Obama Offers Ice Cream

[Lysolz]

The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade. The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.

The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia’s mother. The day arrived when they were to make their speeches. Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Every one applauded. He sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise. She said, “If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.” She sat down. The class went wild. “Yes! Yes! We want ice cream.”

She surely would say more. She did not have to. A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn’t sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn’t know. The class really didn’t care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a land slide.

Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, and fifty percent of America reacts like nine year olds. They want ice cream. The other fifty percent know they’re going to have to feed the cow.

[gaia.plateau]

False analogy: Comparing two relevantly dissimilar events to find a conclusion.

It would be more accurate to say that he's offering bandages to a nation bleeding to death, wherein 1% of the population possesses 40% of the vitamin d (makes your blood clot), and for the last 8 years the nation has been using all of its bandages to patch up lamp posts and absorb the soup of other countries.

I really, really hope McCain wins... the upcoming American election has been characterized by more unfounded rhetoric and irrelevant, obviously untrue personal attacks than any event, I'm fairly confident, in history. Including, like, witch trials. In my opinion, anyone who can watch this, which click just posted, and think that one candidate is a socialist and one isn't, truely deserves the complete hegemonic collapse that will almost certainly come from a McCain presidency. Edited October 31, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[Tuscani]

"hey little boy get in the car... I've got caaaaanddyyyyy...."

[TBatcho07]

"hey little boy get in the car... I've got caaaaanddyyyyy...."

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So wrong lol...

OBAMA FOR CHANGE!

[ElJefe]

The reason I think we can assume Obama is pushing socialist ideas (Running for a communist society) and McCain is not is rather simple.

On one hand we have Obama who said this at one of his recent rallies (paraphrased):

"For all of you college students out there. I know that it's hard to get the money needed to pay for it in this economy. So this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to 'guarantee' you - I'm going to 'guarantee' that if you volunteer at a community organization center, whether it's a soup kitchen, or a vetern's clinic - whatever. I guarantee you that your tuition will be paid!"
*ranting 9 year olds go wild*

Many of Obama's friends and associations share a similar radical belief that America should be socialist Inclusive of those who protect those who are associated with him. Not even in America, seems to be the eyepoint of Americans, but in Kenya his close friend Odinga recently worked with Obama on his own campaign, eventually lost - then started a bloody riot that got so much attention that the international community had to appoint him something in order to calm the chaos.

On the other hand, we have McCain who said this:
"I believe the government has gone to far. I believe it has been corrupted by greed and power - and I will not stand for it. I will fight to reduce the government and hold those accountable responsible"
*ranting 16 year olds go crazy* - they are older. Deal with it

Though he is a politician and also probably won't be completely accountable to his own words, we must remember that Obama is saying "CHANGE" and McCain is saying "REFORM" and while Obama has spent a good many years on the same side and fighting for the same politics as socialist and communist nations around the world, McCain has been a prisoner and in war with many communist nations around the world. He has seen what it turns into - spent 5 years as a pow in one getting cut up the whole time. Do you really REALLY think that someone who spends 25 years fighting communists and other radical peoples in the world would REALLY bring it home?

P.S. Palin is hot Biden is defnitely not >.<
Also Biden is for absolute censorship - even to the point where awesome forums like this would be constantly monitored and those who defy law and speak out = trouble. Just look at our man Joe the Plumber who happens to still be under constant democratic fire and investigation. How many of you cats want to be investigated for asking a question?
Don't give me your crap about how the constitution will save us and how it can't possibly be different regardless of who wins. When you have the DNC buying up just about all media in America and preparing a candidate with so many millions to back up his incredibly eloquent campaign and silence the competition who might have actually stood a better chance (IE Ron Paul) then claim that we have a fair and protected nation from people like this? It's laughable.

Rebuttals?! :-D

[mdl]

[gaia.plateau]

Looks legit. I'd go for it.

[gaia.plateau]

Rebuttals?! :-D

Welcome to the forums! A bold first post, most people will either obscurely poke their head into a random post and say "hi", or start an entirely redundant thread about something that has been discussed to ad nauseum like "wat r funnel bowls plz?". This whole, emptying your confused and misinformed understanding of your country onto the page, I like it, it's got pizazz.

Though he is a politician and also probably won't be completely accountable to his own words, we must remember that Obama is saying "CHANGE" and McCain is saying "REFORM" and while Obama has spent a good many years on the same side and fighting for the same politics as socialist and communist nations around the world, McCain has been a prisoner and in war with many communist nations around the world. He has seen what it turns into - spent 5 years as a pow in one getting cut up the whole time. Do you really REALLY think that someone who spends 25 years fighting communists and other radical peoples in the world would REALLY bring it home?

