logan91 Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 havent found anything on this subject, after smoking i usually get a single painful canker sore, but actually more of what i would describe as a "pimple" (no white head) somewhere along one side of my tongue that brushes up against my teeth and hurt! anyway just wondering if i was alone with this and if you guys do anything to make it heal faster, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzing Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 damn, i've never had anything like that specifically related to smoking hookah. uhh... you can get oragel to put on them to make the soreness go away... other than that, i really have no idea what to tell you. maybe go brush your tongue and teeth thoroughly when you're done smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LB] Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 dude- disinfect your hose! you prob have herpes on it! just burn the inside of the mouth with a lighter (if its metal) and the outside. Hold up the flame to it for a while so it completely disinfects, and make sure you get that little part on the insideif its wood get some lysol, or scrubbing bubbles or some powerful alcohol to disinfect it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Actually, I get that sometimes, too and I have my own personal hose. I believe it may be a swelling caused by nicotine that may be aggravated by accidently biting it while asleep. I believe that is what grows into mouth cancers, if they don;t go away. Some of mine last for a week. Get medical advice if it lasts longer than a week or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookahDuck Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 wow... I assumed that you may have gotten herpes or another similar type of STD from passing the hose.Interesting Tangiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 LB: you may want to read up on things like herpes if you think cleaning your hose will keep you from having an outbreak once you already HAVE it. It's a virus that once it's in your system. Its there. Period. Not exposing yourself to it again will NOT keep you from having another outbreak. As for the original question I'm with Tangiers. I've gotten those on occasion. I think its just your tongue being irritated by the smoke or something in it. Perhaps a pissed off/infected taste bud? Found this: [url="http://rdoc.org.uk/"]http://rdoc.org.uk/ http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...://rdoc.org.uk/[/url]://http://rdoc.org.uk/ 14023773://http://www.findarticles.com/p/artic..._1 14023773 That help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Damn guys, you all need to relax a bit and not scare the crap out of logan so much.I've had this happen before with cigarettes, I was smoking too much and got what seemed to be canker sores on the inside of my mouth, sometimes under my tongue and sometimes on the inside of my cheek. I'm not saying that they are normal, but these things happen, things work in mysterious ways and don't always mean you have herpes or mouth cancer etc, relax on that.Canker sores can't be passed from person to person because they are not caused by a virus or bacteria. HOWEVER, if a canker sore is open and subjected to bacteria it can get infected. I had a canker sore in my mouth for approximately 1 month and it was annoying the sh*t out of me and I got a little worried. I quit smoking and watched what I put in my mouth for a few weeks, improved my oral hygiene and rinsed my mouth out a few times a day with salt water. Problem solved.If I were you, I'd lay off anything that shouldn't be in your mouth for a while as best as you can. Chances are this will have a chance to heal, but it won't if you keep contributing to an open sore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 PK: hate to be a downer. But ignoring a possible symptom of medical problem because it's not pleasant to think about can be self correcting.[img]http://hookahforum.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif[/img] These "things happen" generally for a REASON and the only mystery is for those who ignore the medical information available. Smoking is bad for you in more ways than simply lung cancer and prentending the bumps and sores in your mouth are nothing will have no effect on what they might actually BE. Sorry man...my wife's cousin ignored a bump between his shoulder blades for a few years because it was "nothing". Guess where I was 2 Saturdays ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txbrit31 Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 It sounds like it could be a simple ulcer under the buds or an inflamed bud. Sometimes, but not always, indiciative of stomach problems. Usually I get them if I've been stressed, eating the wrong things, or something else.. You might want to note if it happens with a certain brand/flavour of tobacco. Though I concur- if it lasts for more than 2 weeks i'd seek professoinal med. advice. As a musician I tend to get these quite a bit (damned poor food i've been eating) so I feel your pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Mush I never said to ignore, I was simply lightening the mood that others have set for Logan and gave him some personal experience I've had with this. It could very well