New Study: 52.1% Of Californians Homophobic.

[melanko]

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/state/prop/8/

I'm not personally gay, but my wife has a lot of gay friends who I think are good people. I really think it is a shame.

[mdl]

It's obvious people care more about the animals they are eventually going to eat than the rights of humans they share the state with.

I'm a little disappointed with the way the Prop results turned out.

[Doubon]

A similar amendment passed in Florida.
now theres no such thing as domestic partnerships.

[Bulldog_916]

Some cant even adopt. Arkansas passed a law that said unmarried couples cannot adopt or have foster children. Shameful really.

California is usually a beacon for minority and human rights. Now I feel ashamed of my state. I dont mean to put blame on any group in particular, but the Catholic and Mormon Churches put a lot of money toward this proposition passing. And with increasing Catholic Latino populations, it doesnt really surprise me that it passed. I predicted 51 to 49, but it was 52 to 48. Sucks.

[indian_villager]

So a straight couple that doesn't get along can get married but not a homosexual couple that may have some true stuff. I'm no homosexual but I advocate the right to do whatever the hell makes you happy as long as you are not humping children or animals. And as long as its done behind closed doors.

[Bulldog_916]

Most young people feel like you do. But some just dont, due to their religious beliefs, moral beliefs, and some straight intolerance. So we go forward, we'll see how this pans out. With some luck and maybe some reasonable, non-religious thought, perhaps we can allow people who may not be like us some fundamental rights. I feel it's wishful thinking for right now though.

[dw914er]

im disappointed with the way prop 8 passed. People used thier religious beliefs to take away peoples rights.

I figure people can do anything reasonable as long as it doesn't affect me. I never saw how a homosexual couple somehow negatively affected me. Some people said they were protecting marriage, but their divorces say otherwise.

[Hippo_Master]

Ahh religion... of course.

This gay marriage thing is getting absolutely ridiculous. It was legal THIS YEAR!

So now you can legally "help" people commit "suicide", but you can't get a marriage license in order to adopt a child that no one is going to adopt except you anyway??

What is this world coming to? I hope that if you are a Californian, and this vote comes around again, you seriously re-think what you are doing to people's rights. Maybe some of them don't even want to get married, they just want to be able to have that option.

What is it doing to you to let homosexuals wed? Breaking the "sanctity" ? Keeping it from being "sacred"?

I advise you to have a nice talk with God and see what he thinks of your wonderful decision. Chances are your going straight to Satan's love-nest.

[Hookah_510]

I truly think 5-10% of the California population are truly homophobic. There are heterosexual people out there that aren't gay and want to give "equal rights" toward gay marriages. I know of many people who voted NO ON PROP 8 but were straight as an arrow.

One of my friends threw a BBQ at her place. One of her friends is a guy dressed and looks identical to a woman (obviously gay). A boy that is 2 years old comes up to 'him' and asks "are you a boy or girl??". The guy responds by "*laughs* of course I am a girl!". I think that little 2 y/o would be scar'd a bit from that. Edited November 8, 2008 by Hookah_510

[Hippo_Master]

I truly think 5-10% of the California population are truly homophobic. There are heterosexual people out there that aren't gay and want to give "equal rights" toward gay marriages. I know of many people who voted NO ON PROP 8 but were straight as an arrow.

One of my friends threw a BBQ at her place. One of her friends is a guy dressed and looks identical to a woman (obviously gay). A boy that is 2 years old comes up to 'him' and asks "are you a boy or girl??". The guy responds by "*laughs* of course I am a girl!". I think that little 2 y/o would be scar'd a bit from that.

Homosexuals aren't drag queens. Because of one gay man decides he want to be as feminine as possible.. if she saw David Bowie and asked the same question would you say the same thing? Probably not.

[NJE03]

I truly think 5-10% of the California population are truly homophobic. There are heterosexual people out there that aren't gay and want to give "equal rights" toward gay marriages. I know of many people who voted NO ON PROP 8 but were straight as an arrow.

One of my friends threw a BBQ at her place. One of her friends is a guy dressed and looks identical to a woman (obviously gay). A boy that is 2 years old comes up to 'him' and asks "are you a boy or girl??". The guy responds by "*laughs* of course I am a girl!". I think that little 2 y/o would be scar'd a bit from that.

I agree that t would be hard to explain something like that to a young child. My thought has always been that I can tolerate people being homosexual, but to embrace it by letting them be married? This is something that should not happen. It opens the door to any number of new arguments (marrying other species etc.)

If everyone were homosexual then the human race would die out. This is evidence enough for me that nature never intend for this to happen.

[mdl]

The whole "Oh, I'll have to explain this to my children" excuse is absolutely absurd. You have to explain sex to your children, war, racism, drugs, murder, religion, death, and numerous other topics that can be difficult for people. Grow a set of balls and be a true parent.