I really am not sure how to hammer this obvious, fundamental reality into your head. The reality that is as elementary to everyone else in the world as that 2+2 is not the same as 15/47. The reality that you've been conditioned for 50 years to subliminally ignore. The reality that socialism has absolutely nothing to do with communism, save history.

Which socialist and communist nations around the world are you talking about, exactly? Socialist nations like France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, The UK, Norway, Sweden, and Canada? None of them are communist. Communist nations like... China? They're not socialist. It's a scare tactic, and frankly anyone that propagates it is hurting their country more in every word than Bill Ayers and The Weather Underground did with all their bombs combined.

That said, when were these 25 years that McCain spent fighting communists? Because for all intents and purposes I'm pretty sure he didn't spend a single, solitary moment fighting them. Yes, he fired at people who happened to be communists in their belief system, but the fact that they were communists had absolutely nothing to do with why he was fighting them. Saying that John McCain fought communists in Vietnam is essentially the same as saying that Sarah Palin has foreign policy experience because on a clear day she can see Russia from her house. It's irrelevant. The US engaged in the Vietnam war to establish a geopolitical stronghold against China and Russia because they were economic rivals, ideology was an excuse at best.

The bottom line is that socialism and capitalism are both good, and are by no means mutually exclusive. Right now you're in a major recession, heading into a major depression. Last time we had one, it took the US forty years to get out of it (you didn't get back to where you were in 1914 until 1970) even though you were basically untouched in both world wars. And what saved you? FDR's New Deal, socialism. Look at Africa, look at the history of every single dirt-poor, post colonial African state. I promise you that every single one who took a socialist approach following independence prospered, and every one that caved in to ex-colonial pressure to push capitalism utterly failed.

Also Biden is for absolute censorship - even to the point where awesome forums like this would be constantly monitored and those who defy law and speak out = trouble. Just look at our man Joe the Plumber who happens to still be under constant democratic fire and investigation. How many of you cats want to be investigated for asking a question?

Do you have sources for any of these things? I have serious difficulty believing that members of the democratic party, historically deathly afraid of having to approach anyone of Japanese/Chinese/Korean/etc. descent because "Oriental" and now "Asian" are politically incorrect, are even talking to, much less investigating a complete nobody because of something he said on television. Even if that thing was slander.

When you have the DNC buying up just about all media in America

You mean the 5% that isn't owned by neocon evangelist Rupert Murdoch?

preparing a candidate with so many millions to back up his incredibly eloquent campaign and silence the competition who might have actually stood a better chance (IE Ron Paul) then claim that we have a fair and protected nation from people like this? It's laughable.

1) Can you think of (and source) one instance where the dems "silenced" Ron Paul? Their party has never had anything to do with the man. In fact, until he started to crank out the full-on crazy, many democratic ideologues like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart were openly supporting him above Obama. If you want to see people silencing Ron Paul, simply look to the early republican primary CNN debates.
2) And then he started to crank out the full-on crazy. Ron Paul is an insane person, probably certifiably.

P.S. Palin is hot

Really?

I mean... really? I didn't even post one of the mustache pictures. Edited October 31, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[Click]

McCain did have a shitty time as a POW, but he was treated much better than other POWs because they knew his father was an important man in the Navy, therefore he would hold larger political ransom weight than other POWs. McCain broke down under torture. Under the U.S. Prison of War code they shall "give no information . . . which might be harmful to my comrades." Under the code, POWs are bound to give only their name, rank, date of birth and service number — and to make no "statements disloyal to my country."

He confessed later that he told his captors he would give them military information if they took him to a hospital. I understand that McCain was a prisoner of war and we owe him our respect but that doesn't mean he will be a good president or deserves to be. He was a terrible pilot, and should have lost his wings after he crashed his first of three planes, but his dad and grandfather were high ranking Navy officials so he had special privileges.

Whether you like Obama or not, McCain admitted that he was not well versed on economic issues and he knows a lot less about economics than he does about military and foreign policy issues. "I still need to be educated", he said. Sounds like a great president for a time when we need to get out of a war we cannot win and have an economy to fix.

This whole argument about Obama = socialist is distorted. In the U.S. people seem to forget that we have socialism for the wealthy and capitalism for the middle and lower class. When you have the privately owned Federal Reserve giving out 850 billion dollars of money created out of thin air to wealthy business men and CEO's to further screw us over with more bad loans and inflation is shocking.

One thing that gets me is a couple hundred years ago instead of just sitting around and letting this happen, the people would stand up for what they believe in and fight. We the people give the government the power and people seem to have forgotten that. The government should be afraid of the people and not the people afraid of their government. Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they saw what their country has turned out to be. The Federal Reserve owning the working class with debt, that translates into monetary slavery. Edited October 31, 2008 by click

[TheScotsman]

The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade. The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.