be something, and then again it may not. The first step is to try to correct the problem by keeping away from anything that may irritate it. And yes, things usually do happen for a reason, something has caused whatever is in his mouth but who's to say what. He could have an allergic reaction to a food, again that's what I mean by mysterious. We're all smokers in this forum and I would only hope we all understand that it's not necessarily a healthy habbit, but for Logan's sake it doesn't help to freak him out with what to me seems like some stupid comments, I don't know maybe it's just the way they were said. Again, I'm with you it's not something to joke about.All I'm saying is that if he takes precautionary measures here going forward for a few weeks and the problem still exists, yeah definately take it seriously, however t doesn't seem like he has as of yet. That should be Logan's priority. If he's smoking on an open wound it's not going to heal, I can say that much. If it doesn't get better on it's own after this, go see an ENT.And sorry to hear about your wife's cousin, that's unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PipeSmokeMcGee Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 When my friend bought a hookah and we started smoking it, I mentioned that I had a toothache. It was all of my teeth, just a slight ache all the time for a couple days. He said he had experienced the same thing, so we figured it had to be due to the hookah. We "abstained" for about a week, and I haven't had any trouble since. Anybody else experienced this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookahCaterpillar Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Ive had canker sores but never from the hookah. They are caused from highly acidic and spicey foods. The hookah can irritate a canker sore but I dont think its from the actual hookah unless someones got herpes that your smoking with (just kidding of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlakos_politakos Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 i sometimes get them too.but strangely enough not IN my mouth.its usually on the coners of my top lip.wierd..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Well there are formally "cold sores" which are most commonly caused by the Herpes Simplex 1 virus. Canker sores are an inflammation in the mouth that are sometimes caused by the Herpes virus. What the sore is/was is unclear, but I have seen outbreaks of cold sores (which would have to be a viral transmission) in hookah lounges. I have gotten them before and I noticed that they seemed to have a white "head" to them and that they did go away. It would also make sense that cigarettes smokers might get them. I believe one of the symptoms of mouth/tongue cancer is a sore that doesn't go away, which would fall into the category we are talking about.I'm sorry to report...if you smoke hookah you may get cancer...although, just because you get something that is a precursor of cancer doesn't mean you will get cancer and just because you never get one doesn't mean you won't just come down with cancer one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LB] Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 [quote name='mushrat']LB: you may want to read up on things like herpes if you think cleaning your hose will keep you from having an outbreak once you already HAVE it. It's a virus that once it's in your system. Its there. Period. Not exposing yourself to it again will NOT keep you from having another outbreak. As for the original question I'm with Tangiers. I've gotten those on occasion. I think its just your tongue being irritated by the smoke or something in it. Perhaps a pissed off/infected taste bud? Found this: [url="http://rdoc.org.uk/"]http://rdoc.org.uk/ http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...://rdoc.org.uk/[/url]://http://rdoc.org.uk/ 14023773://http://www.findarticles.com/p/artic..._1 14023773 That help?[/quote]canker sores are a form of herpes yes, but if you have any slight cuts or orifices in your moth they are a great place for bacteria coming off your hose to have a party. Keeping your hose sanitary should be a priority anyway!and once you have herpes by the way ITS IN YOUR GENES so youll have it as long as you live. just to let you know, its a weird kind of thing, most bacteria or whatever it is (maybe virus? doubt it) dont really bind with your dna but herpes doesand it comes out when your stressed especially! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 [quote name='[lebanese_blonde']] [quote name='mushrat']LB: you may want to read up on things like herpes if you think cleaning your hose will keep you from having an outbreak once you already HAVE it. It's a virus that once it's in your system. Its there. Period. Not exposing yourself to it again will NOT keep you from having another outbreak. As for the original question I'm with Tangiers. I've gotten those on occasion. I think its just your tongue being irritated by the smoke or something in it. Perhaps a pissed off/infected taste bud? Found this: [url="http://rdoc.org.uk/"]http://rdoc.org.uk/ http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...://rdoc.org.uk/[/url]://http://rdoc.org.uk/ 14023773://http://www.findarticles.com/p/artic..._1 14023773That help?