Recent Issues With Tangiers

[mattarios2]

I usually have no problems with Tangiers (non lucid), I normally use three hc coconut coals and at first the first few pulls are little harsh and then after that the session goes well. btw its a small funnel. But lately, if i use 3 coals the smoke is hot, not harsh or tickle in the throat, but hot. If i drop down to 2 coals, i barely get any smoke. I would crack the coals but coconut coals are too hard to crack. Should I just try a wind cover with 2 coals, in the past I have tried a wind cover with Tangiers and it hasnt gone well, what do you all think?


Thanks

[SimplexCoda]

I would try 2 coals with a wind cover. Cause it sounds like you are close just not perfect. On a side note, if you ever want to trade like maybe a half box of exoticas to test out i would be down.

[Stuie]

I do the drop in method normally and use 2 cocos and a wind cover, never get massive clouds, but great flavor and buzz. If i over pack it as much as possible i just use 3 cocos, get all 3, but I haven't been doing long sessions lately so I haven't done it lately.

[mattathayde]

i stopped using my phunnel mostly just because i like variation in my 4 hours of smoking but ive been using my mod bowl which holds just a little less than the phunnel and for me it takes just about the same amount of coal. i used 2 cocos on it and its fine gota play with the wind cover but it works. on the phunnel you may need to add and drop the 3rd like was suggested.

i have had some issues with tangiers lately as i started, it wasnt smelling right and i think i over acclimated it, just got in some fresh and it smokes fine, maybe a little under flavored since i acclimate a bowls worth for about an hour but it tastes ok, just light, but id rather have that than what i got with the uber over acclimation

-matt

[mattarios2]

Yeah I had it down for a while, but it seems it gets too hot now, I do the big holes, and the scoop method (as of lately to try out other techniques) I do the fork and drop in technique sometimes but lately the scoop method has been working, then after a while it started to get hot. I will try to get a wind cover and do 2 coals, I have 3 covers but none fit, I'll just have to modify a can or something and go from there. Oh and simplex I'm gonna try to get it down with the coals I use, if still no luck we can work out something, thanks bro and thanks guys.

[xpimpitox]

I have been doing the scoop method for the past 5 bowls of tangiers and it has worked wonders for me; the only time I got harshness was because i smoked a bowl of peach iced tea that hasn't been acclimated in over a month. The man himself actually uses the scoop method at his lounge if I remember correctly. He did this with a bowl of orange soda on his regular style bowl, huge clouds and flavor. I fully endorse the scoop method

[mattarios2]

yeah it works well, but I mean I have the flavor and it tastes great, decent smoke, but you rip on it and after about 4 seconds it just gets to hot and you can't inhale anymore but it isn't a tickle in the throat, it's just hot smoke, so it def is too much heat, I gotta make some mod for the wind cover.

[xpimpitox]

yea the only tangiers tobacco i ever had that tasted like hot smoke was green apple candy. Not very pleasent even though the flavor itself was spot on. I was also using a regular egyptian bowl...this was before i discovered the joy of a phunnel.

[SimplexCoda]

Oh i wasnt meaning to try to get them to work instead of what you got, i meant to just try in general. But if your olde method seemed to work pretty well then i say 2 coals and a cover should get the job done.

[mattarios2]

Oh i wasnt meaning to try to get them to work instead of what you got, i meant to just try in general. But if your olde method seemed to work pretty well then i say 2 coals and a cover should get the job done.

oh sorry if i implied that, I will def try it if it fails miserably with the HC coals, from reviews i've read they give off more heat than coco's which isn't necessarily a good thing, I'm talkin about the HC coals btw. I made a raise type thing out of a peanut can so I can raise the ash tray and fit a wind cover on, as I said before the taste is there and so is the smoke so I think I am packing it properly, it just is always either too much heat or not enough heat so wish me luck with the bowl tonight as I watch the sox kick tampas ass.

[Dega]

What exactly is the scoop method? Sorry, I don't know that much about tangiers. I'm trying to educate myself before I invest in some.

[mattarios2]

middle of this thread : http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=21364

[mattarios2]

btw Scoop what do you use to poke your holes? I was re-checking your method after I posted it and I was thinking maybe I should also do smaller holes or should I stick with the toothpick sized holes? Your holes look smaller than my massive toothpick ones.

[Bulldog_916]

What you might try is instead of putting the coals flat side down, put them with the "embossed" side down. Less surface area on the foil. ALSO, remember the method with the computer fan cover grill? Try that. It will elevate the coals just barely. They are like 4 for a dollar or some shit at the recycled computer store.