If everyone were homosexual the human race would die out, and if everyone killed themselves the human race would die out too, but the matter of the fact is that not everyone is homosexual and seeing 2 people of the same sex marry is not going to turn people homosexual.

[joytron]

I truly think 5-10% of the California population are truly homophobic. There are heterosexual people out there that aren't gay and want to give "equal rights" toward gay marriages. I know of many people who voted NO ON PROP 8 but were straight as an arrow.

One of my friends threw a BBQ at her place. One of her friends is a guy dressed and looks identical to a woman (obviously gay). A boy that is 2 years old comes up to 'him' and asks "are you a boy or girl??". The guy responds by "*laughs* of course I am a girl!". I think that little 2 y/o would be scar'd a bit from that.

I agree that t would be hard to explain something like that to a young child. My thought has always been that I can tolerate people being homosexual, but to embrace it by letting them be married? This is something that should not happen. It opens the door to any number of new arguments (marrying other species etc.)

If everyone were homosexual then the human race would die out. This is evidence enough for me that nature never intend for this to happen.

I can't help but laugh at an argument like this. What does two people getting married have to do with some lady marrying her cat. Does anyone seriously think Prop 8 is a gateway to interspecies marriage? As far as nature never intending it two happen there are plenty of animals who are gay. The list includes dolphins, cheetahs, elephants, buffalos, penguins, chickens, lizards, snakes, and a whole lot of fish. In fact there are even fish when there are to many males present will actually become female. Nature is stranger than we think!

I honestly believe anyone who voted no on prop 8 is discriminating against an entire group of people. I think that in twenty years marriage between two men or two women will be viewed the same way as our society views inter-racial marriage; as archaic and hateful. Just because something is not the norm does not make it wrong. The fact that in this day there is a group of americans fighthing for there rights is beyond me, who are you to decide what fundemental rights people should have. If the majority of people were gay and they voted for you to not be able to marry, seriously how would you feel. I would be pretty pissed that a group of people was deciding on something that had nothing to do with them. Americans values are not being destroyed by homosexuality but by ignorance and false desire. It saddens me that california is devided on an issue that should be a non issue. Americans should be treated equally regardless of race, religion, age, and sexual affiliation.

[Stuie]

I am confused...how does that make half of California Homophobes?

If I started a campaign to make the word "breakfast" mean any meal of the day, and 50% of the people voted against it would that make them all Anorexic?

sorry i find the title more outrageous...like you know why every person voted against it was thinking.

[jezter6]

Why must you be labeled "homophobe" if you support a gay marriage ban? Why suddenly are the other people the bad evil people because they don't want gay marriage?

Why must we be so PC? Why should everyone have rights above and beyond the Bill of Rights? If the population votes for something - that's how it is. It's how we have President-Elect Obama because that's what the voters wanted - not because it's more right than McCain being president (that's impossible to measure) - it's the will of the people.

Why would (or even should) the government make law that the people don't even want? Isn't the will of the people the PURPOSE of government?

<All playing devil's advocate here - I don't care if it's legal or otherwise, and I don't care if people are gay or not. Of all the things (economy, terrorism, etc) to worry about - this issue is just low on my list>

[VDDZ]

I feel marriage between two people should not be up to a governing body, but a church. If a community of the church or the "leader" of that place of worship see's it fit to marry two people, then it's between them and God, not a government, or you or me.

This Prop 8 made gays seem like a hated minority, as if they were blacks during slavery or Japanese during WWII. If this law passed, and a church would not marry a gay couple because they did not see it fit, would they have legal recourse to force the church? Would the government forced, or even be able, to tell a church who to marry? Then what? Would being gay become part of equal opportunity? An employer must hire X many gays? They gay scholarships and gay pride month? That just what we need, another fanatic group that deserves recongnition

[TheScotsman]

It's not discrimination... after all, according to the law, homosexuals can't marry the same sex... and neither can hetrosexuals.


The funny part is that this "anti discrimination" law was shot down be the black voters. Look at the numbers, it wasn't the hispanics, but the blacks that voted against homosexual marriage by the greatest margin. Maybe it'st just that a group that has been the victim of discrimination, and knows what it is, realizes homosexuality is not a minority, race, religion, but is a choice. Choices are not entitled to anti discrimination law protection. What's next? anti discrimination laws for bank robbers?

Passing laws protecting gay actions as a minority is an insult to all minorities that have suffered atrocities throughout history. THe gay-activists are trying to pervert the definition of defamation to fit their needs.

Makes me glad to be a long way away from the land of fruits & nuts.

