling it all the way to the top and over the mod with foil helped out quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian_villager Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 QUOTE (pullingteeth @ Sep 30 2008, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>my screen sealed with my jet Well it seems like you got a bad one then.... send it to me I'll take care of it.But for the original topic I have noticed that any japanese coal puts out less heat than like cocos, exoticas, hc Coals. And they break too easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC4111 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 yeah, i'm not a big fan japs. I bought 2 boxes of Staright cocos from MNH and those work just as good as Coco naras. the next one's i'm going to try would be the new (banned vendor name) coconut coals at HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUBBS Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 One thing I dont get, if everyone is used to using foil and littering it with holes then why is it a problem that you have a seem also letting in air. Does it say anywhere that there has to be a seal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I am with nubbs why does it have to seal? I don't always pack my to where it will. Air flow is air flow, plus on the glass screen it's less important...there is no air flow whatsoever around the coals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 It doesn't say that it has to seal, I just assumed that it would... And as for no airflow over the coals I beg to differ, if I sit in a dark room and smoke you can still clearly see the coals brightening as the air passes over them and down the center of the screen. I have managed to get things down now with foil, i'm gonna start experimenting again with the glass screen soon once I get different coals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ive tried it with easy lights, golden canary, exoticas, and coconut coals.all have worked virtually the same for me.imo it works better with the mod. more taste for me. however its not worth using due to the cleaning pains (the mod that is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dranas Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Im using a small MNH phunnel with a glass screen and i seem to be screwing something up. I attempt to smoke AF using 2 cocos and in like 5 mins tops where ever the coals are sitting the shisha is cripy fried and smoke taste like crap. It doesnt seem to be getting hot enough to cook, just hot enough to burn it quickly. Should i put less shisha? im using a mod and packing it loosely and not letting it touch the screen, barely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename067 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 One of my two screens is way off compared to the Bowl..Sadly, I cant even use that screen so I use a foil on one of my bowls.The glass idea is nice...but the glass is too thick.. managing heat on them is slightly difficult..foil seems to work much better on that bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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