The Nammor Hose

[TomBrone]

I bought a khalil mamoon hookah about a week ago. Had TONS of smoke, as expected, but I think I can do better. I got a standard khalil mamoon (inwashable, I think) hose with it, and I want to upgrade to a better hose. I know 1 place in Belgium sells nammor hoses, and it's a 2 hour drive by train. Is this worth it? Is the nammor hose better than the Khalil Mamoon standard hose? What is the diameter of the nammor?

Thanks,
Tom

[thecyrax]

I don't think you'll see any difference in smoke, as the KM hose is already a wide gauge.

[neffertiti]

I have one, and it does improve the volume of smoke, but from what i've heard the KM ultimate is about the same diameter and won't break nearly as quickly as the Nammor/Razan. overall, i wouldn't buy it if you allready have a KM hose. Edited November 4, 2008 by neffertiti

[shisha fan]

you`re probably better off with the KM hose that you already own. my nammor broke after two months and i had to glue it back together. khalil mamoon should make a washable hose as i`m sure lots of people would be willing to pay a few bucks extra for that convenience.

[Stuie]

I think the washable part is worth it. I smoke out of nammors all the time unless I am at my desk smoking.

[Hippo_Master]

Hah how a hose improves the "volume" of the smoke is completely beyond me. Hoses are a preference. If you like a slower draw, then get a thinner hose. If you want a faster, more open draw (the word "easy" sounds bias) then get a KM/Nammor/Razan.

It makes a difference in the pull, but not how much smoke you get. How much smoker you get is based on many ohter things, not including the gauge of the hose, pipe, hose port, etc.

Nammors are washable, and when people say they last a long time they are right in one regard, but wrong in another. The hose's insides will last a while because it's made of rubber. The hose itself, however, is glue togather with apparently very shitty glue, and they almost ALWAYS come apart when used regularly (or not used at all).

KM hoses will last longer then Nammors/Razans because they are built sturdier. They do get flavors stuck on the inside so they do need to be replaced, but less often then a broken nammor.

[Tom1]

Hah how a hose improves the "volume" of the smoke is completely beyond me. Hoses are a preference. If you like a slower draw, then get a thinner hose. If you want a faster, more open draw (the word "easy" sounds bias) then get a KM/Nammor/Razan.

It makes a difference in the pull, but not how much smoke you get. How much smoker you get is based on many ohter things, not including the gauge of the hose, pipe, hose port, etc.

Seriously?

I think you have no clue what you're talking about.

[inino]

the hose does affect the volume of smoke, and in my own experience the length of the bowl, the wider the gauge the easier you can pull, and bowl last longer. the harder you have to draw the smoke out, the more heat you draw out of the coals and the bowl burns faster.

[Hippo_Master]

the hose does affect the volume of smoke, and in my own experience the length of the bowl, the wider the gauge the easier you can pull, and bowl last longer. the harder you have to draw the smoke out, the more heat you draw out of the coals and the bowl burns faster.

How? My lungs don't get bigger when i buy a wider hose.

An experienced smoker could get a QT to smoke just as thick as a mediocre smoker with a KM and all the fixins, no problem.

And in that sentence, you just stated that the bowl lasts longer but burns faster. Which is it? Edited November 4, 2008 by Hippo_Master

[shisha fan]

Hah how a hose improves the "volume" of the smoke is completely beyond me. Hoses are a preference. If you like a slower draw, then get a thinner hose. If you want a faster, more open draw (the word "easy" sounds bias) then get a KM/Nammor/Razan.

it sort of acts like a smoke chamber. the wider the gauge (i`m not sure if thats the right word) of the hose, the more smoke it can contain. and it obviously helps if the hose port and stem are wide as well.

i can tell from experience that a wider hose definately makes a difference. especially when i switched from a mya to a nammor hose.

[inino]

ok, if you can get the smoke into your lungs faster then exhale it out it will be much thicker than inhaling for 45 seconds and by the time you exhale the smoke is only half the volume becuase of how long it sits in your lungs.