[mattarios2]

I tried that, but it made the heat more defined in a specific area which made it worse. I just need to make a damn lift so a windcover can fit, I think 2 HC coals will be perfect w/ a wind cover.

Tonight I'm gonna be smoking fusion lemon-mint or fusion kiwi-strawberry (which may I say is an amazing flavor)

So maybe today or tomorrow I will try to remake something, the lift I made ended up sucking yesterday so back to the drawing boards for a tangiers sesh tomorrow.

[smokeytheclown]

I tried that, but it made the heat more defined in a specific area which made it worse. I just need to make a damn lift so a windcover can fit, I think 2 HC coals will be perfect w/ a wind cover.

Tonight I'm gonna be smoking fusion lemon-mint or fusion kiwi-strawberry (which may I say is an amazing flavor)

So maybe today or tomorrow I will try to remake something, the lift I made ended up sucking yesterday so back to the drawing boards for a tangiers sesh tomorrow.

I have used a pair of chopsticks laid across the ash catcher to support a windcover. Seems to work fine.

SmokeytheInnovator

[mattathayde]

I tried that, but it made the heat more defined in a specific area which made it worse. I just need to make a damn lift so a windcover can fit, I think 2 HC coals will be perfect w/ a wind cover.

Tonight I'm gonna be smoking fusion lemon-mint or fusion kiwi-strawberry (which may I say is an amazing flavor)

So maybe today or tomorrow I will try to remake something, the lift I made ended up sucking yesterday so back to the drawing boards for a tangiers sesh tomorrow.

I have used a pair of chopsticks laid across the ash catcher to support a windcover. Seems to work fine.

SmokeytheInnovator

some hookahs though that is still way to low. my hookah when i put the wind cover on my phunnel there is a good 2 inches until you get to the ash tray top lip

-matt

[Scoop]

i use small toothpicks. eric uses oyster forks for the holes so they are way bigger than mine. tried both, i cant tell a difference tbh and the picks are cleaner.

try packing a bit more? its better to overpack than underpack (at least you can smoke overpacked)

[mattarios2]

chopsticks don't raise it enough, I still don't have enough room using chopsticks.

So Scoop you can use huge holes? I feel like the coal is basically on the shisha with such big holes and over packing and would cause the shisha to burn. I really don't think it is a packing issue for me, the flavor is there completely, it almost never has a tingle in the throat, it just gets hot like I said.

[mattathayde]

some one just posed up how to get a wind cover to work, take an old SB can, cut a hole in the bottom and put in over the stem upside down so the cover has a stand to rest on
-matt

[mattarios2]

yah I saw that but im not spending 20 bucks on shisha that I refuse to smoke just so I can get the damn tin can lol.

[mattathayde]

yah I saw that but im not spending 20 bucks on shisha that I refuse to smoke just so I can get the damn tin can lol.

whats wrong with SB for you, just too sweet?
-matt

[mattarios2]

well that, but mainly that the flavor shits the bed rather quickly, especially for the frickin price. Gimme tangiers or AF for about half the price and the flavor lasts 3 times longer.

[mattathayde]

well that, but mainly that the flavor shits the bed rather quickly, especially for the frickin price. Gimme tangiers or AF for about half the price and the flavor lasts 3 times longer.

hmmm thats strange i really havent noticed that, its just that SB seems to like less heat, at my friends house we would pack up a mya bowl of SB and smoke it for hours, not really sure how it lasted that long but it did. i can normaly get a good hour out of it but lately i havent even recoaled a bowl (im using cocos so i get an hour of smoke from a bowl) and if i try to recoal basicaly with anything it dies out after just a very shot time so its not worth it to me

-matt

[Scoop]

if youre packing it right, im not sure what the hot is.

im also not seeing how the windcover is going to help. I use 3 natural coals almost no matter what coal on the small phunnel. 3 golden canary pieces, 3 1/4 piece of exoticas, 3 pieces of banned coco coal. *with the exception of coconara, which was hit and miss, 2 or 3 pieces*. 3 pieces is the same as 2 pieces with a wind screen imo except i dont like wind screens as they tend to overheat and i dont trust them. Instant light coals I use 2 pieces of all 33mm coal like 3kings, or 3 pieces of banned coco instant lights.

If the humidity has been changing rapidly it may be harder to smoke, or more sensitive to heat, but for the most part i haven't had any problems *exception, f-line cocoa was a pain in the ass for the first few times*.

edit: starbuzz is terribad. everything tastes chemikill.