The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's mother. The day arrived when they were to make their speeches. Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Every one applauded. He sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream." She sat down. The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream."

She surely would say more. She did not have to. A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn't know. The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a land slide.

Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, and fifty percent of America reacts like nine year olds. They want ice cream. The other fifty percent know they're going to have to feed the cow.

Brownman making sense. An' I hae nae whisky! Wha's this world commin' tae?

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

The only thing that is going to get real old is listening to people who elect barry, then start whining in a year because:
1)The elect someone whose VP guaranteed an international crisis... then whine they are getting drafted.
2)elect someone who has policies that will decimate most small businesses... then whine they are unemployed
3)elect someone who has zero regard for the constitution... then whine when internet neutrality is lost, and the news they get is the news the gov't wants them to get.
4)chose someone who wants them to have no right to a firearm... then whine when someone breaks in, hauls off their crap, and rapes their woman.
5)chose a president that has started, lead, and belonged to racist organizations.... then whine about the results.

You elect him, you suffer the results! be be sure hyperinflation/stagflation, increasing taxes, exporting jobs, businesses closing, limited product avalibility, faster falling dollar, metals spot going insane, activist judiciary, censorship, and crime are what you want first.

I have it on very good authority one major lender (who's name begins with a G) has planned to raise the requirements for qualifying for an auto/home loan to a minimum of a 780, and 15% down on the first of the year pending a barry-presidency. They are worried about being forced into loans they don't want. If you are lower than a 780 they won't talk to you without 18% rate, and 25-30% down. It's going to be a rough time if you want to buy anything you can't pay for outright.

Besides... look at what is going on in the world. Would ANYONE in his right mind want to be the president of hell? They have to all be daftie, therefor ineligible for the job. er, wait.... there is no clause that the president has to be of sound mind, is there, carry on then.

[gaia.plateau]

An' I hae nae whisky! Wha's this world commin' tae?

It would be, "N' ays huf nae Whiskey! What's the world comin' tae?" (With an option to use "ah" instead of "ays" and/or to spell "world" with an "a").

Worst. Scotsman. Evar. Edited November 1, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[TheScotsman]

An' I hae nae whisky! Wha's this world commin' tae?

It would be, "N' ays huf nae Whiskey! What's the world comin' tae?" (With an option to use "ah" instead of "ays" and/or to spell "world" with an "a").

Worst. Scotsman. Evar.

Easier to say than type. Unless you are a closet bobby burns fan, that is one closet you don't want to come out of. Ever try to use naturally speaking? it doesn't like me at all.

Scotch is whisky (or better uisge-beatha)... that training stuff from Canada is whiskey, and that USA stuff is drain cleaner. Edited November 2, 2008 by TheScotsman

[gaia.plateau]

Easier to say than type. Unless you are a closet bobby burns fan, that is one closet you don't want to come out of. Ever try to use naturally speaking? it doesn't like me at all.

Scotch is whisky (or better uisge-beatha)... that training stuff from Canada is whiskey, and that USA stuff is drain cleaner.

Ah hud tae google auld Rabbie Burns, hud nae clue in me puff whae he wis... n' shamefully so fae me Scotch blood... if ye want tae learn how tae writ proper Scottish, pick up an Irvine Welsh book

Dragon naturally speaking? Total POS unless you have like, a $300 microphone. Glad I didn't pay for it.

I don't drink often whiskey, I like whiskey, especially scotch, but it encourages my various pathologies. But yar, US whiskey is trash, I sometimes use JD to cook with because it's cheap and easily imparts its flavour to food. Edited November 2, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[Pilgrim]

Socialist does NOT automatically equals communist at all, there's a world of difference between them. If you don't know the difference you should catch up on some history lessons. And sorry to disappoint you guys, but Obama is not "left" at all. We in Europe consider him the "least conservative candidate". A lot of his promises seem right wing-liberal.
And I know socialism is a dirty word in the states, but you might wanna come down from your pedistule and see that socialism has done a lot of good in europe, like the right to vote, and not the least on the subject of social security, which is complete rubbish in the states.
Maybe it's time to move on from that whole "American dream"-motto. It certainly has some historic value (centuries ago, when poor europeans fled to the US to make their dreams come true, Europe was a class-based society, no real way to "move up" in life), but that's not the case anymore. If you read the book "The European dream" from american economic Jeremy Rifkin you'll see that only 6% of people coming out of poor families in the US succeeded in making it to the top in the last forty years. That number is significantly higher in Canada and Europe, in my opinion partly thanks to social security.

