Most Disturbing Article I've Read About Mccain

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Whether you like John McCain or not, please try to read this. It's quite long and will take probably 30 mins of your time. But if you vote for him and do not read this you would be kicking yourself later.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstor...eal_john_mccain

Basically the article details his time in the military and his way up the political chain. Also his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

Note: This doesn't mean I endorse Obama , just scares me that McCain has lived such a hateful life.

[r1v3th3ad]

Whether you like John McCain or not, please try to read this. It's quite long and will take probably 30 mins of your time. But if you vote for him and do not read this you would be kicking yourself later.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstor...eal_john_mccain

Basically the article details his time in the military and his way up the political chain. Also his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

Note: This doesn't mean I endorse Obama , just scares me that McCain has lived such a hateful life.

is there an abridged version? I would love to read it, but with all the reading with my history courses, I have learned to hate reading, especially 30 minute articles
I really would like to catch all the facts though, once again, in a condensed version.

[gaia.plateau]

his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

Just remove the word "wife's", change "women" to "money" or "power" or "work", and this describes George W. Bush, who you people voted for twice nonetheless

[untitled]

Yeah but at least McCain's problems are inward.. not affecting us as much as Obama's bull.

Go ahead and vote for Obama, I hope you like communism because that's the next step after all his socialists moves that he makes sound so good.

P.S. that's from rolling stone Edited October 28, 2008 by untitled

[gaia.plateau]

Yeah but at least McCain's problems are inward..

Read: not black.

Go ahead and vote for Obama, I hope you like communism because that's the next step after all his socialists moves that he makes sound so good.

Communism is a political structure, socialism is an economic one - they have absolutely nothing inherently in common.

Moreover, socialism has been proven countless times to be not only extremely economically effective when used strategically and circumstantially, but incontestably more supportive of freedom than capitalism. Do you think people are free in the US when they're educating their kids in the singularly worst school system in the Western world? Do you think people are free when a simple broken bone will send them into debt for the rest of their lives? Ignorance and fear are what imprison us, not taxes.

Moreover still, what do you call the 250 billion-dollar bailout for failing companies? That's more intensely socialist than any plan Obama has proposed. And furthermore, it should be noted that having capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich is something infinitely worse than communism; it's the very definition of fascism. The only difference between Nazi Germany and where the US is immediately headed, probably under an Obama administration and certainly under a McCain administration, is that back then the government controlled the corporations, instead of the other way around. Edited October 28, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[shisha fan]

Whether you like John McCain or not, please try to read this. It's quite long and will take probably Also his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

so you`re saying the next president of the united states could actually be a human being with flaws like everyone else.

note: i`m not pro mccain or anything and i can`t vote, just trying to understand about what motivates people to vote one way or another.

[Heelie]

When I'm making a decision on who to vote for I always turn to Rolling Stone to hook me up with the most unbiased, accurate campaign coverage around.

[dafunk5446]

Well "untitled", you obviously dont know your history or economics much, like gaia pointed out. America is a socialist country we are no longer classified as a free market, we are closer to a free market then socialism however. Have you ever heard of the "New Deal", if you haven't it is a economic plan put forth by FDR during the depression, this is where unemployment insurance came from, as well a welfare, social security and a shit ton of other horrible "socialist" programs. So if you have such a problem with socialism, dont collect welfare, unemployment, or social security. Also take take a look at the life expectancy, overall happiness, medical cost per capita, and personal income levels of socialist countries and tell me Americas way is better Edited October 28, 2008 by dafunk5446

[untitled]

Wow.. "dafunk" That's my point. We're closer to a free market and we should keep it that way.

[dafunk5446]

Well again look at history, being a true free market doesnt work, look at the depression, or companies before government intervention in the market such as Standard oil or general steel. Evil companies that drove hard working americans into poverty and kept them there, thats what happens with a free market. Tell me the benifiets of a free market. I am not trying to be a dick and I am sorry if I am coming off like that. I am just sick of people getting so worried about socialism, when it is unjustified. Edited October 28, 2008 by dafunk5446

[untitled]

Well I'll tell you a good balance between a "free market" and "socialism" is needed but having the government decide things for us is not even freedom.

I mean, I'd rather be poor and do what I want, then rich and do what the government told me to do with my life.

