Mumbai Terrorist Attack

[indian_villager]

So if any of you managed to get away from a hookah long enough to catch the news there has been a terrorist attack on the city of Mumbai India.....my Birthplace and home of seven years. The scrubs even managed to attack two or so hospitals. The last I heard they were holding hostages in a few hotels and sorting through them for those with passports from the USA or the UK. This is a sad day for India and almost as bad a day for those that follow Islam. For they will unfortunately be blamed for the acts of a few who misinterpreted the Quaran. My heart goes out to my fallen countrymen.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/mumbai-te...7491668222.html

[Kathrynx]

My great aunt and uncle live there. They are pretty well off, so I hope that they can contact us soon and make sure that they are safe.

Monosh and Toposh are their names, if anyone see's them on the news let me know!

[gaia.plateau]

A tragic incident...

Though in reading the article my first feeling was disgust that two Australians being injured was given priority over hundreds of Indians being killed.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/200...7195677350.html

[indian_villager]

The terrorists were going through the hostages to find the ones with British or American Passports.

[Bulldog_916]

I just hope that no one we know or their families were injured or killed in this tragedy. My heart goes out to the residents of Mumbai, I hope this madness ends soon. Fucking terrorist assholes. Sooner they are caught and killed, the better.

[indian_villager]

I just hope that no one we know or their families were injured or killed in this tragedy. My heart goes out to the residents of Mumbai, I hope this madness ends soon. Fucking terrorist assholes. Sooner they are caught, interrogated, and killed, the better.

Fixed!.....you have to aim the missiles somewhere.

[uzzy_00]

God bless and give courage to those who lost there loved ones or are injured..

[gaia.plateau]

Sooner they are caught and killed, the better.

But that won't do anything about the systemic problems that just about everyone on this forum is at least partly responsible for, arising from historical violence and socioeconomic exploitations that gave way to the indoctrinations and inclinations that-

Oh sorry, are we still being blindly emotional and barbarically retributive?


Regarding the snideness: I just sat through three extremely uncomfortable hours of whiny pussies crying about genocide. I needed to vent. Sry brah.

[Bulldog_916]

Sooner they are caught and killed, the better.

But that won't do anything about the systemic problems that just about everyone on this forum is at least partly responsible for, arising from historical violence and socioeconomic exploitations that gave way to the indoctrinations and inclinations that-

Oh sorry, are we still being blindly emotional and barbarically retributive?


Regarding the snideness: I just sat through three extremely uncomfortable hours of whiny pussies crying about genocide. I needed to vent. Sry brah.

There are always going to be more. That's something that peace and love just cant help. We could pour money into Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, the UAE, settle everything between the Jews and Palistinians, everything and still, there would be reasons why they do what they do. We arent Islamic enough, whatever. It doesnt matter. It's always going to be a battle.

[gaia.plateau]

Under current global circumstances, yes. These circumstances are that we still live in a Great Powers system, characterized and defined by realpolitik, and these powers benefit (geopolitically and economically) from the cultures of violence that cause the problems we're talking about here. When parents and teachers in states of conflict teach children that violence is a solution, over decades and centuries, the animosity that indoctrinates and leads individuals and groups to commit what we consider to be atrocities is engendered, constructed, and cultivated.

Any situation that we consider to be "horrible", or whatever you like, whether it be the civil conflict in Darfur, the Congo, or Burma, the Rwandan genocide, radical Islamic-influenced terrorism, the rebellions and wars in the Middle East, are entirely solvable. Like John McCain said, Iraq will take 100 years to "fix", because it takes generations to reverse these cultures of violence. But as long as there are powerful states systemically controlling the world and directing the trajectories of societies to meet their own ends, this will continue.

World peace is entirely possible, but there are currently tremendous systematic obstacles that will probably persist as long as the international order is determined by a state system. We as individuals living in Western society, as I alluded to, participate in the perpetuation of this system by our democratic election of parties that contribute to the problem instead of the solution, by our mass consumerism, and more than anything else by our apathy and delusions that turn these problems into distractions at best. Edited November 27, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[momatik]

Sooner they are caught and killed, the better.

But that won't do anything about the systemic problems that just about everyone on this forum is at least partly responsible for, arising from historical violence and socioeconomic exploitations that gave way to the indoctrinations and inclinations that-

Oh sorry, are we still being blindly emotional and barbarically retributive?


Regarding the snideness: I just sat through three extremely uncomfortable hours of whiny pussies crying about genocide. I needed to vent. Sry brah.