Believe me, I'm not a fanboy of socialism. I think it has served its purpose in Europe, but it doesn't have a future here anymore. But I truely believe that where I live, Belgium, the greatest government decision after WW2 must have been social security. Belgium and the USA are both western countries, but if I were a single mom with two kids, one of them having cancer, I'd be damn sure in which wountry I'd wanna live.

communism--------socialism---------------------Obama-------Mc Cain Edited November 3, 2008 by Pilgrim

[gaia.plateau]

Socialist does NOT automatically equals communist at all, there's a world of difference between them.

communism--------socialism---------------------Obama-------Mc Cain

Socialism isnae even oan the same spectrum s'communism or the likes o those cunts, that lot's political shite; socialism is entirely aboot economics n' socioeconomics, ken? Likesay, in truth socialism and Mairks' idear o communism are right similar, but when we're using the word the day, we generally're referrin' tae the soviet brand eh communism. And in that regard, eh's purely a political mechanism, ken? Edited November 2, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[oolatec]

I can't wait to vote for him. He will pay my mortgage and keep my gas tank full.

[Bulldog_916]

We still got a gas problem and its time to drill our way out, like our forefathers did. Screw alternative energy. Haliburton's pockets need to be fuller! We gotta stuff those puppies! God knows Alaska will solve our fuel problems. Obama will tax us to DEATH, we will literally be on our knees in the middle class, ready to get the rubber glove of liberalism shoved so far up our hinies that he'll be able to check our teeth for cavities, hence the new dental degree! Small businesses everywhere will have to lay off millions of workers under the Obama plan! Driving us so deep into depression that the Dust Bowl will look like a little tea party cup. Plus, I mean, come on, the man is clearly an Arab terrorist. Look at that dark skin! Obama owns, what, like a million houses? Please, the only redistribution of wealth we need is a few of those homes he has! Plus, he's not going to keep us safe, he and Bill Ayers were like butt buddies in that 1 community board. I heard that Obama talked about doing some bombings of his own. He told Ayers to move over and watch a pro blow some shit up. Plus he worships the devil. Have you heard the terrible things his pastor said about America!? You should have seen it on youtube! His face was right in the crowd, ears are so big you could make him out a mile away. He's gonna be like Stalin and Osama bin Laden COMBINED! Maybe a few Hitler sprinkles too. Can you imagine the internment camps? All white people cramped together waiting for the Lord above to take them away. Obama, how well do YOU think you know him?

McCain/Palin '08!

[gaia.plateau]

Bulldog, I'm convinced. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Stuie]

It really doesn't matter. People that want REAL change should have voted 3rd part cause Dem or Rep we are going to get the same $#!t all over again. The whole two party system was a great ideal but now is so corrupt it's almost completely beyond recovery.

McCain Wins.... I become a Vodka Alcoholic. Lull me in state of acceptance, like both parties want.
Obama Wins.... I become a Tequila Alcoholic. Shooting for a complete state of oblivion.

...man it's time for a revolution....

[Rayneuki]

I personaly agree with Stuie. I say we all gather together and march onto washington and smoke them out!
Or just drink till we don't care any more.

I didn't even vote, I hate the choice and I wanted Ron Paul :[

[gaia.plateau]

It's cute that you actually think a third party candidate would be any different

[Stuie]

by definition a 3rd party president in a 2 party system is different...in fact never heard of...hahahahahaha

it's funny that would dismiss something you couldn't possibly know the outcome of.

[gaia.plateau]

by definition a 3rd party president in a 2 party system is different...in fact never heard of...hahahahahaha

So is a black president or a female vice president, but I don't see you waving the messiah flag for them.

it's funny that would dismiss something you couldn't possibly know the outcome of.

Since no one knows the outcome of anything, are you suggesting that we should assume all dismissals to be funny?

What I do know is how the neoliberal imperative works, and how profoundly and comprehensively it undermines and overrides the policies of our countries. Unless Ron Paul (a raving nut job that would put Ernst Stavro Blofeld to shame) is both omniscient in his understanding of the world and omnipotent in his ability to shape it to his will, he's going to be controlled by the same interests and implements as Obama, McCain, Bush, Kerry, etc.

Bottom line- McCain's culture of stupidity beat Ron Paul's culture of gullibility, but it makes absolutely no difference. Edited November 3, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[Stuie]

Since no one knows the outcome of anything, are you suggesting that we should assume all dismissals to be funny?

Glad you caught the joke.

[gaia.plateau]

Since no one knows the outcome of anything, are you suggesting that we should assume all dismissals to be funny?

Glad you caught the joke.

So on to the next topic... do you think that blue unicorns or pink unicorns are the prettiest?