[gaia.plateau]

homosexuality is not a minority, race, religion, but is a choice. Choices are not entitled to anti discrimination law protection. What's next? anti discrimination laws for bank robbers?

I presume you also dispute the existence of evolution, gravity, and the spherical nature of the earth?

http://www.slate.com/id/2194232/
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5005961,00.html
http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm

Even the vast majority of skeptics who deny the genetic inevitability of homosexuality accept that it must at least be socialized, and therefore determined, and therefore not a choice.

http://www.narth.com/docs/hom101.html
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/Ch12.pdf
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/20...-by-choice.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/080307Abbott_NARTH_article.pdf
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html

Whether it's genetic or environmental, you're not going to come across an objective scientist or scholar that agrees with your phobic perception that gender/sexual orientation is something we choose. Edited November 11, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[Hippo_Master]

It's not discrimination... after all, according to the law, homosexuals can't marry the same sex... and neither can hetrosexuals.


The funny part is that this "anti discrimination" law was shot down be the black voters. Look at the numbers, it wasn't the hispanics, but the blacks that voted against homosexual marriage by the greatest margin. Maybe it'st just that a group that has been the victim of discrimination, and knows what it is, realizes homosexuality is not a minority, race, religion, but is a choice. Choices are not entitled to anti discrimination law protection. What's next? anti discrimination laws for bank robbers?

Passing laws protecting gay actions as a minority is an insult to all minorities that have suffered atrocities throughout history. THe gay-activists are trying to pervert the definition of defamation to fit their needs.

Makes me glad to be a long way away from the land of fruits & nuts.

This is just going to be challenged again and gay marriage will become legal once more.

Did homosexuals getting married really piss over half of California off? Or did some voters choose "yes" because they feel the homosexuals get things handed to them too easily? Are you saying that Black People in California are homophobic? If you consider the amount of people, race aside, listen to Rap Music in California (which is probably upwards of 80%) then there's no doubt that the race who spurred the creation of Rap is mostly homophobic. Is this a fair argument? Probably not but you know I make a damn good point.

Marriage shouldn't be up to a Church at all. The Church doesn't give us a right to marry, the Constitution does. The Church is a terrible judge of right or wrong marriage, the verses in the Bible make them automatically Homophobic; God tells them it's pure evil.

Bank Robbers choose to be bank robbers, and your proven ignorance involving Homosexuality is disturbing. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a member of the Westboro Baptists. Edited November 11, 2008 by Hippo_Master

[GeorgieHC]

Interesting, my friend said he would rather vote on an amendment that made civil unions the exact same in every way, including tax returns, military and insurance benefits. I told him that, that sounds really familiar... kinda like Separate but Equal! He argued that marriage is a religion institution, so I said "great keep it out of Government Policy!".. Sorry

[Hookah_510]

I truly think 5-10% of the California population are truly homophobic. There are heterosexual people out there that aren't gay and want to give "equal rights" toward gay marriages. I know of many people who voted NO ON PROP 8 but were straight as an arrow.

One of my friends threw a BBQ at her place. One of her friends is a guy dressed and looks identical to a woman (obviously gay). A boy that is 2 years old comes up to 'him' and asks "are you a boy or girl??". The guy responds by "*laughs* of course I am a girl!". I think that little 2 y/o would be scar'd a bit from that.

Homosexuals aren't drag queens. Because of one gay man decides he want to be as feminine as possible.. if she saw David Bowie and asked the same question would you say the same thing? Probably not.

San Francisco has MANY drag queens. SF holds Pride events that show so. There is a dedicated bar/restaurant/nightclub titled "ASIA SF" that have drag queens working there.

[NUBBS]

The whole "Oh, I'll have to explain this to my children" excuse is absolutely absurd. You have to explain sex to your children, war, racism, drugs, murder, religion, death, and numerous other topics that can be difficult for people. Grow a set of balls and be a true parent.

If everyone were homosexual the human race would die out, and if everyone killed themselves the human race would die out too, but the matter of the fact is that not everyone is homosexual and seeing 2 people of the same sex marry is not going to turn people homosexual.

What about the others out there? I know a guy who had a vasectamy(sp) when he was 18 because he doesnt want kids or anything to do with them. Pretty messed up huh?

Another argument: Ive gone through public school in California had to deal with overcrowded class rooms. And thats just SoCal; I think the world is overpopulated and doomed as it is. Think about how much we as a society consume everyday. So I say why not let a couple that is loving and devoted have their happiness?

And another argument: Im in no way religous and do NOT like religion at all, but who did Jesus hang out with? Gypsies, thieves, and prostitutes. And Im sure he would vote NO on 8.

Plus I have very close gay friends who were engaged after Prop 22 was passed and now they have been denied.

I voted NO!!!