[/quote]canker sores are a form of herpes yes, but if you have any slight cuts or orifices in your moth they are a great place for bacteria coming off your hose to have a party. Keeping your hose sanitary should be a priority anyway!and once you have herpes by the way ITS IN YOUR GENES so youll have it as long as you live. just to let you know, its a weird kind of thing, most bacteria or whatever it is (maybe virus?doubt it) dont really bind with your dna but herpes doesand it comes out when your stressed especially![/quote]All right, I'm gonna have to call bullsh*t, here. Herpes is a virus, its not in your genes! Outbreaks can be communicated between people that have dormant cases. My ex-girlfriend had type 1 genital herpes and I used to go to support group with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzT Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Almost all the information here is bogus. Canker soars are ulcers. Commonly known as aphthous ulcers. They are not from herpes. I can personally confirm this because I have had blood work done and do not have any form of herpes. I have suffered from them since I was 5 years old. I often get them when I am stressed. They are caused by aggrevation or damage to the lining of your mouth. But more often they are caused by stress. It is beleived to be an immune system respons. Basically the immune system is attacking your mouth. They also tend to run in the family. [url="http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/canker-sore/DS00354"] canker soars1 canker soars2 canker soars3[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpico Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 You all are a riot. If this young man, Logan91, is so worried he should just call his doctor up.I'm such a jerk. I know.-Heather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LB] Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 no tang im serious it gets imbedded in your genes, im not even joking i kinda forget who i heard it from (biology teacher?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 LB: That is, by definition of DNA and genes, Impossible. Genetic material doesn't change with new stimulii/ experiences by the "owner".Zzzzt: Yes, technically that is true, but some people call oral outbreaks of cold sores "canker sores" incorrectly, medically what you say is true, but in general usage, people often misapply the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buford Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I get the things all the time, but not from smoking shisha. I usually just call them ulcers. My upper canine teeth are naturally long and very sharp (I have been said to have vampire-looking teeth by several people), and I end up biting the inside of my bottom lip all the time. It's so common that I barely notice (or care about) the sores, even if I'm eating spicy food. It doesn't help, though, that once I bite myself and it starts to swell a little that I end up chomping on the same spot multiple times during the life of the ulcer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 thought i'd pop in and see whats happening in this tread... The corner of the mouth sores can also be a vitamin deficiency i think... (just to wind this sucker up a bit more...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moojuice Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 "Herpes is a virus, its not in your genes!" That's how Virus's work. The cool thing about them is that they're more like machines than life forms. A Virus is just a capsul of DNA that floats around. When it finds the right kind of cell, the capsule attaches and injects it's DNA contents into it. It changes the DNA of the cell so that instead of doing what it normally does, it causes it's inner machinery to build more capsules of DNA (The Virus) to the point that the cell bursts. The new little machines go out and do the exact same things to the other cells. Bacteria usually can replicate on it's own. The only way a Virus can make copies of it'self is by manipulating the DNA of a host cell so that it manufactures more of it. It doesnt have any life supporting functions other than that. There are still debates over if a Virus is even alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Not no more, I think the debate are the old guys going, yeah but it cant reproduce! It neither excretes nor secretes, man! Yeah, the virus hijacks a cell, when the virus replicates uncontrollably, the cell explodes, destroying the new genetic info.. When the body's immune system takes over, all foreign bodies are destroyed, thats what the immune system does. Any infected genetic material is destroyed. Lupus is where the body is too anxious and attacks healthy cells and destroys them. So, in conclusion, the virus rewriting your DNA is a temporary measure, when your body gets control of the situation, it destroys any remnants of the virus in the DNA of your cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzing Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 i think it may be an easy concept to misunderstand, however, because with AIDS for example the immune system shuts down, therefore the virus has free reign.. this is not the case for most virii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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