And again, My point is exactly what YOU were saying... look at the US and tell me it isn't great? It is.. and that's because of the way we run it. Moving towards socialism is doing the same as all those countries we're greater than are doing. Edited October 28, 2008 by untitled

[dafunk5446]

I agree completely, I am also sorry I should have warned you I am an American, but I grew up in Canada. So I am a little biased about socialism. I personally just think we need to step closer to socialism and be more like Canada. They are the mix you speak of with no government influence over daily life. Americans have nothing to worry about with becoming more of a socialist nation, it will not lead to communism. If any leader attempted to shift us to communist society, no one in America would except it. I can say with conviction that I would be in the front of the crowd marching to Washington to overthrow the bastard who would try. This is not Obama's goal by the way. I am not saying he is perfect either, both candidates are flawed and both have their better points. I just think Obama will take us in the better direction. I do agree with you, America is a great place, but it can always be better.

[TheScotsman]

his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

Just remove the word "wife's", change "women" to "money" or "power" or "work", and this describes George W. Bush, who you people voted for twice nonetheless

Remove wife, and add corrupt racist organizations, and known militant terrorists, and we have obamessiah. Hell, even Sarkozy gets the problems with the NObama. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2117214/posts Man, when the president of FRANCE calls you a pussy, wow, that's about as low as you can get. a foreign policy "empty of content" Yep, that about it. We have a major donor/philanthropist (H. Wayne Huizenga) trying to dump the Dolphins before the election in fear that the capitol gains will eat him alive. Think we will see allot of that from what I was hearing at the last chamber meeting. The general consensus among SB owners was that they would scale back rather than pay big tax increases. obamessiah's communism will do nothing but put the average low-end wage employee on the street. Fitting, since they are the fools voting for him. Better go buy a bunch of ramen noodles... you will need them!

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When I'm making a decision on who to vote for I always turn to Rolling Stone to hook me up with the most unbiased, accurate campaign coverage around.

It's not supposed to make your decision. And to automatically put it down cause it's "Rolling Stone Magazine" it's odd considering for years they have had a politics section. Not just about music.

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Whether you like John McCain or not, please try to read this. It's quite long and will take probably Also his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

so you`re saying the next president of the united states could actually be a human being with flaws like everyone else.

note: i`m not pro mccain or anything and i can`t vote, just trying to understand about what motivates people to vote one way or another.

Did you even read the article? It goes above and beyond "flaw like everyone else".

his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

Just remove the word "wife's", change "women" to "money" or "power" or "work", and this describes George W. Bush, who you people voted for twice nonetheless

Remove wife, and add corrupt racist organizations, and known militant terrorists, and we have obamessiah. Hell, even Sarkozy gets the problems with the NObama. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2117214/posts Man, when the president of FRANCE calls you a pussy, wow, that's about as low as you can get. a foreign policy "empty of content" Yep, that about it. We have a major donor/philanthropist (H. Wayne Huizenga) trying to dump the Dolphins before the election in fear that the capitol gains will eat him alive. Think we will see allot of that from what I was hearing at the last chamber meeting. The general consensus among SB owners was that they would scale back rather than pay big tax increases. obamessiah's communism will do nothing but put the average low-end wage employee on the street. Fitting, since they are the fools voting for him. Better go buy a bunch of ramen noodles... you will need them!

Honestly, who cares from Sarkozy thinks about Obama's policy toward Iran. Do you know the United States CIA paid a Russian man to pose as a deranged scientist that wanted to sell designs to build a Russian Nuclear weapon. He got in contact with an Iranian official in Vienna. The plans included everything to build a bomb except a few crucial steps/parts. Now that we see Iran enriching uranium the US flips its shit and claims that they are trying to make nuclear weapons. And this whole Iran thing is stupid. We overthrew the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mossadegh. The CIA arranged a coup led by Theodore Roosevelts nephew, because Mossadegh wanted to nationalize Iran's oil and kept the money made from it inside Iran and not into the hands of Western business men. You then have the start of the economic hit man, which is another story. Edited October 29, 2008 by click

[gaia.plateau]

Obama has had a drug addiction? Source?

And yes, he has known militant terrorists - excellent practice for if he becomes president, when he'll very likely have to be a militant terrorist. Name one president since WW2 that was not himself a militant terrorist not including Ford.

And you realize that my point was that McCain is entirely electable despite these things - are you then making the argument that Obama should/will be elected?

his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

Just remove the word "wife's", change "women" to "money" or "power" or "work", and this describes George W. Bush, who you people voted for twice nonetheless

Remove wife, and add corrupt racist organizations, and known militant terrorists, and we have obamessiah. Hell, even Sarkozy gets the problems with the NObama. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2117214/posts Man, when the president of FRANCE calls you a pussy, wow, that's about as low as you can get. a foreign policy "empty of content" Yep, that about it. We have a major donor/philanthropist (H. Wayne Huizenga) trying to dump the Dolphins before the election in fear that the capitol gains will eat him alive. Think we will see allot of that from what I was hearing at the last chamber meeting. The general consensus among SB owners was that they would scale back rather than pay big tax increases. obamessiah's communism will do nothing but put the average low-end wage employee on the street. Fitting, since they are the fools voting for him. Better go buy a bunch of ramen noodles... you will need them!