[dw914er]

ok

one:

I feel marriage between two people should not be up to a governing body, but a church. If a community of the church or the "leader" of that place of worship see's it fit to marry two people, then it's between them and God, not a government, or you or me.

tell that to my parents. About 20 years, and they were married in the courthouse, with the ceremony at a victorian mansion in our home of Redlands. Neither one of them are religious. Marriage is not really religious, or it shouldn't be. . It is a commitment to each others love and devotion to each other. This goes beyond any religious arguments (I tend to see the religious nuts as the most hypocritical of all, but thats another story). BTW, laws based on ones religious beliefs are discriminating. I am, for one, not religious.


OK, next point, is the CHOICE TO BE GAY. How ignorant are you, really? Do you really think people choose for the discrimination, the alienation, from others. Talk to someone who is actually gay, they didn't choose to be. Thats just the way they are, and if you can't accept someone for who they are, then you have issues.


now, for the marriage between animals and people. Animals cannot, in anyway, legally consent to marriage, or any other law abiding contract. My dog does not file and sign taxes. My cat does not vote. There is no way they can agree into marriage with a person. Two human beings should both have the right to a legal document, ect, and its absurd to think that gay marriage, now the donkey show is going to happen.

not trying offend, but thats how I see it Edited November 12, 2008 by dw914er

[TheScotsman]

homosexuality is not a minority, race, religion, but is a choice. Choices are not entitled to anti discrimination law protection. What's next? anti discrimination laws for bank robbers?

I presume you also dispute the existence of evolution, gravity, and the spherical nature of the earth?

http://www.slate.com/id/2194232/
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5005961,00.html
http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm

Even the vast majority of skeptics who deny the genetic inevitability of homosexuality accept that it must at least be socialized, and therefore determined, and therefore not a choice.

http://www.narth.com/docs/hom101.html
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/Ch12.pdf
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/20...-by-choice.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/080307Abbott_NARTH_article.pdf
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html

Whether it's genetic or environmental, you're not going to come across an objective scientist or scholar that agrees with your phobic perception that gender/sexual orientation is something we choose.

I'll believe that BS the day I see a black man choose to, and turn white, or an American Indian turn Asian. Those are true minorities, and truly have been shafted through history. Yet we see homosexuals suddenly decide to be straight. Hmmm.

You sound like another gay apologist looking for an excuse. Tell you what, head on over to Iran and tell them.
Obviously they choose to act as they do, and accept, as a consequence of those actions, the resulting reactions.

If it were a result of genetics, one would expect to find the same ratio of gays to straight people native to San Franfreako as they would find in, say Salt Lake City, Boise, or Tehran. That is just not the case.

If it's not nature, but nurture, then they are not a minority in any way more than anyone else with a jacked-up childhood. Edited November 12, 2008 by TheScotsman

[Bulldog_916]

homosexuality is not a minority, race, religion, but is a choice. Choices are not entitled to anti discrimination law protection. What's next? anti discrimination laws for bank robbers?

I presume you also dispute the existence of evolution, gravity, and the spherical nature of the earth?

http://www.slate.com/id/2194232/
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5005961,00.html
http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm

Even the vast majority of skeptics who deny the genetic inevitability of homosexuality accept that it must at least be socialized, and therefore determined, and therefore not a choice.

http://www.narth.com/docs/hom101.html
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/Ch12.pdf
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/20...-by-choice.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/080307Abbott_NARTH_article.pdf
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html

Whether it's genetic or environmental, you're not going to come across an objective scientist or scholar that agrees with your phobic perception that gender/sexual orientation is something we choose.

I'll believe that BS the day I see a black man choose to, and turn white, or an American Indian turn Asian. Those are true minorities, and truly have been shafted through history. Yet we see homosexuals suddenly decide to be straight. Hmmm.

You sound like another gay apologist looking for an excuse. Tell you what, head on over to Iran and tell them.
Obviously they choose to act as they do, and accept, as a consequence of those actions, the resulting reactions.

If it were a result of genetics, one would expect to find the same ratio of gays to straight people native to San Franfreako as they would find in, say Salt Lake City, Boise, or Tehran. That is just not the case.

If it's not nature, but nurture, then they are not a minority in any way more than anyone else with a jacked-up childhood.

Iranians arent gay because the second they chose to come out, they would be shot. So they suck it up and fuck a woman. I'm completely sure in SLC, Boise, and Baghdad, there are more gays than anyone thinks. In those locations though, it's so unheard of that one can literally be excommunicated from the family if it was found that they were gay. And that's the NICE punishment. I think penis removal would probably be a common punishment too in very conservative countries. Would you come out to the world at the risk of weiner chop? I doubt that you would.

You would have to be an idiot to think that it's a choice.