[Hippo_Master]

Hah how a hose improves the "volume" of the smoke is completely beyond me. Hoses are a preference. If you like a slower draw, then get a thinner hose. If you want a faster, more open draw (the word "easy" sounds bias) then get a KM/Nammor/Razan.

it sort of acts like a smoke chamber. the wider the gauge (i`m not sure if thats the right word) of the hose, the more smoke it can contain. and it obviously helps if hose port and stem are wide as well.

i can tell from experience that a wider hose definately makes a difference. especially when i switched from a mya to a nammor hose.

OK, there's a ton of smoke in that hookah, but that just means it fills your lungs up faster.

[Hippo_Master]

ok, if you can get the smoke into your lungs faster then exhale it out it will be much thicker than inhaling for 45 seconds and by the time you exhale the smoke is only half the volume becuase of how long it sits in your lungs.

And if the smoke stays in your mouth and nose?

[inino]

yes. the wider the gauge the longer the bowl will last. the thinner the gauge the bowl will burn faster.

[Hippo_Master]

yes. the wider the gauge the longer the bowl will last. the thinner the gauge the bowl will burn faster.

So if you pull more air through all at once, at a faster speed, the bowl burns slower? That's very contradictory.

[inino]

it gets your coals hotter for only a short draw. rather than a long hard draw that keeps your coals hot.

[Tom1]

Theres no need to argue this. Get a regular MYA hose and a Nammor/Razan/KM and try it yourself. If you get inverse effects, chances are you're doing it wrong.

[inino]

ya true i guess there is no point to argue, if you are getting the results you are after then you are doing it right.

[Hippo_Master]

it gets your coals hotter for only a short draw.

So a short, stronger draw makes the coals hotter for a shorter amount of time? Sure, but it gives them much more heat when more air is added and pulled by their surfaces. So the coals burn hotter and burn the tobacco faster, from the surface down.

rather than a long hard draw that keeps your coals hot.

But then a long hard draw burns the coals slower, so the tobacco is burnt slower over a longer period of time, leaving you with the same volume as a wide draw, only at a slower pace.

Smoke is absorbed by your lungs much slower then you say; you will in no way be able to notice the difference between a cloud that is immediately released from your lungs compared to one sitting in your lungs/nose/mouth for 5 extra seconds.

[Hippo_Master]

Alright, the guns are in their holsters.

Of course no offense, it was all friendly! Thank you guys.

The OP should most definitely try them both out though, of course.

[Canon]

Nammor isnt worth it, in theory it is. but they break on you, the glue falls apart. Ive never had a nammor last me more then 3 months.

[drabin]

Ok heres the difference imo
Nammor/Razan: washable! amazing pull! feels like its about to break!
KM hose: amazing pull! not Washable :-( If someone breaks into your house grab it and swing it at them cause its as heavy as a baseball batt

[Stuie]

Nammor isnt worth it, in theory it is. but they break on you, the glue falls apart. Ive never had a nammor last me more then 3 months.

Canon is jealous of mine. I take great care of my stuff. Oldest Nammor is almost a year old and no problems yet. Out of the 4 i have now only one has fallen apart and nothing a little super glue gel couldn't fix.

[FactorE]

My nammor still works fine and its been almost a year.. I think nammors are great cuz of its great draw and its washable.

[mattathayde]

dont have experience with the KM hose but with the nammor the only bottle neck i have in the hookah is packing of the bowl

i will say though that 2.5 months of using one 3-5 times a week for 2-4 hours each time one of the gromets came out because the glue broke down but its hot glue and a quick bead of hot glue and putting it back in fixes it. not perfect for a product but its not bad. i did how ever just break that hoses port side piece because i dropped it onto a concrete floor and it snapped where its lathed in. but i like the hoses a lot and am getting another to replace the broken one and just using my other nammor i have for when people come over

-matt Edited November 8, 2008 by mattathayde