There are always going to be more. That's something that peace and love just cant help. We could pour money into Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, the UAE, settle everything between the Jews and Palistinians, everything and still, there would be reasons why they do what they do. We arent Islamic enough, whatever. It doesnt matter. It's always going to be a battle.

I strongly disagree.

It's the opinion of many experts as well as ex CIA operatives that terrorism has arisen due to 2 basic reasons:
-Americas multiple military bases all over the world, but most importantly the Middle East
-Americas stance on the Israel Palestine issue.

And I agree with them, because sure they may not appreciate the American way of life, but that is not enough motivation to conduct so much violence.

And I know you may think that I'm assuming that these are rational people, but I think we have to assume that they are rational considering:
-How much money and power they have
-Their ability to conduct such terrorist attacks such as on 9/11

[Bulldog_916]

Sooner they are caught and killed, the better.

But that won't do anything about the systemic problems that just about everyone on this forum is at least partly responsible for, arising from historical violence and socioeconomic exploitations that gave way to the indoctrinations and inclinations that-

Oh sorry, are we still being blindly emotional and barbarically retributive?


Regarding the snideness: I just sat through three extremely uncomfortable hours of whiny pussies crying about genocide. I needed to vent. Sry brah.

There are always going to be more. That's something that peace and love just cant help. We could pour money into Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, the UAE, settle everything between the Jews and Palistinians, everything and still, there would be reasons why they do what they do. We arent Islamic enough, whatever. It doesnt matter. It's always going to be a battle.

I strongly disagree.

It's the opinion of many experts as well as ex CIA operatives that terrorism has arisen due to 2 basic reasons:
-Americas multiple military bases all over the world, but most importantly the Middle East
-Americas stance on the Israel Palestine issue.

And I agree with them, because sure they may not appreciate the American way of life, but that is not enough motivation to conduct so much violence.

And I know you may think that I'm assuming that these are rational people, but I think we have to assume that they are rational considering:
-How much money and power they have
-Their ability to conduct such terrorist attacks such as on 9/11

That's the thing, we really cant pull our military out of every country. The job is done. They'll be pissed until 4 generations from now IF we pulled out our military this year. Still, that leaves 150 years of pissed off Muslims we have to worry about. So, either way, we're going to stoke fundamentalist disdain. May as well do our best to help the "good guys" win, whoever the good guys are this war.

We cant assume these people are rational. They send 14 year olds out to blow themselves up. They send women out to do the same. Kim Jong Il has tons of money (even though it doesnt show for his people) and power and has the ability to conduct military actions in South Korea and we know damn well he's a freaking whack job.

[gaia.plateau]

That's the thing, we really cant pull our military out of every country. The job is done. They'll be pissed until 4 generations from now IF we pulled out our military this year. Still, that leaves 150 years of pissed off Muslims we have to worry about.

Most ICC scholars/experts say 2. So like 80 years, maybe a century for good measure. But you're doing no good by being in their countries unilaterally. There needs to be a multilateral, UN-mandated, non-violent peace building force. Peace making = bullshit and counterproductive, peace building = actually potentially helpful. I am so motherfucking drunk right now.

So, either way, we're going to stoke fundamentalist disdain. May as well do our best to help the "good guys" win, whoever the good guys are this war.

There's no such thing as good guys or bad guys. There's powerful countries like the US, Russia, China, etc. that actively seek violence and instability in the Middle East in a geopolitical zero-sum power game, and there's the unstable Middle Eastern states whose most militant and radical populations react violently.

All we can do is wait for everything to fall down, and then try to form gangs in the barren, nuclear desert to raid gasoline and bitches from other gangs. I'm so motherfucking drunk right now. Best night ever.

[Pilgrim]

Let's not forget that countless more muslim people have died because of muslim terrorism than non-muslim people. We tend to forget that with our western view on the world.

[indian_villager]

Nothing should justify the violence of this level. If any of the holy texts are read they all frown upon this kind of thing.....So I always wonder...What are these people fighting for?

[LycanLovesthePipe]

A tragic incident...

Though in reading the article my first feeling was disgust that two Australians being injured was given priority over hundreds of Indians being killed.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/200...7195677350.html

I know how you feel. Here in New Zealand all they keep saying in the news is "we are hoping no Kiwis are hurt" and barely anything on the actual deaths happening.

[gothookahs.com]

Prays go out to the friends and families of the individuals involved.

[noca$h]

I cant help but to note that the security officers (I think, theyre wearing blue helmets, im not sure) are still using Lee Enfield No.4's.

[indian_villager]

My uncle works at the bank near the Oberoi but he was luckily home that day!