shesha1 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I have a friend who knows someone that works for AF. They are fully aware that the grape is messed up. A few years ago they changed the grape, to go with a much more cheaper version.They have made so much money off of it, that there is no insentive to improve it. We all keep buying it. The flovor is so bad by their own admission, that they mixed a new mint with it to mask the terrible taste we have been experiencing. Hence the grape mint flavor. They know grape is jacked up, but they will never do anything as long as it remains the #1 seller. That is a fact. mint grape, and lemon grape, are pretty cool flavors by the way. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shesha1 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (shesha1 @ Nov 18 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a friend who knows someone that works for AF. They are fully aware that the grape is messed up. A few years ago they changed the grape, to go with a much more cheaper version.They have made so much money off of it, that there is no insentive to improve it. We all keep buying it. The flovor is so bad by their own admission, that they mixed a new mint with it to mask the terrible taste we have been experiencing. Hence the grape mint flavor. They know grape is jacked up, but they will never do anything as long as it remains the #1 seller. That is a fact. mint grape, and lemon grape, are pretty cool flavors by the way. IMHO.Im sorry I ment Lemon Mint. I think these new flavors are pretty tasty, and better than the stand alone versions without the mint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 that turns me from buying AF ever again...I thought the stuff was alright, but sales techniques like that are pathetic IMHOnot saying I wont smoke it if offered, but I wont purchase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabin Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (shesha1 @ Nov 18 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (shesha1 @ Nov 18 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a friend who knows someone that works for AF. They are fully aware that the grape is messed up. A few years ago they changed the grape, to go with a much more cheaper version.They have made so much money off of it, that there is no insentive to improve it. We all keep buying it. The flovor is so bad by their own admission, that they mixed a new mint with it to mask the terrible taste we have been experiencing. Hence the grape mint flavor. They know grape is jacked up, but they will never do anything as long as it remains the #1 seller. That is a fact. mint grape, and lemon grape, are pretty cool flavors by the way. IMHO.Im sorry I ment Lemon Mint. I think these new flavors are pretty tasty, and better than the stand alone versions without the mint.I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing grape is the number one seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slingham Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I think the Grape is pretty good. The smell is really the only downside for me, especially smoking indoors. But you get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shesha1 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (drabin @ Nov 18 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (shesha1 @ Nov 18 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (shesha1 @ Nov 18 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a friend who knows someone that works for AF. They are fully aware that the grape is messed up. A few years ago they changed the grape, to go with a much more cheaper version.They have made so much money off of it, that there is no insentive to improve it. We all keep buying it. The flovor is so bad by their own admission, that they mixed a new mint with it to mask the terrible taste we have been experiencing. Hence the grape mint flavor. They know grape is jacked up, but they will never do anything as long as it remains the #1 seller. That is a fact. mint grape, and lemon grape, are pretty cool flavors by the way. IMHO.Im sorry I ment Lemon Mint. I think these new flavors are pretty tasty, and better than the stand alone versions without the mint.I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing grape is the number one seller.Yeah, he said that world wide, Grape is still number one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigor Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Maybe I had a batch bad, maybe I didn't, but I did not enjoy the AF Grape I had at all. I really liked the sweetness of SB White Grape however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shesha1 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (rigor @ Nov 18 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Maybe I had a batch bad, maybe I didn't, but I did not enjoy the AF Grape I had at all. I really liked the sweetness of SB White Grape however.Hey you know the royal grape from starbuzz is pretty good man try that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaia.plateau Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Their. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo_Master Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (gaia.plateau @ Nov 18 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Their.I was just gonna say something about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygone Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) But I love my ketchup grape. Why is everybody bitching about it, there's nothing wrong with it, it's all in your head.-QM Edited November 18, 2008 by QuiltedMaple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 It may smell funny but I think it tastes just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 My guess is they would have dumped the black currant flavor component. Black currant is fantastically expensive. They probably added more grape flavor to try and compensate for that lack of silky currant flavor. Hey, wait...I just had an idea for a new Tangiers flavor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 silky currant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygone Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (Stuie @ Nov 18 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>silky currant?For some reason that made me laugh.Does sound appealing though.-QM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKammenzind Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (gaia.plateau @ Nov 18 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Their.That was my thought exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Black currant has a silky, but unstable kind of flavor, it has three distinct component plateaus but it a marvelously rich flavor, its texture is silky. A regular flavor might be $10/Lb, Mint and Kashmir are $40/Lb. Black Currant is about $130/Lb. They might have even removed one of the really expensive components of the black currant and left the rest in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 or the person he talked to was full of shit.And i can understand grae being the most popular. Most of the folks I get from the middle east smoke grape and love the flavour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (Sonthert @ Nov 18 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Black Currant is about $130/Lb.Christ Almighty that's expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hojo Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (mushrat @ Nov 18 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>or the person he talked to was full of shit.I was thinking the same thing. This guy has no source or anything, it's just a "friend of a friend" testimony. I doubt the credibility of this claim, and I don't think we should go after AF with our pitchforks because of this random thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_HOSSEIX Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 whether it is true or not, i am on my third 250 gram batch of AF grape with production dates between july and august of 2008 and they smell and taste just like the old AF grape. I guess ive been lucky so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shesha1 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 Ok I will go back into the depths of non-posting. I just wanted to share something with you guys that I found out, But as usual just like my very first post; nice reaction. Cool I didn't post it to garner attention, I was trying to bring something to your attention.PS. Their My thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaia.plateau Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 They're. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 ...why do you guys have to shits getting old, really...why does everyone have to jump to personal attacks when someone makes a mistake. There are a lot of ESL people on here. Show some respect.[edit] also: if you dont have anything useful to contribute, then dont at all and skip along to the next thread that peaks your interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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