[TheScotsman]

Obama has had a drug addiction? Source?

And yes, he has known militant terrorists - excellent practice for if he becomes president, when he'll very likely have to be a militant terrorist. Name one president since WW2 that was not himself a militant terrorist not including Ford.

And you realize that my point was that McCain is entirely electable despite these things - are you then making the argument that Obama should/will be elected?

his alcohol addiction, his wifes drug addiction, and his desire for easy women.

Just remove the word "wife's", change "women" to "money" or "power" or "work", and this describes George W. Bush, who you people voted for twice nonetheless

Remove wife, and add corrupt racist organizations, and known militant terrorists, and we have obamessiah. Hell, even Sarkozy gets the problems with the NObama. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2117214/posts Man, when the president of FRANCE calls you a pussy, wow, that's about as low as you can get. a foreign policy "empty of content" Yep, that about it. We have a major donor/philanthropist (H. Wayne Huizenga) trying to dump the Dolphins before the election in fear that the capitol gains will eat him alive. Think we will see allot of that from what I was hearing at the last chamber meeting. The general consensus among SB owners was that they would scale back rather than pay big tax increases. obamessiah's communism will do nothing but put the average low-end wage employee on the street. Fitting, since they are the fools voting for him. Better go buy a bunch of ramen noodles... you will need them!

I SO wanted to vote for someone other than a republicasaurus... I was actually looking forward to Hillary (How damn frightening is THAT?)All the corruption following obama, his growing communistic views, and the thoughtless-near-messianic way the media, and libs talk about him, I find I am forced back to the damn repubs. It honks me off a bit. Today we get more ACORN/Obama campaign corruption ties. Damn, that is getting old fast. Every day there is more of it. No other presidential candidate has had an association with terrorist that has tried to blow up cop cars, and public buildings. No other presidential candidate has ever had any association with a terrorist that, after a terrorist attack that killed 2500+ people, stated he wished there had been more. No other candidate has associated with someone who admits to murdering someone, and getting off on a technicality. No other presidential candidate has ever had a near-uncountable number of illegal campaign donations that they refuse to research and refuse. (No wonder he flip-flopped on the public funded campaign, eh?)Much to the credit of the average citizen, it appears they are starting to see through the barry-bama media hype, and BS.

[gaia.plateau]

No other presidential candidate has had an association with terrorist that has tried to blow up cop cars, and public buildings.

No other presidential candidate has ever had any association with a terrorist that, after a terrorist attack that killed 2500+ people, stated he wished there had been more.

So it's okay for Presidents to know and indeed be terrorists, but presidential candidates can't? Honestly this is such a non-issue that it ranks right up there with "freedom fries" in the stupidest things that Americans get concerned about. #1, Obama served on the same educational committee as this guy. It's not like they were BFFs. #2, Obama has denounced Ayers' violent past. #3, Bill Ayers was never a terrorist, because the word terrorist is a rhetorical trick, an idea so dynamically slippery that no one knows what it means- it can simultaneously describe no one and everyone with equal usefulness.

When did Ayers kill 2,500 people? I looked up how many deaths he caused, and I was only able to find one incident wherein two people died of unintended shrapnel wounds, days after the bombing, in the hospital. What matters more, is how dishonestly news commentators have abused and manipulated his 2001 comment. He didn't say that he wished they had bombed more, and he didn't say that he wished they had killed more. He said that he wished they had done more to stop the war sooner. Look it up.

Violence is always wrong, but some violence is wronger than others. For example, it's worse for American soldiers with M-60s to mow down tens of thousands of unarmed Vietnamese civilians than it is for The Weather Underground to accidentally wound a few bystanders trying to stop the war. Ayers was trying to stop an illegal war in a country that the US had absolutely nothing to do with. Conducting an illegal war absolutely fits into the definition of terrorism, which actually makes Bill Ayers a counter-terrorist, technically. The bottom line is that even if his methods were wrong, his intention and perhaps the end result was to help his country, making him a patriot, not a traitor. Furthermore it's been proven that the group fervantly and meticulously organized their targets so as to avoid hurting any people.

Is blowing up a building really that much more horrible than setting yourself on fire?

I don't give a shit about Obama or McCain, regardless of who it is, the winner is inevitably going to end up furthering your hegemonic decline and spreading more chaos in the world. What I care about is the truth, and even though it provides me with countless hours of hilarity to watch you people buy hook, line, and sinker the clear and obvious bullshit you're being fed by the media (see: He's a Muslim! He's a terrorist! He hates America!), I can't help but feel compelled to make the case for common sense and the obvious, objective truth. It's like watching rats in a science experiment constantly electrocuting themselves trying to get to some cheese... unless you're a cruel, sadistic bastard, after the poor little guys have done it 15,000 or so times, you feel like you should give them a hint. Edited October 29, 2008 by gaia.plateau

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Scotsman,

Can you link some of the articles or sources where you read things such as "more ACORN/Obama campaign corruption ties" and "No other presidential candidate has ever had a near-uncountable number of illegal campaign donations that they refuse to research and refuse".

I would love to read the articles, because it MUST be competence over ideology.

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McCain saying Obama is not a socialist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ZGnM2oku8

[gaia.plateau]

McCain saying Obama is not a socialist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ZGnM2oku8

Wow. If anyone of the mindset that Obama is in any regard more socialist than McCain, they really do deserve a McCain administration.

[dafunk5446]

Soctsman, there has always been corruption in politics. George W. Bushs grandfather, Prescott Bush was financing the Nazi's during WW2, im sure he had associations with his grandfather, does that make him a bad person? (well he is a horrible person, but beside the point) As for the donations thing, it happens everyday in politics, the only time it gets any press is during elections. He also needs as much money as possible to counteract the scare tactics and bs that mcain puts out.

[TheScotsman]

Soctsman, there has always been corruption in politics. George W. Bushs grandfather, Prescott Bush was financing the Nazi's during WW2, im sure he had associations with his grandfather, does that make him a bad person? (well he is a horrible person, but beside the point) As for the donations thing, it happens everyday in politics, the only time it gets any press is during elections. He also needs as much money as possible to counteract the scare tactics and bs that mcain puts out.

Agreed. Way back in the SL debacle (ok... alot of you are too young to remember that...) There was the #1 worst offender in generaly screwing everyone there.... called "Silverado Savings" (AKA desperado-savings). I got a mild burning when they went tits-up. Their #1 stockholder, and a sr board member was one George Bush... I got no love for that guy.
The problem with donations is that there are set legal standards... that are allot different than they were in 1940. What was legal then, isn't now. The dems were so into campaign finance reform... unless it's their campaign, then anything goes. If you believe taking illegal donations is change, then you are deluding yourself.

What about the donations from barry-o's aunt, who is illegally in the country? And you think this guy is going to change anything... funny, very funny. Must be something in the koolaid

[dafunk5446]

Legal standards are not a part of a politicians vocabulary, look at our current presidents morality, invasion of afghanistan and Iraq, torturing in guantanamo bay, the patriot act!!! Not a very moral or legal minded fellow.

The thing about obamas aunt, whopptie freakin do, she gave him $290 dollars. Who freakin cares!

McCain doesnt have the best track record either as was earlier shown in this thread, what about his involvement in the Keating 5, he isnt this shining star of Morality either.

Again looking at our current president is a good example on a presidency as a whole. The guy can barely TIE his own shoes, and look how much has been done under his organization!!!! Everybody seems to think the president has all the power in our country, in actuality, he has very little. Thanks to our founding fathers, there are three branches of government that shit has to pass through in order to be passed, the president can suggest stuff but most is done by the house and senate, the president is more or less just someone to point fingers at, and is commander and chief. George Bush, is no where near the intelligence level to pull off a single act in iraq or afganhistan, thats why he has advisors.

To say nothing will be done is wrong, what will be done and how it will be done is another story. Neither candidate is perfect and both have some major flaws, but the republican party has been f*ucking up the last 8 years, so lets give the Democrates and chance and see how bad they can screw it up. When voting your always voting for the lesser of two evils, and the republican party has been pretty freakin evil lately

This country doesnt need a politician, we need a human being, A regular everyday man/women who is outside of the bullshit of government and above partisan shit as well. Some one who can look beyond the 2 party system and bring people together. I think that Obama has done and will do a better job of that with McCain. He still not what I want but he is a hell of a lot closer then the rabid wolverine McCain who would bite your head off. Edited November 1, 2008 by dafunk5446

[untitled]

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so·cial·ism /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

Just throwing it out there that socialism is, by definition, connected linearly with communism Edited November 3, 2008 by untitled